TwoHeadedBoy

Way to be an adult Bill.

Yes you absolutely want to purple out Fire/Mental in order to perma DP for less slots. Trying to perma DP without purples is going to lead to spending way more slots on rech than would otherwise be necessary- And those are slots that you could be spending building M/R/A defense to 32.5%. The Scorpion/Ice Shields are great defense toggles, but you can build all the defense you need with set bonuses and refocus your Patron pick on Mu mastery in order to layer your perma DP with not only a small purple from the softcap to all positions, but strong S/L/E resists also- Mu Mastery also gives you a tAOE immob in order to help prevent scatter, which an AOE heavy Fire/Ment Blaster will inevitably suffer from otherwise.

Yeah, I might argue with people who have different build philosophies than me but the only thing I ever object to is blatant laziness.

I think someone like Bill is in a terrible position to say anything bad about me- He routinely advocates a completely lazy and uninspired build philosophy, offering up "The game is balanced around SO's" as a justification.

On the other hand, I've routinely helped people get the most out of their Kheld builds whether I shared their build philosophy or not. This is really case/point since I've contributed the most viable build for level 50 play on SO's only thus far in this thread. But I've also helped players min/max their Kheldian builds, and have been doing so for quite a while now. I have spent hours upon hours of time helping to look over other players builds, improve upon them, and in many cases, ultimately make them new ones. Out of MY free time, just to help the community. Feel free to scroll down for a while on the Kheld board if you don't believe me, but all I've ever seen Bill do is complain and whine and gripe about how the game should be balanced around SO's and the IO system is so bad. News flash: Just because you're too lazy to use the IO system doesn't mean it's going anywhere. The only reason that Dev's still pander to that philosophy is that they still want your money. Reality check.

You might be referencing my arguing with people like AIB or Dechs as my having a bias towards anyone "not playing exactly how I play." Let me just point out that AIB is one of my best friends in COH. I also used to talk to Dechs on almost a daily basis and we were pretty close for a while. I've played with them both pretty extensively. I consider them both great players, I just don't agree with how they build their characters at all times, and they feel the same way about me with mine.

We've routinely had heated discussions on the Kheld boards where yes, I have advocated for the superiority of my build philosophy. It's all in good fun though- I think people absolutely have the right to disagree with me, and I've witnessed some of the best players in the Kheldian community perform admirably on builds that I wouldn't personally advocate.

While I prefer my own build stratagems and I do my best to make a strong case for them, I also don't ever discount anyone's contributions to the community or capabilities with their preferred build methods as long as their approach is viable and impressive.

Bill, you are none of the above. All I've ever seen you do on the Kheldian forums is completely disregard any and all conventional build wisdom. You advocate a build philosophy that has long been extinct and long been irrelevant in the modern game. You might hate me for it, but I'm just the messenger. The game has changed and you have been left behind. Your ideas do not deserve to be taken seriously.

I don't ignore you on the forums because I'm not a pouty brat. If you were legitimately uninterested in interacting with me, you might want to start by keeping my name out of your mouth. If you're not mature enough to refrain from mentioning or addressing me while I'm on your ignore list though, I would just ask that someone else quote this post (preferably in context) so you can see exactly what I said. Fair is fair.

Key phrase: "Most likely." You know a few people who would disagree that the majority of current players with access to Peacebringers also have access to the IO system? Or you know a few people who happen to be exceptions to a general and still accurate statement?

Ah, thank you for the lesson in strict forum etiquette. I would be oh so lost without your words of wisdom. I know it is of paramount importance that people on the internet behave in ways that you deem appropriate at all times. I'm not sure what I was thinking by breaking the rules you've constructed. Luckily, this isn't near as important to me as it is for you. I respect your right to preach, if that's what you enjoy doing, so please carry on. I'm sorry you don't think I'm funny. Honestly, so far, I think you're a bore.
And what exactly is difficult or challenging about slotting SO's and HO's that requires assistance and rigorous study...?
I don't like dealing with people who don't like dealing with that part of the game. You know, the end game in particular is a challenging team effort. My Peacebringer is one of my favorite characters- I spent quite a bit on him, and he still doesn't perform up to a very high standard compared to other AT's. The Archetype is inherently gimpy by comparison, and I can't in good conscience encourage people to Play Peacebringers on anything less than at least MODERATE budgets. I don't want to see people encouraged to spend nothing at all on their PB's only to end up having to play with those people at some point in the future, all because mediocrity was encouraged.

I don't know. About as many as I felt like. Does that sound about right to you?

