Squez

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So what do you think prices will be at once we can set the missions for 8 people even solo?

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Buh??? *runs to look up announcements*

Holy Moley!

One thing is for certain: I won't struggle to get the dang Croatoa ghosts badge anymore.

But the invariable more people playing at higher options will mean a drop in purple prices. So get selling while the selling is good.

Now if they will let us set custom colors on the chat bug, the I16 circle will be complete.

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Also place some bids on the BM and log out to the login screen, the bug affects you when you try to type your password in as you switch toons.

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I'd say this is pretty close, but not to the point where you can give a set of steps and 100% of the time it will happen. It happens most of the time for me, but it's that 10% or so times it won't happen that make bug breaking hard.

I liked the earlier suggestion that you have to add chatting into the mix, but I didn't get a chance to try forcing the error last night. And you have to try things like initiating chat vs. responding to a chat, using a mouse to begin chatting vs. backspace, global vs. server chat, etc.

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I hate this bug.

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512125125You know, there's something just all-around nice about seeing dev hatred for a bug.

Here's to a successful hunt.

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Also tired of posts vanishing into thin air, but that's a problem for next year.

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Eh?

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<_<

Obviously The_Ocho is out to get Squez!

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Was going to blame it on Gremlins, but The_Ocho works for me.

(I had entered pretty much the identical post above, went through the motions to post it, and *poof* gone.)

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Other plus side: our hovering windows on recipes are back.

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Thank goodness. So very tired of clicking Info when I'm in the mood to buy stuffs NAO.

Also tired of posts vanishing into thin air, but that's a problem for next year.

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PvP IO's are off the charts these been no drops due to bug so they say. A stong argument has allready been had about this and has yet to be resolved.

Making the prices over 9000 for some and have zero left on the market.

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Fixt for moar internetness.

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To me you're blessed if you can get purples on your own. Cause I sure as hell can't. I run several paper mishes on relentless with my lvl 50, park it in Ouroboros for the day job recipe bonus when I am AFK... and get nothing.

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In the words of my mother in law, you're doing it wrong.

Think of farming like a game of Risk. Would you rather be attacking with 1 die or several?

Change your difficulty level to level 2 (Tenacious or whatever the heck it is redside). More stuff being killed faster is more rolls of the dice. Relentless is pointless while farming (less stuff, harder and slower to kill).

If you really want to get going, you will either need to pad out missions (which blows) or head to a hazard zone. Even for villains, the RWZ has many areas that are still hazard-size. Build to survive Rikti and go nuts.

If you really REALLY want to get going, start marketing. Research, put bids in, go play, collect fat loots. Much more freedom to do what you want while playing, while all your earning takes place afk.

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I really do fail to see sometimes how anyone can lose money at the market.

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I have a couple tried-and-true methods:

1) Have a delicious adult beverage. Become wrapped up in outfitting a character. Concentrate REALLY HARD on not typing too many numbers before hitting return. Type too many numbers and hit return. Bonus points for letting out a blood-curdling yell.

2) Watch something trend downward during an event. Decide, "Hmm, I should buy those at level X" Buy them. Watch the trend continue downward. Slap self in head everytime you log in thereafter in the desperate hope that they'll come back up in a few months.

YMMV.

As for why I market, I remember the Bad Old Days of not being able to afford SOs at level 22 and the horrid work to do so. I'm never truly rid of those memories unless a new character has a million well before level 10.

And I'll heartily second everything said about it being fun. I also enjoy getting characters frankenslotted at level 12 on up. Patient marketing does that rather well and cheaply.

And then there's the more pragmatic side of me: It would seem that it's only a matter of time until the devs cave to whining about having a store (however, perhaps they will all have more children and become de-sensitized to such things). By that time, all my characters will be even more well-off. Bring on the store.

Just remember:

"Base" salvage = frightening and confusing
"Praetorian" salvage = fluffy bunnies and immediate knowability

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I never really liked that name, but I didn't have one I liked enough to justify using my one-time-only change token.

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Considering most of the ones I see are stuff like '@Ugh_Glug has been changed to @GluXX0r,' I'm not sure you needed all that much justification.

Long live Mind Forever Burning.

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I "quit" and gave away all my stuff came back and had my main re-purpled in less than 2 months.) and my main is about to hit 1 billion on hand for the first time ever, mostly because I don't think there is anything left to slot.

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Now this I never got (ditching stuff when you quit). When new PvP was rolled out, however, I did get to read some impassioned cases as to why people did it.

As you point out, though, it's easy enough to get it all back, but sheesh.

