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Let's make one thing absolutely clear:
We are discussing the idea that Invuln "underperforms" with NO support, NO IOs, against an AV, without using US.
"Normally" AV fights are exactly where you would use US. So ask the question, does Invuln "underperform" in AV fights when using Unstoppable, and I believe the answer is Clearly "No". -
Quote:Originally Posted by Heraclea
The reflex scrapper isn't going to get enough resistance from the sonic defender to make a difference.
That is a really big overstatement. Giving an SR any kind of buff BESIDES Defense is very effective. -
Quote:Ok, so you say you don't get hurt enough to need Dull Pain more, but you complain about foes who can hurt you too much. You complain about effects that hit you, but you don't have your full Defense yet.Originally Posted by Ultimo_
Some good points, but ones I've actually heard before. I slotted Dull Pain for heals and not recharge because I actually rarely have need for it, and the slots seemed more useful elsewhere.
Hand Clap is what I use for Taunting (oddly enough). I slotted it for Disorient as I generally found that more useful. I do enjoy it, though, as it's one of the few powers that actually seems super strong. As I say, I'd thought about swapping things around as Tough Hide seems too useful to wait for, but then, I'd miss something else. Still tinkering...
Endurance issues are my biggest issue. Unless Conserve Power is running, I'm generally out of endurance in no time flat. In fact, at this moment, I have some of my attacks triple slotted for endurance (temporarily, the build above represents the goal build...). I'm looking forward to Physical Perfection.
Delaying Resist Elements seems aesthetically displeasing to me, somehow... heh. I'll tinker some more and see what you think of the result, but the reality is that the character really doesn't suffer much except against foes that have other effects that rely on hitting him or unusually hard hitting foes (or endurance drainers).
If you insist on building your toon for concept then don't complain that he's not optimal. -
Quote:Yes, that's Also true.Originally Posted by Ultimo_
The way I took his meaning is that I'm perceiving a problem where there is none, which is entirely possible.
What one shots your tank short of an AV?Quote:can you see Thor being oneshotted by ANY villain (short of the celestial-types).
Your tank, even as currently built, can last at Least 3 minutes against almost anything by using Unstoppable.Quote:Comic tanks go toe to to with the big guns and generally last a good long time. While that does happen in CoH, there are times that we get chewed up almost instantly, and that makes us (well, ME anyway) question the game.
Against an enemy that uses mainly smashing/lethal damage he should be able to go for quite a while without US.
I agree with New Dawn that you need Recharge slotting in Dull Pain and that Tough Hide earlier would be wise.
Maybe more Recharge in Unstoppable too. -
Quote:I don't think that's actually what he meant.Originally Posted by Ultimo_
I think you mean to say that it's my perception that's the issue. If so, I think I agree. Many points have been made that I hadn't considered.
I think he meant that YOUR tank has these issues and HIS does not. -
I think you might enjoy Fire/Dark.
That's pretty much the ultimate combo of ranged/buff/debuff/control/heal. -
Emperor Cole there looks a lot like Freddie...an angry Freddie.
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I think you'll find that the Weaken and Sweep combos both go very nicely with Energy Aura, as does the AS Demoralize effect.
And of course you'll be very pretty. -
Quote:Originally Posted by Twisted Toon
I did that with my Warshade. I picked it at level 50 because it was the only power left that I didn't want the least. Also, I did not pick up any Pool Powers. That's right. A Warshade without Stamina. He's so gimp. That's why he's the secondary, to an Ice/Axe, tank for the team he usually runs with.
Bring on the neg rep for not taking Stamina....or Nova...
Warshades don't need Stamina...they get Stygian Circle and Eclipse... -
Quote:As if we needed another reason why the Rep system should be removed.Originally Posted by DocArcus
I love how even the Rednames are calling rep "nothing more than a forum game."
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Just to be clear:
Voltaic Sentinel has the potential to do about 10 times Charged Bolts damage for less than 10 times the end cost, and an animation much less than 10 times the length.
That makes it very good overall DPS if you summon it at the right times (when there's something there to attack). -
Quote:No.Originally Posted by Nem74
"Does anyone else feel like this game has gravitated towards suck?"
No. This has never been, isn't, and never will be true.Quote:if you don't invest at Wentworths or the Black Market, you're toon is going to be sub par at best.
The game still rocks. Getting teams isn't any harder than it ever has been, you're just having bad luck/timing lately.
Try getting into a good SG/Coalition so that you don't have to rely on PuGs for teaming. -
The use of DPS to mean Damage per second over the period of the power's casting plus it's recharge, rather than what it means in most games which is how much Damage an attack does in one second of casting time.
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Quote:Originally Posted by LostHalo
It's a nerfherd, pay it no heed.
As for the summary of arguments:
"RAGH! Stone makes me slow! RAGH! It sucks! RAGH! Make everything play the exact same! RAGH! Curbs trap me, hurr, even though it's blatant hyberbole! RAGH!"
"RAGH! Stone is fine! RAGH! It doesn't suck! RAGH! The slow is easy to counter! RAGH!"
Overhaul whichever. They're both good. Invuln isn't particularly hard to soft-cap but it does take a fair number of Kinetic Combat and since people finally stopped slotting like braindead goldfish, it's gotten amusingly expensive. And unlike purples, it's less likely to drop a significant amount in price with sanctioned farming methods. That said, take advantage of things like 3 pieces of Cleaving Blow + 3 pieces of Eradication for +4.38% en/neg defense. If you hunt for those condensed bonuses like that, it'll take no time to figure out a strong build.