The market is so incredibly easy to use and things that were once hard to get are now so accessible, you could spent 5-10 minutes a day working towards a mid-ranged build and finish it in a month or less.

As one example, SSA 1 episodes 1 and 2 take like, 15 minutes max. If you're a confirmed villain or hero and you've never done them before you can run one of them twice and another once for a total of 3 alignment merits in one day. You can spend 2 of those merits on LOTG 7.5% recharges if you want, or spend all 3 on converters and easily make a significant amount of profit for a very minimal amount of effort.

And yes, I think human only is the best way to approach a build without IO's; It will ultimately be more durable than a SO'd Dwarf form can be at level 50 because of the almost 20% defense to everything that I worked in between pool toggles and combat flight. It also retains strong global resistance even outside of light form. The AOE won't be as good as Nova, but the ST is pretty strong considering the slotting restrictions and it still has *decent* AOE ability; I don't believe that having no defense whatsoever is worth the tradeoff of slightly more AOE. I'll never get behind that sort of build philosophy.

I guess building COH characters in the least effective possible way is of utmost importance to you and absolutely not a joking matter, so sure- I guess I might as well bite.

Keep in mind that in my opinion once you have a basic understanding of how slotting works in this game, it's nowhere near difficult to properly slot SO's into any given AT- The real work will come down to learning how the AT/powerset in question functions. Once you have a basic grasp on how Peacebringers and properly slotting powers works though, there's really no 'right' or 'wrong' approach, and certainly no be all, end all approach as you seem to be espousing.

All that being said, here is how I would build a SO'd Peacebringer if I had to. Keeping in mind that anyone with access to Kheldians most likely also has access to the IO system, so once again, this is ultimately all an exercise in futility.

I'm assuming hami-o's are ok to use since they're accessible by f2p accounts.

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I opted out of Solar Flare since I'm assuming the OF -KB isn't allowed for this exercise and that power does more harm than good without it. Same deal with Photon Seekers. I included the nuke for i24.

Stone is the only person who gets me. I swear.

Trying to lecture me about something? :|

I can agree to disagree with some of the facets of Dechs' build philosophies and still respect him. His work on the tri form Warshade mentality is freaking fantastic, and he's also an intelligent person and a good friend. I (sometimes passionately) disagree with him about things, maybe even routinely, but that doesn't change any of the above.

I guess you think that I should apply that same philosophy to everyone I interact with, and that's what you're getting at here.

First of all, I think respect should be earned, not given.

Second, entertainment takes precedence over everything else. In this thread for example, I made a perfectly harmless libertarian joke, and the "BE WELL!" guy got his panties in a bunch. That lead to Memphis Bill jumping on the "I Hate THB" bandwagon, once again, all because of a harmless joke... And Bill posted JUST to say that he doesn't read my posts. If anyone has been vindictive here, *points to Bill.*

That's ok though, because I really don't care. Everything I post on these forums, and everything I do in game, serves the primary purpose of entertaining me. Everything else is incidental. If you think that I've talked myself up to be more than I am, well then that sucks for you.

I really don't care what you think of me. I do know that I've gone out of my way to help other players though, and I plan on continuing to do so. If you don't find my opinions or advice to be satisfactory, feel free to ignore them. There are quite a few folks here who can and have testified to my advice aiding their in game experience though, especially on the Kheld board.

Things like this are so awesome to read. I love when people give Dechs kudos for the MFing Warshade; It's the single most inspiring guide in COH history IMO, even if I don't agree with all of the build philosophies it espouses.

I'll jump on any chance I can get to give Dechs yet another /e high five for writing that guide, but I'd also like direct this poster towards Alien One's Human Only Warshade Guide while he's here. Alien made some nice updates within the last couple of issues, and I'll be releasing my 'companion guide' of sorts around i24, for strictly end game purposes.

Maybe when Bill starts spending more than 10 inf on his characters I'll start losing some sleep over his opinions. Just kidding. No I won't.

It's funny because the Blackhawks are an expansion team! /snicker

Quiet you. The Rangers are the ultimate team! Best goaltending in the NHL, strong defensive minded play and as of this summer, probably the best scorer in the NHL with a strong defensive mind to boot.

*Backhands you with golden hand*

Quiet Hodor!

Woah... Has anyone ever told you that you're an artistic genius before?

Ahh, ok! So a more reliable title for this would have been, say, 'Copper Standard' Peacebringer, as you seem to be focusing on intentionally suboptimal build strategems. Perhaps if these threads are titled appropriately in the future with more relevant metaphors you won't run into this sort of embarrassing mix up again.