Smooth_Operator

Eeevery time I read threads like this it makes me want to go and find some dueling people and smack em' silly. And if you in return want start hunting me down like a rabid dog... well go ahead if it makes you happy. The problem is that because I think that offence is best defence we will just end up hunting eachothers till the end of the world

I like playing with my fire/fire blaster. Iv taken basically everything from my fire secondary and the AoE damage you can unleash is just awesome. But as someone already said you better team with a good controller or tankie otherwise you tend to die a lot ...just wait till i get my "Rise of the Phoenix!" from epic pool!

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Thanks for being a shining example of the type of behaviour Im referring to.

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No problem. I'm happy that I could provide you an example of what you are talking about. Now you actually have something to base your accuastions on.

But what else can I say? I haven't noticed any of these things you keep talking about. Community seems to be as nice as ever if you ask me. Lots of great people like TG and Xironia who try to keep the community going. Organizing events like parties and Hammy raids. And even if you don't like them (and I can't understand why not) doesn't mean that others don't.

Theres always going to be few annoying people around and few of those who keep taking things a bit too personally.

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And the testimonies of my friends mean nothing? You use only the forums as a way to determine the state of play? Id look beyond where your gettin your info. Repeats annoying you? Well no point doing them is there?

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You keep referring to these friends of yours... imaginary friends? Maybe you should get them to write in this thread too instead of just putting words to their mouth. I could also say that I have lots of testimonials from friends who think that the situation is not as grim as you make it seem to be... oh hey just noticed! You CAN read them in this thread.

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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.

It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.

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And not once it occured to you that it might be your fault they are not talking to you or taking you to teams?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I still have good time here. Lots of friends and nice community. Sure there are few bad apples around but nothing says you have to eat them. Get the good ones and ignore the bad ones. And for the love of god don't take things so bloody seriously! And that goes for everyone

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Ahain one aspect that can have a dissmissive comment. FFS I just said alot are having this trouble in any case. Just cos you dont have that trouble it means no one elses is?

And to clear somehing up i am here for fun. Not elite groups and ego boosting like I know some do.

And truth be told just cos you dont like my drive doesnt mean I must be at fault. I am describing actual things not figment s of my immagination. Im smart enoguh to see what is baltent what is shyness and what is a possible misunderstanding.

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Same goes to you too. Just because you have problems doesn't meant that everyone else has.

You are here for the fun? So am I. I wouldn't be here if I was having a bad time. And what's that comment about "elite" groups? Making vague innuendos like that is hardly going to lead to anywhere constructive.

Whats wrong teaming exclusively with your SG? In the end everyone tries to get around bunch of people who share similiar intrests, humour etc. SG's are not that different than your friends list. It sounds like you expect people to team/talk what ever with you because you share a friend list? Maybe you just picked your SG/friends badly? And hey! It's not too late! You can always make new friends! Although with that general attitude...

If you have room I would like to come with my lvl 50 en/en blaster Rain :P

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I have people on my global friends list I havent talked to in weeks. Why? Because they havent bothered to talk to me. I dont mean the ocasional friend you just dont get around to talking to. We all do that. I mean the people who have put me on global friends and see my chat on two public channels. Most noteably Evo chat and coaltion.

It came clear to me that I was the one intiatiting chat. When I stopped talking not a word was said. Teams were getting formed and mutual friends of mine were getting on those teams and not a word to me. My tells were getting ignored and on one occaision within seconds I saw the recipent of that tell chat away to someone on a public channel. And wasnt long ago I was solo and needed to get on someones team. I asked on coalition and not a word.

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And not once it occured to you that it might be your fault they are not talking to you or taking you to teams?