It is not a nerfherd at all.
In the i16 test threads there was discussion of the possibility of altering Stone Armor so that Granite does not turn off all your other powers, does not completely obscure your costume, and to make the set less reliant on Granite overall. Castle commented that he was looking at it, that's all, he didn't indicate anything about what he was thinking of doing. -
Trick out the Invuln. Stone Armor is not as much fun to play and is probably going to be changed a lot in the coming year.
I wouldn't invest anything into a Stone Armor character at this time. Wait until we see what Castle comes up with to change the set. -
Read the bit up in the corner attached to the icon labelled "Defiance".
That will explain the phenomenon you are noticing. -
Quote:The downside of a nuke still would make it so that it's not ALWAYS desirable. You're talking about an AT with multiple sets that get mez protection, sets with mez resistance, sets with ally mez protection, and sets with huge tohit debuffs and powerful soft and hard controls. There are so many ways already for Defenders to avoid mezzes, and then of course there are break frees.Originally Posted by Dr_English
What I am saying is that it would present them with a situation in which it would almost always be desirable to nuke. Mez would be like a license to nuke. Better to nuke than sit there and do nothing! I'm more interested in getting people to click on the nuke than I am in finding ways out of mez, but I do think it would be fun to explode your way out of mez.
It may not be a perfect or incredible idea that addresses any major concerns for defenders or anyone else for that matter, but I do think it would be fun and bring a little more attention and some small utility to defender nukes. Of course I have no expectation of anyone magically implementing this, but it is fun to speculate about what could be possible and useful.
Allowing them to nuke while mezzed would of course encourage them to nuke more! It would encourage them to nuke when mezzed. Nuking when mezzed versus nuking never or only on random whim is more nuking.
If I can hit a Break Free and then do EVERYTHING I can normally do, why would getting mezzed encourage me to nuke?
Just making them usable while mezzed does not make them attractive to use when mezzed. The reason people don't use them is because of the crash, 100%.
What's better a Break Free that costs you all your end, so you're unmezzed but can't do anything.....or a Break Free?
The only way to make nukes more attractive is to remove the crash. Frankly, there are already plenty of ways around that: end mod buffs, +end buffs, -end cost buffs, and CaBs.
You really want to see Defs nuke more? Make a team that's all (or mostly) Defs. -
Quote:Psychic Shockwave is STILL one of the best AoEs Doms have.Originally Posted by Negate
I have one but I just got to 38...shockwave seems dissapointing...I know this is post nerf but does it get better with shockwave? I was looking at the mids for numbers for shockwave...and it didn't look so hot.
In fact it's the best DPS PBAoE for Doms, and is only outclassed in DPS among all Dom AoEs by Fling Thorns.
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Quote:What I am saying is that the reason defenders often don't use nukes has nothing to do with being mezzed. Therefore allowing them to use it while mezzed will not encourage them to nuke more.Originally Posted by Dr_English
I believe I specified that I do indeed take, use, and enjoy my defender nukes. I have played every defender primary to a significant level and can appreciate what the nuke adds. I am in no way saying they are lacking or bad. I am saying that I am disappointed to see many defenders either skip or not use their nukes, and this makes me sad. Perhaps something small like this would prompt them to use the power more often. I'm not saying this is true of my good defender friends, but of the majority I run into while pugging. The suggestion is a fairly minor modification and would not have a huge impact on how I use my defender nukes, but it would be useful and might possibly get some previously unblasty defenders to pay more attention to that bomb in their pocket.
Maybe instead of ignoring their nuke, at the very least when mezzed they might say "Hey, may as well nuke!"
As to the list of primaries that are more compatible with nukes, it's true that some defenders risk less by popping the bomb. If you are mezzed your toggles are already dropped though, and you aren't actively contributing with clicky powers either. Nuke your way out of that mez! Now there is a situation in which it would be desirable for any primary to nuke! Sure you have no end when it's over, but you've accomplished something useful where you would otherwise have been standing there mezzed for as long as the crash recovery lasts anyhow. -
I think that you should try playing a defender with a debuff primary and then come back and tell us again how bad defender nukes are.
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Quote:Originally Posted by The_Coming_Storm
Why can't I say SF as a general term for SF/TF, but you haughty, stuck-up hero players get to say TF for both.
Because we were here first. :P
Also, I don't really know anyone who doesn't play both sides. -
Quote:a quibble:Originally Posted by Frosticus
While this is true it runs counter to the BS we were fed about why ice melee and ice armor were removed from brutes.
Off topic, but you still build fury while hibernating and I think that was reason enough to remove the combo as that is highly gameable (specially considering hibernate was not subject to nophase back then and could recharge in 40 or so seconds.
It wasn't exactly BS. The Devs and many testers did in fact think that slows were a problem for fury generation.
They were Wrong, but that doesn't mean that it was intentionally misleading, which seemed to be what you were suggesting. -
Gravity is worse than Ice.
I thought everyone knew that. -
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the secondary effect of Radiation is -Def, same as blades and bullets. -
Quote:Originally Posted by BlackBellatrix
Or how about this:
You're showing off to your friends, weilding your badass flaming sword of amazingness and suddenly you come up against the Winter Horde. Great! Your sword will melt them like butter while your friend with his hammer of lightning takes out the robots. Except you both just do sub-par damage and that is where it affects concept.
Except you're crazy. Broadsword was very good, and then got Buffed in the weapons passes, and now you call it 'sub par'. Why SHOULD the set that gets Parry also do damage as good as the set with nothing but DoTs???