War_Admiral

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I'm not predicting anything until I see more info on the difficulty system. It's possible there will be some penalty or drawback associated with it.

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I dont think it will matter if there is a drawback.

There's SO many farmers out there and SO many wanna-be farmers, its just pretty safe to assume most will leave AE and return to PI.

And why would there be a penalty involved in the first place? You're 1 person fighting 8 man spawns. So because I'm able to accomplish that, I'm going to be penalized? Makes no sense. I've invested billions into various builds so I dont have to rely on others.

But I can totally see the cries for such a drawback from those here who can't.

Infact, the crying has already started. To even mention the idea is crying because if you could do it solo, you wouldnt be throwing out idea to strangle such an AWESOME feature.

Then again....when those whiners are able to buy the purples they seek for an affordable price, they'll have people like myself to thank.

heh thanks

If anyone else needs something done in the future, I would be more than willing to create something for the event. All I ask is that I'm given around a week or so to get it done.

That gives me 4-5 days to be a slacker, 1-2 days to tinker with ideas and 1 day to get it done.

lol

You going to use this build to farm?

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showflat....=6#Post13521141

Thats my Fire/Kin/Fire build (top of page 2)

Some general things I notice....

1) Slot char up.
2) Touch of the Nictus set works wonders in transfusion
3) Put the healing procs in health (Miracle and Numina)
4) Speed boost only needs 1 end mod in it to be effective.

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That's why I think specific builds would be the best solution. It seems like it would be the best way to get around this new timer.

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There is no efficent way to get around the timer.

PVP IO Arena farming was nerfed so hard that I personally believe most people won't even bother anymore.

And that's a shame. There's great items to be had, but the Devs really made them almost impossible to aquire.

Count me in!

I want to make out with Positron

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So what do you think prices will be at once we can set the missions for 8 people even solo? More people farming. I am thinking some might actually leave the AE to go back to regular critter farms.

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Prices will drop no question.

I know I'll be back in PI and I'm positive a lot of my farming buddies will be too.

Purples will be flooding the market before long...assuming they dont lower the drop rate even more than it appears they have since i14.

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I'm against farming and PL'ing in the MA/AE.
As it has been stated repeatedly, the DEVs are against it as well - and clearly stated that MA/AE was not to be used as a farming or power leveling tool - and - that players that did so would be punished for doing so.

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Care to rethink your position in light of this:

Players can now fine-tune their difficulty levels by telling the game exactly how they want to be treated. They can choose to be regarded as a specific size team (even if they are soloing), and even have control over the level they are detected to be when it comes to the dynamic spawn system. So if you ever wanted to see if your Scrapper could take on a map that is populated for an 8 person team, four levels higher than your own, now you can!

The devs seem to have given the farming population exactly what they want: More farming!

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This is actually pretty sick....

Now this could be the one thing that gets farmers out of the AE. Since I've held my onto my demon farm all this time, I'll now be able to go back into PI and farm that mission as if there were 7 others on the team?

So sick....

From one farmer to the Devs....I thank you.

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You can hate farmers all you want. You can hate what WE'VE done to the game all you want, and you can scream from the top of a mountain about how much its ruined the game.

In the end, myself and others will farm anything and everything we can to get the rewards we're after. And there's nothing you or the Devs can do about it.

That is...unless they put timers on every single mission in the game...which we know they wont do.

EOM.

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Doesnt seem like to me they're very much interested in limiting the farming in AE either.

2 patches in a week really hasnt done much, eh?

I think they might have axed the mito farms (which is fine by me, I thought they were kinda lame to begin with), but other than that, what have they done to limit it at all?

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I'm against farming and PL'ing in the MA/AE.
As it has been stated repeatedly, the DEVs are against it as well - and clearly stated that MA/AE was not to be used as a farming or power leveling tool - and - that players that did so would be punished for doing so.

Those that continue to abuse the system are the problem.
They take it upon themselves as a right to abuse the system. It is a right that they do not have.
They have harmed the game in many ways. The abuse of the MA/AE is the tip of the iceberg of problems that their abuse cause throughout the game.
<ul type="square">[*]As you have noted they are causing extra server down time. This is directly related to the DEVs working to disable farming and PL'ing in the MA/AE.[*]They are also ruining the new player experience; something that they could remedy simply by moving their farms to the higher level zones. They refuse to do this. It is not their right to ruin new player experience.[*] They are having a horrible effect on the Markets. Inflation is out of hand. This is due to multiple things.[*] They are drawing a different type of character to the game. Ones that apparently don't care what genre the game is as long as they can abuse it. These individuals are of a low moral persuasion if they are only here to abuse the game. Do you think that these players have any moral obligation not to purchase inf from the RMT'rs?[*] They have created a horde of inexperienced players that do not know the game, think they know the game, and think they know how to play their characters. I have heard tell about level 50's that don't know where a trainer is.[*] There are players playing epic archetypes as their second character and maybe even on their second day.[*] ..etc.[/list]
None of these things are good things.
The thing that you pointed out is just the most direct effect that is so completely obvious that it can't be missed at the server log in screen.