The real problem is that you posted an "X...who's with me?" type post and don't seem to be able to accept that perhaps not a lot of people are with you.

They are going to be less with you in the Market forum, since folks that hang out in Market tend to observe how the system works, and then take advantage of it. When it changes again (which it has several times now), they will observe and adjust.

Ask around, and a lot of folks may have a favorite wanted change. But they don't necessarily want YOUR change. And it's hardly one type of play style that can take a lot of advantage of the status quo.

And here I thought an infuence cap was the sort of thing that really ought to be tipped, preferably whilst wearing a monacle.

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It's sake, as in the drink.

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Which just leads to more Chinese farmer oddities. My peeps did farm a lot of gold when they got here (or were here, or were but a glimmer in Thor Heyerdal's eyes), but they never fermented rice. They did corn instead (chicha and its ilk).

Sake is to crafting IOs as chicha is to flipping. Or Fulmens smacking your niche up.

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I'm not too confident that this law will actually accomplish anything, but it does generate a little hope.

From the NY Times.

I know, I know, the farmers will get around this without even breaking a sweat, but it will at least make it more expensive for them (I hope).

...stupid gold farmers...

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A little while ago, my ancestors apparently emmigrated from China and moved deep into South America. And what did they do when they got there? They set up terraced farms up and down the dang Andes mountains.

This proves that China might try to get rid of farmers, but Squez should probably go easy on the nihonshu.

If you had Tonto with you, perhaps I could be persuaded...

Actually, now that I think about it, I AM the lone bidder (Razzle Dazzle lvl 16 acc/end, I'm looking at you). My brute would love for it to come in, but y'know, perhaps I'll level up a bunch and expand my possible pool.

Thanks a bunch. Let Squez drone on and on and then you guys swoop in with the quick, succinct answers. WhyIoughtta...

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and was able to drop or lowball everything else (steadfast for 150K, ToD, Sciroccos and Mako's sets etc) over a period of weeks. That is what you can't now do.

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*looks at my level 30 archer that just got 2 4-piece sets of Mako for silly prices in the last week*

*looks at my level 30 fire tank that's almost done with her lvl 33 Scirocco + Oblit sets over the last 4 weeks*

*looks at same archer that just low-balled lots o' lvl 33 Positrons in the last 2 weeks*

*looks at a lvl 36 stone/ice tank that's had his ToDs for a few months now*

None of these characters had over 50 mil when they got this stuff. I'm not sure what conclusion one might draw from that, but it's certainly not the conclusion you drew.

Now my ice/kin that is now level 33 might feel your pain a little trying to get sets of Posi with a bankroll of 2 mil, but she got a crafting badge or 3, crafted, sold, then did some flipping and got the sets on pretty low bids, all in the last 2 months.

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What do you consider pretty low bids ? Nowadays a low bid for me is 100K-500K, it used to be 10-20K which was plenty for all the multistrikes at any sub 40 level I wanted for example, and red fortunes were not much more, 50K max. The rare sets were more than that, but a lot less than they are now.

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Depends on my mood. Usually the default of "low ball" is "far under weekend average last 5 prices" (sometimes that is your range, other times not). Then we factor in the sitz im leben of each character. The fire tank above had dipped under 10 mil when I started putting in bids, so I had to bid well under my usual default while I started doing some flipping, crafting, Croatoa missions, and DA runs. Got really lucky bidding a couple times (oblit quads) and then had enough cash to up my Scirocco bids to the usual default. (And as a side note, all the Multistrikes she was using up until the switch were obtained between 512 influence up to about 150K. No problem.)

Archer was well in control at 30+ mil and was well before 27, so I could camp a lot of bids (and she was fully and dangerously frankenslotted way back at 17). Very successful there at staying in default position.

That ice/kin, though, that was a challenge starting the project with 2 mil, and her not being that great in DA (though I gave it many goes). And even so, I still managed 1 basilisk quad at discount price (I finally had to choke and buy the other for the going rate of 30 mil; I was tired of waiting).

The point is: average money level of the population changes, my money level changes, I still don't like paying get it NAO prices, I price accordingly and almost never pay a get it NAO price. And you wouldn't believe how often I snipe something for 512 influence.

Though those Basilisk quads task me. Said fire tank is sitting on 90+ merits; at level 33 I'm looking forward to my random rolls in a sad pathetic effort to draw one to sell.

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HOW DO DEY KNOW!?!?

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Well it most assuredly wouldn't have anything whatsoever to do with BUFFOONS SHOUTING THE INFO IN BROADCAST.

And it definitely would have not a thing to do with encountering pockets of lag and wondering, "Gee, I wonder why all these people are clustered at the tram/at Portal Corps/in RWZ/in Atlas' AE/etc."