I have no idea what you are talking about. I still have good time here. Lots of friends and nice community. Sure there are few bad apples around but nothing says you have to eat them. Get the good ones and ignore the bad ones. And for the love of god don't take things so bloody seriously! And that goes for everyone

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At level 24 getting to the reactor for a respec with no one to tp you will be a pig without someone to tp ya (i know from experience btw), faultline you dont have to enter, shards have geysers which you can learn to use but gettin to the terra reactor without a tp well i just hope you outlevel the map before you go in and the last shard tf in that great big palace i have no idea how you get in or out ive always had a tp

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Why does everyone keep saying this? You only need to find the route once and after that getting to the reactor is easy as killing a brutue with a blabber. Faultline? You only need to go there couple of times if you follow the story lines or collect all the badges. Shadow shard? Using those jumping thingys is easy and tbh you don't spend that much time in Shards either.

I always take hasten and I don't see a lot of point taking any other travel power than SS. Once you get used to just use SS theres no place you cant go easily. I would only consider taking other travel power pools if I were to make a PvP build. For PvE SS IS enough! Of course it's downt to preference but don't be afraid using just SS. It is possible and not even that hard.

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Having played fire/fire a bit now I can say that none of my other blasters do so much raw AoE damage. Staying alive CAN be a bit problematic though. But it is fun if you have a good team. With AoE damage like fire/fire you can easily do damage of 2 blasters!...if you can stay alive that is

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yer i guess so, im thinkin more solo

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I wonder why...

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Simply put, a common way used to backhandedly insult someone, is to insult them in a way that will appear as a joke to others, but will definately insult the target. That way if they respond in anger, you make them look like an a-hole or a whinger.

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Yeah. Got to say thats one of my fawourites. It's like double insult if they fall for it. hehe

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Honestly, I wouldnt go boasting about it.

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But I honestly think It's double the fun

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Simply put, a common way used to backhandedly insult someone, is to insult them in a way that will appear as a joke to others, but will definately insult the target. That way if they respond in anger, you make them look like an a-hole or a whinger.

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Yeah. Got to say thats one of my fawourites. It's like double insult if they fall for it. hehe

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A persons 'own brand of fun' isnt necessarily what the PVP zone is there for. I dont expect people to march to my own personal code of conduct, but I expect some [censored] basic respect, the same kind you show a stranger when you pass them in the street.

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I think that sums up things up perfectly well and echoes my own feelings on the subject.


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I have to say that I agree as well. It is nice to get and to show basic respec. I even do it myself. I never go calling anyone n00b or shout anything too abusive on broadcast. But still I'v had few tells from both of you to ask me to quiet down. You have been polite telling me that and I would like to think that I have been polite in my responses. Still it doesn't change the fact that the thing you find annoying and perhaps little abusive I think is fun and not too nasty.

There are no global blackboard where you or me can go and scribble down our own CoCs(mine is bigger by the way hehe). Where as you might write down "Do not intervene announced duels" I might write "Kill the [censored]" I don't expect you to go intervene announced duels just because I think they are stupid and belong to the arena and you shouldn't expect me to leave them alone. You might argue that "You know thats rude and not very fair" while I say that "I'm not doing anything wrong."

I know how easily PvP can turn nasty and abusive and I too think that you should always show somekind of respect but sometimes you will meet people who just dont share your views or common politeness. So what? Don't take things too personally. If someone calls you n00b take a step back and let him rant or petition if you think hes being too abusive. (Sorry insult coming) But coming here and whining how awfully wrong something is and trying to impose your own set rules to everyone while assuming your rightful position on the moral high ground just shows how hypocrite, small minded and intolerant you are. And yes I'm doing that myself right now... then again I never said I was perfect (ok ok I did but I lied)

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you seem to be operating under some form of misaprehension, if it is of my opinion that someone needs to be taught a lesson in manners this is my right to do it so long as I am not breaching the EULA, a judgement is just an opinion and there is no real difference, its just semantics and your own "opinion" on what a "judgement" is. To petition someone you must have "judged" someone to have done something that is worthy of petitioning, you are contradicting yourself really, dont judge but do petition.

if people act like jerks in the zone then they will be treated as jerks. Only thing I have a problem with is abuse and profanity over the broadcast which I think is out of order and is clearly against the EULA, I dont think many could argue over the definition of vulgarity. Who defines it? NCSoft and I have seen some offenders attitudes change in the last few weeks so I am actually beleiving that they may be doing something with petitions.

