Stalk_obot_EU

I think its bugged, longbows actually start fighting while arachnos stand on outskirts of battle, only way to get them into battle is to lure longbow to them

just think of it like this

Hide = 1 stealth power
Steath = 1 stealth power

1 stealth power can be countered by 1 +perception power for example a hero with tactics can see a stalker with just hide. However a hero with just tactics cannot see a stalker with hide + stealth as they stack and augment each other. Having the 2 stealth powers means a hero needs 2 +perception powers and there are some builds that you can attain this with, SR, DA and Devices as far as I remember, if they have tactics and their other +perception power running they can see through hide and stealth.

Also an empath using clear mind on heroes lights up stalkers like christmas trees.

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Fact of the matter is, we're even thinking about going to Union simply because there's more PvP (though we think you guys that DO PvP > Them).

So, as Night said, anyone want to come get some?

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we should set up a defiant pvp sg on union

I was just watching and also buffed the lot of you with my nuke

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Although overall, EA sucks summat awful TBH. I've taken down EA Brutes as easy as I have Blasters, so I can only imagine Stalkers will be worse.

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Entropy sheild rocks big time, fantastic resistance to controller effects. As for taking out my stalker, I dont think many find it very easy

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Since it is easy to make a char that can kill stalkers and never be killed by them even stalkers are no problem

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And this is a problem - you need a special build for PvP. People trying it out get beaten and lose the taste for it. A build that works for PvP ought to work for PvP and vice-versa, at least reasonably so. But right now it doesn't. Not at all.

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I think its attitude not build or stalkers that gets people into and out of pvp. If i see someone I dont know in sirens I will probably kill them a couple of times and then start a chat with them, often telling them how to turn on villain chat (why this is disabled by default is insanity imo) I offer advice against myself and others as many are unsure of what even their current build is capable of in PVP. A lot of empaths who havnt been in the zones dont know CM lights up stalkers like christmas trees.

Its funny but you really dont mind getting killed by people who are nice and friendly to you nearly as much as anyone else.

as much as I like stabbing singh Im afraid stalk isnt much without his 2 travel powers and stealth

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Landing a hit and a stun thus detoggling. I now have the placate problem. It will de-stun her and I suspect she wont stand around waiting for AS.

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Huh? placate cancels stun? I didnt know that. That'd be the first power able to do so..

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Thats probably a bug and should be reported, fear also inadvertantly gives a player disorient resistance. I have been told via petition that this is a known bug

hover can be good with TP I guess

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I wont name the latest ones like Krunch and Tanaka or Smirk,Northi but Hackitoff,Stalk-obot,Gimpman are names that when they played across the zones it was always an awsome laugh and a lot of effort no matter if heroes died or villains died. With excellent gaming sessions and good laughs.

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Remember when gimpman was sneaking in and killing us in our own gank box of death lol

I dislike trash talk, it can be funny and add to the experience for those who you know but new pvpers and others can take things the wrong way and sour their experiences.

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well tell you what mate we will agree to disagree on this one, everyone is entitled to their own opinions but i know for a fact i am a good player and have my whole sg to vouch for me.

im sure if we had a scrap in pvp we would have a laugh cos ya know the game is about fun at the end of the day. People moaning at stalkers every 5 mins via broadcast doesnt make it fun.

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You Vs TG wouldnt be a great deal of fun in your current sets at least not if you like to win his toons are quite......annoying to say the least, the only reason my self gimped stalker exists was due to his troller humiliating me in BB

still.... I always ahve the memory of one shotting him through hurricane on a inspiration fueled rampage

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is this specifically aimed at one person or general comments to all brutes?

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This is a general truth to all toggle relying AT's. A brute is a blasters paradise for toggle dropping and for storm controllers.With a stormie i can toggle drop you in 2 or maybe one go all your toggles with 2 clouds up and clap.But i dont have the damage to perform the kill.A blaster packs all the damage necessary to perform the kill plus to toggle drop you and hold you easily.Thats why toggle dropping is an issue right now at pvp and will be toned down.Because the brutes at 1vs1 with a blaster are wiped.Feel free to ask imaginary about it or any good pvp blaster out there.You got toggles they are gonna drop and then is like sitting naked in the cornfield.

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and it takes an age to get them all back on again...... on the current status quo I wouldnt pvp with any brute but granite

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Dont stalkers get quite a lot of mez protection? Not disagreeing with you, just that I hear a few stalkers boasting a lot about how holding them is a waste of time. Plus I dont know of any way a controller can get stacked perception without multiple tactics.

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The only stalker with non problematic mez protection is the ninjitsu set and the SR set in terms of toggle dropping.
Stack a hold on a stalker and use toggledrop and u ll see what insta held means.Furthermore the good old combo fear+hold+toggledrop works wonders to fleeing stalkers.Any stalker boasting about mez protection well they havent played against well organised pvp teams. As far as i am concerned the only set that has some bragging rights to this is the ninjitsu set that resists fear techniques and it takes 4-5 stacked holds to actually break the mez protection.The rest are easy to hold in well organised teams.


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I think the EA entropy sheild is as good as any of the anti-mez toggles and can be broken with 3 decent holds, i should imagine that the others are the same. That said I am very rarely held regardless of well organised teams (run away ftw )

As TG says blasters are a nightmare for brutes to the extent where I deleted my lvl 33 inv brute because he was owned so often it got depressing and no it wasnt down to a gimp build (different story on my granite though) A half decent /EM blaster can lay the smackdown on virtually all brutes.