I think that...
"not being able to log in because fixes are being installed to stop farming and power-leveling"
.... is the smallest of my worries regarding the rampant farming and power-leveling in the MA/Ae.

In fact, that helps ease my worries a bit.

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You remind me of a local woman you might have heard about years ago on the news...her name is Cindy Sheehan.

She's the lady who camped outside of Bush's Texas ranch in hopes her "Anti-War" movement would make a difference. In the end, all she managed to do was get arrested a few times.

You can hate farmers all you want. You can hate what WE'VE done to the game all you want, and you can scream from the top of a mountain about how much its ruined the game.

In the end, myself and others will farm anything and everything we can to get the rewards we're after. And there's nothing you or the Devs can do about it.

That is...unless they put timers on every single mission in the game...which we know they wont do.

EOM.

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So you have 0 global accuracy?

If you ask me, you gimped your build in an effort to soft-cap something that's really not important for a well played fire/kin.

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you're saying yours can solo farm 52 bosses?

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Come to Champion and see for yourself.

And bring that build with you. Cause I want to see him solo bosses....period. We can start with 50s and work our way up.

So you have 0 global accuracy?

If you ask me, you gimped your build in an effort to soft-cap something that's really not important for a well played fire/kin.

I use to farm the wall all the time using my Fire/Kin but since i14, it seems the drop rate has really gone down. I've spent hours upon hours farming w/o a single purple drop where-as before i14, I could get at least 1 if not multiples over the same time-frame.

If you have 2 accounts and can run 2 fire/kins on the wall, its REALLY easy. Set the one kin on follow with auto cages and the lines won't move.

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A little birdie tells me that a flier for this will be up shortly

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I hope so! I spent 10 minutes doing it when I could have been getting farmed in RV.

War Admirals Bio....

"Beware the pale horse, for the rider is Death! And Hell is coming with him."

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Doctored Wounds does the job, and grants the last 5% recharge bonus as well.

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haha....okie

I guess you rather have 3 other crap bonuses in order to get that 5% rech than having 4 really good bonuses that TotN offers plus having the power reliable against anyone you face.

Not to mention, if you use TotN set instead, you can save a slot to use elsewhere....since you rarely use the power anyways. Seems a waste to have it 6 slotted eh?

Doc wounds in transfusion is terrible. Use Touch of the Nictus instead.

I would argue Fire/Kins still are at the top of the heap (as far as controllers are concerned) for farming no matter what you're trying to kill. I personally farm 54 bosses with ease as long as I have a tank that's able to keep aggro to some extent.

52 bosses I can farm w/o a tank.

Better than Zombies I say....

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How Does Your Hero Exhibit Honor Before Glory: Dude PLs me like mad. MAD, I SAY.

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rofl....

Winner!

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No one PLs better than Web.

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Teh Gambinos!

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How Does Your Hero Exhibit Honor Before Glory: Dude PLs me like mad. MAD, I SAY.

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rofl....

Winner!

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Then those of you trying to take this to another level better be ready to step before a ethics review board to state your case. Otherwise, its your word against again...a ""internationally-recognized scholar".

Good luck with that!

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internationally recognized scholar? Did they put that in the article seriouslyor did you call him that? I wonder what makes you that. I've had abstracts in international meetings as well as the major one for my field. Does that make me an internationally known scholar? Or do i actually need a PhD for that?


Here is my whole thing with it usually science is peer reviewed and that is what alot of these critiques are, perr reviews.

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I took that from his bio on the schools webpage....

http://css.loyno.edu/masscomm/facult.../david-m-myers

If you would like to argue his status, there's a email address and direct phone number on the page. You might also contact the dean of the department and ask him the critera for becoming internationally recognized.

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Debating the merits of this study is ok. Personally attacking the professor is a violation of the Message Forum Rules and Guideline. As I said in the general thread, let's be the bigger people in this situation.

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Ding!

Sorry to anyone who I've offended, but I live my life without any concern of how others perceive me or think of me. If I obsessed on what others thought about me, I would never leave my house.

If some parent or wife were to disallow their kids or husband to play this game solely based on 1 persons experience, then I feel sorry for not only them, but the people who can't experience the game for themselves. I hope to think most people arnt so short-sighted and shallow.

If anything, this is an issue for the Devs or NCSoft to pursue, not one for the players. In the end, its their game to protect and if they require the player-base to do their job, then they arnt paying attention to whats going on.

I'm sure there have been many other reviews, experiments, data collections on players behavior in games such as these and without doubt, the player base most likely has taken exception to any negative data that was concluded.

But after its all said and done, the games keep coming each year. Any one of us could have done the exact same experiment this guy did, but he's only a target due to "job" and social standing...which I'm sure he prepared to defend.

Some of you are worried about the games image and that's understandable. But really, how many people other than gamers are going to read this guys work? Probably not many and those who do, might or might not care what conclusions this one person has drawn from his own experience.

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Then those of you trying to take this to another level better be ready to step before a ethics review board to state your case. Otherwise, its your word against again...a ""internationally-recognized scholar".

Good luck with that!

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You're trying too hard, mang

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I'm afraid I'm not the one trying too hard around here.