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I dont think I'm operationg under any misaprehension. Lets not get lost here. "Juding" is hard to define. I judge/evaluate situations all the time. In a way every decicion has come from judgement/evaluation of a situation. It is in your right to pass your "punishment" to whom ever you want, but it is not for you to tell if someone else is doing the right thing or the wrong thing. You cant see how he/she sees the thing you are arguing about. You do decicions based on your own evaluations and so does the other side. What im really really hard trying to say is that there are not absolute truths, only point of views.

Im sorry if you cant follow my line of thought. My brains may not be the state of the art but I think there is distinct difference about how you define judgement and how I define it. Before someone gets broken nose, lets just agree that we disagree

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In my defination those are opinions. They become judgements when you start thinking that having a gold coloured car is punishable action.

Judgement is something that by definition leads to punishment or reward.

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I strongly believe that throwing insults at other players should be punished.

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I on the other hand couldn't care less.

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If you don't care about insults why do you care about what others think of you ? It seems to me you care enough to make a forum post about it and say we're all wrong for thinking less of people that behave in an unsporting manner in PvP.

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Of course I care what other people think or say about me... to an extent. I don't claim to be above the influence of your opinions. I just don't share the all the same values that you do.

And no. I don't say it's wrong for you to think less of people who you don't like. Thats only natural. What I do say is that you shouldn't declare an ultimate truth that you are right and he/she is wrong, because your truth or mine are not the only ones around here.

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In my defination those are opinions. They become judgements when you start thinking that having a gold coloured car is punishable action.

Judgement is something that by definition leads to punishment or reward.

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I strongly believe that throwing insults at other players should be punished.

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I on the other hand couldn't care less.

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I'm surprised there hasnt been an sg created for characters built primarily for pvp to go out and splat all the wee plonkers.

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I'm already in a VG/SG but would love to form (or join) a Squad devoted to belittling these ganking bullies.

E.G One of the Squad is in a PvP zone & they see a team of 8 farming some poor sole to the ends of the zone (hosp), the squad member switches on their Anti-gankers channel, see who's about, form a team and we move in and absolutely obliterate the fools!

I've got heroes or villains for this squad...

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And become one of them yourself...

I do agree with you about the part with EULA. Those are clearly defined rules for this game and should be obeyed but still it's not your or anyone elses job here to start to pass judgements based on your interpretation of those rules. If you feel like someone is breaking EULA you should petition them and leave the judgement for those who get paid to do so.

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Surely if everyone is free to do what they want then judging is indeed covered Besides which making a judgement on something is human nature and we do it on everything and anything "that looks nice", "I dont fancy eating that", "ick who buys a gold coloured car" etc etc.

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In my defination those are opinions. They become judgements when you start thinking that having a gold coloured car is punishable action.

Judgement is something that by definition leads to punishment or reward.

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In essence arent u judging the judges?

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Well yeah... I may be walking a thin line here but I still want to emphasise that it is not your place to pass judgements specially in a playground that you havent built.

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As marq said, many people just go to cause trouble and swear over broadcast which is against the official EULA

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I know many players there are really "unsporting" and only come to PvP areas to grief people but wheres the limit? Who defines griefing you? You can only express your opinion not define it because it not for you to do so. Or if you want to define it you cant expect others to agree. Ultimately the only rules here are they ones that EULA states.

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And as you say, its peoples choice so I guess you are saying that people can remorselessly hunt down the same person who was making the atmosphere unpleasant over and over again and this is a valid tactic.

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That is exactly what I'm saying. As I said every action has a reaction. You are of course free to get your revenge.