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3)Which AT regardless of primary/secondary uses the same attack cycle in pvp and is common for everyone?

Stalker
(BU,AS,Placate,Attack)


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nope

if only i could be bothered to lvl my troller....

i can bring my emp if u need him tho

never use hover (ever) but often AS flying heroes with fly, the -acc in fly seems minimal

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CM is a huge help but not a failsafe, a good stalker can still sneak up on someone who can see them just because you can see them doesnt mean you will

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That's right. There's little better than seeing someone standing around basking in the purple glowing head going "I am all that is man!" as you stand next to them and AS them anyway.

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I dont know why but the line "I am all that is man" cracked me up

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All you really need to do is find a Defender or a Controller with Empath and Clear mind, one pop from that and you can see a stalker coming.

Anyone on Union ever need an empath send a tell to Healer Kid, i'll CM you to a stalker killin life

P.S. Hey Electrode/Skills

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CM is a huge help but not a failsafe, a good stalker can still sneak up on someone who can see them just because you can see them doesnt mean you will

also teleporting stalkers are a cut above, just a shame D'monique seems to be off playng something else

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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.

I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.

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AR is awsome in solo pvp and is one of the best stalker hunters when combined with devices.There is of course some weakness to the defiance strategy but if you get the hang of it well is pretty amazing what u can do.I soloed 20k bounty in 30 min a few nights ago with my AR/dev.An AR/dev can be very good providing aerial support to hero teams as an advanced observation and pin pointing targets for the team with /assist command. Especially the stealthed targets.It should be the best set for Team PvP targetting in open pvp zones imho. Something like a spying sattelite

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It only takes one stalker to tie you up out of the game tho of course that would take a certain stalker out of the game too. Isnt it funny when you get a kind of unwritten code going with certain players? I know a few people (not many) where its best for all concerned if we just ignore the other one in battle lest it just become a very long and drawn out battle of wills and nothing very productive is achieved. Anyone else find this or is it just me?

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Not sure my opinion about stalkers really. (as a start, yes i have played one). Someones comment about they're defences I think is totally wrong as they have more defence than every AT except Tanks, Brutes and Scrappers (not sure about khieldian tank form figures). Stalk-o-bot is annoying with his "fly above you + impale + land + AS" although did get him a couple of times last night when he tried that with aim+buildup+snipe hehe. The 4-way AS strike on me was....a little annoying :/ so i went to sit on a roof for a while and calm down heh until i was apparently the bounty :/ 2 way AS then.

Stalkers will get nerfed i think, as all AT's do (and this is non dependant on any player opinions not directly emailed imo).

If I had to narrow down why I get annoyed at Stalkers to one statement it would be that it isn't a "fight". A fight would involve me being able to do damage to them but with the damage AS does (when done from hide), i'm only left with a tiny amount of health (sometimes 1 hit) which is easy then to pick off with another attack not least if its Spines - impale. The "not being able to see them" I don't mind because as many have said there are a lot of powers that give +per plus the concealment pool available to make yourself more difficult to attack in the first place (pictures a whole pvp zone full of invisible people.....WOW THE ACTION!). Hmmm well I just walked away from the computer and have come back and completely lost where I was going with this :/ so i'll leave it there.

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Fire is a very good counter to stalkers with the DOT delayng the kick in for hide, its not often i get tagged when i am flying away by anyone but you killed me a good few times last night. Stalkers can be annoying and it took me quite some time to be adept at avoiding them on my troller and even now it is mainly dependant on having access to a jump pack

My stalkers tactics are a necessity, i cannot scrap in any way shape or form, he was built for stormies from the get go and though a stalker can have fairly decent defence mine doesnt I dotn really ahve a villain pvp build who can fight in sirens apart from him atm.

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dont get me wrong mate i dont moan about my stalker i just play to his advantages in pvp and try to have a laugh, just sick of people moaning about stalkers saying we need to be nerfed and attacking our tactics via broadcast in pvp.

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I know, and it can get to you when people are bad natured in PVP, morons are prevailant throughout life and COx isnt immune. How many times ahve we heard scrappers say we shouldnt use hide and AS in a fight only go quiet when we say "fine, drop your toggles then"

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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.

I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.

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all i know is that this moaning about stalkers is getting us nerfed so i would like to thank all the whiney ppl 4 that. a/s is one of the plus points of being a stalker compared to low hp (under 1000 for a lvl 40) and weak defence.

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Mate, this conversation has been done to death on both this board and the US one, 1000s of petitions have been sent saying stalkers are abusing thier powers and if they are going to get nerfed they will get nerfed regardless of what the customer says/moans about. Its not like anyone was saying "yay ED rocks" did they?

You dont need to protect the stalker AT, cryptic knows the role they designed it for and to be honest it doesnt take much to kill them if you know what you are doing, same with any AT/powerset combo.

There is literally no stalker with a lower defence than mine and I dont moan about it, nor do I need defence for that matter depending on how you use it the stalker is an awesome solo pvp AT, but then so are scrappers, blasters and some controllers. Its all the same.

Dont take it personal, dont get heated up defending the AT as it will just sour your enjoyment, play it and have fun.

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Because stalkers can kill my char before I can react, if there was a struggle without me having to pop every insp I own just to stay alive let alone do some meaniful damage I might agree with you.

I have snuck up on a stalker, hit them with buildup flamethrower, slug and full auto (my most powerful opener) and couldn't get them under 65% health. Considering Blasters are supposed to be the most damaging AT is that balanced? Maybe AR is just particularly weak in PvP.

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try falling from a roof and then snipe it works wonders