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Today's lesson: Doing nothing does not get everything.
*EDIT* Or perhaps "Doing nothing special does not get special things"

Anything better?

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I'm rather partial to Ned Flanders' parents' tidbit: "We've tried nuthin' and we're all out of ideas."

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** Squez on a Mind Controller was the worst at 800 000 inf in the hour, but everyone knows Squez needs to lern2play.

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Yea verily he sucketh.

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I picked up a good few 30-33 Posi's over the weekend (including Friday night).

As I was flexibale about the level within that range I think I got some rather good bargins, then again I haven't yet overslotted the level 22 one I got as a drop thats still in the power.

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For almost everything that Minotaur mentioned and the Posis, the level 31 and 32 pieces are an outstanding bargain. Why, I don't know, but even when I9 released, Fulmens was astounded to see lvl 39 pieces so radically lower than their lvl 40 counterparts (similarly with 49 vs 50).

I have a hard time shaking the symmetry OCD of seeing 33s across the board, though (something I've criticized before myself). Sometimes I fight it, sometimes I don't.

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I might have some Posis for you Squez, if I ever get around to kitting out my fire/rad with the purples he's been stashing in base storage because I'm too lazy to respec him.

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Weren't you listening to Minotaur? I can't simply bid low for them and get them...oh wait.

My problem is that while others suffer from buy it NAO, I suffer from play it NAO. I get fixated on one character, and really want certain bids to come in...and then get forced to do some waiting (zero supply items). Sometimes I get desperate to *shudder* buy an SO to fill space.

Then I remember I have bids up on most 80+ characters, and someone else's probably came in by now. So I pick one or have a pal roll me some dice to pick a ran-dumb character, log in, and lo and behold, their stuff is there.

And it's off to the races, or boom goes the dynamite, or whatever.

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and was able to drop or lowball everything else (steadfast for 150K, ToD, Sciroccos and Mako's sets etc) over a period of weeks. That is what you can't now do.

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*looks at my level 30 archer that just got 2 4-piece sets of Mako for silly prices in the last week*

*looks at my level 30 fire tank that's almost done with her lvl 33 Scirocco + Oblit sets over the last 4 weeks*

*looks at same archer that just low-balled lots o' lvl 33 Positrons in the last 2 weeks*

*looks at a lvl 36 stone/ice tank that's had his ToDs for a few months now*

None of these characters had over 50 mil when they got this stuff. I'm not sure what conclusion one might draw from that, but it's certainly not the conclusion you drew.

Now my ice/kin that is now level 33 might feel your pain a little trying to get sets of Posi with a bankroll of 2 mil, but she got a crafting badge or 3, crafted, sold, then did some flipping and got the sets on pretty low bids, all in the last 2 months.

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This leaves me with no use for any uncommon or rare salvage. What to do with it? The vendors offer such terrible prices...

So I head over to the market, put my salvage up in stacks of whatever for the price of ... 100 inf.

I'm just curious, how much of an effect am I having (if any) on the overall prices of these items by offering bottomed out prices?

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Curious question, and I left the salient parts.

First, the easy answer to the stated question: You are becoming part of the Supply side of the Supply/Demand equation

However, you're not really offering "bottomed out" prices. You're offering a price that is starting to approach the average trading price, especially for uncommons at that level. So in the real time of bid matching with supply, your stuff won't move terribly fast.

Finally, why do you want to have an effect? What would the effect look like? If you can clearly define what effect you want, you can get a handle on what it might take to pull it off. And most likely it will take stockpiling hordes of the item you are trying to have an effect on. And the effect will be temporary since you don't control the means of production.

I'd suggest taking a look at how you regard the market and do a couple things:

1) Lower your offering price. Low bid matches high price, but don't offer for 1. Go a little higher to avoid being sniped--something between 7 and 19 should work nicely. On average you'll keep value since you'll ride the spikes and suffer the lows much more liquidly.

2) Realize you may need some of this stuff. Crafting badges, using a lower level "filler" IO until your desired level comes in, etc. Which goes hand in hand with...

3) Use the market as a sort of storage place. The more people toss stuff in the pot, the more likely you can get stuff out of the pot later. Things run out every once in awhile, so in that case bid patiently and walk away; but in most cases, it's sell easily now, buy easily later.

4) And a final note: Vendors don't offer a terrible price, they simply offer "price." Since the market is subject to large swings of supply and demand, those prices don't really link up to how people value an item vs. how long it would take to produce an item. The only real commodity in CoX is time, so don't be tempted to link vendor pricing to the market in your thinking.