What I was saying was not really that you or anyone else shouldn't have your own code of conduct. It's just that I may not share your views on those and you having your opinion doesn't automatically make mine wrong. Even if my opinion would be minority.

I was just encouraging people to play as they feel is fun.

I hate being droned or ganked several times by big groups as much as anyone else. But what I don't do is to judge the way you play. Who am I to say what is fun for you. I may have an opinion that what you did to me wasnt very "sporting" but you might think it was fun. Whos right?

And since NONE of us can be absolutely right about what is right or what is wrong (although many here seem to act like they are) theres no point going running around judging people. Thats what I mean about having an opinion and not judging. Again we may share a different opinion about semantics of the word "judge" :P

And point that [censored] finger at me and I'll [censored] bite it off!

I'v been reading these PvP posts for some time and can't help but see a pattern forming. Remember while a go when there was this thread about making code of conducts and stuff like that? It raised different opinions, but it was generally agreed that without Devs making some baselines it would never work because how each of us perceive the game differently.

Every now and then someone posts something that they didn't like or found amusing and is followed by an avalanche of different opinions. That’s fine, but what finally made me write about this subject was a little comment generally saying something like this "you will lose your reputation acting that way". There are few regular PvP players who are starting to form their own CoC and imposing it to other players.

You might lose your reputation in their eyes but remember that they are not the majority although the amount of noice they make may make it seem like that. Don't listen to those comments. Agreeing to play by someones rules will only develop an unhealthy elitists atmosphere where if you dont play by the rules you will be frowned upon… or worse.

Remember that your tactics are not any worse than the tactis of someone else. Feel free to play the game how you like. Gloat over a dead body or be polite. It’s your choise. Sure there will be conflicts of opinions but that’s only what they are, opinions. No right or wrong there. But also remember since this is community that every action will have reaction. Don’t come crying if your drone tping earned you some nasty comments or your politeness was rewarded with a debt.

Don't judge it's not your job. Have a opinion instead. And most of all.. Be tolerant!

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Depends. One on one, or even two or three on one and I'll probably stick it out. Anymore than that and I'm outta there.

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Well, if the Defiant Bantamweight & Heavyweight Champion admits he runs for home when the odds are worse than 2:1 then it doesn't bode well for the community.
But I'm glad you told us, perhaps you can answer the question; Why?
Being splattered means you'll wind up back at base anyway, minus nothing but the walk home. So why run there to escape... being teleported there?

Just curious.

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Simply because I don't want you to have points from me and I don't like getting beaten up. It's humiliating. So if I'm not getting any points, neither will you, if its up to me

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especially as shes had to put up with me and smooth all this time

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Oh yes and Gratz for putting up with X and Smooth - that does deserve a badge

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Hey! I heard that!

Eight long months of "multitasking" and you finally got your 50! Gratz! You sux I rox!

GNNNNN! I can't hold it anymore! I have to blow my load!

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Just wondering what is your AT?

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Among other things I have lvl 50 stone/axe tanker. So even if I may not be the best tanker around I do have fairly good idea what tanking is.

Sure you can run around and almost keep the aggro, but still... your not as effective as tankies with taunt. Sure theres crappy tanks with taunt but theres even more crappy tanks without it.

I do keep all tankers in my teams when I get one, but getting a tank without taunt always makes me go "damnit! yet again one without... oh well."

What ever you say about tankies being able to hold aggro without taunt theres absolutely NO taunt aura that holds aggro if the enemies are even a bit farther from the tankie. So you get runners and the tank cant aggro them back without running after them thus risking loosing more aggro.

And what comes to this punchwoke, its always been there and its not very effetive and again it only works on those enemies that are in melee range.

Without taunt you CAN'T control aggro as effectively in wide range as you can with taunt. And that boys and girls is a fact.

I think that if you are tanker and you do not have Taunt you are not doing your work properly. Yes you can still be some use for the team, but not as usefull as you could be.