Sir_Arioch

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The devs didn't think ahead, everybody exploited and it will probably be fixed next year.

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Um - actually, this is exactly how we planned it. We had fun with it. And people seem to be having fun with it (hence the several threads). So, um, no, this isn't exploiting, IMHO.

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And thank you for this fun.

My roommates and I, and anyone that wanted to join us, hung out at the same door for several hours, we had a blast the whole time, the only time we would leave the doors is if any new people to the group didn't have the monster badge yet, at which point we'd all scatter across the zone looking for one (a pumpkin monster) to smack around for its badge ..

Over all, this was a hell of a lot of fun ...

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My friends will advance just as fast, or faster if they're Sidekicked to me.

How is that selfish?

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Maybe they want to do their story arcs and/or get their couple of mission badges also while gettiung XP?

Yes, they will advance as fast or faster SKed to you, but that will also rush them past content that they will not be able to go back for and story stuff they will never be able to read if they just XP grind SKed to someone else ...

Pop a discipline before you fire off AB, it has a good chance of stopping the disorient effect =)

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Well, issue two was called "A Shadow of the Past", which just so happened to be the title of the second chapter of "The Fellowship of the Ring". Oh, and "Eastgate" is referenced as being part of Moria in the world of LoTR.

So, going by the theory that the chapter titles refer to great works of literature, I did a little research into the new title: Issue 3 A Council of War.

The only thing I could come up with is Treasure Island. Chapter 12 (1 plus 2 equals 3?) of Treasure Island is called Council of War.

So, is this title a hint at the possibility of a water zone? Perhaps pirate villains? Or some sort of treasure?

Just some speculation I'll put out there. Enjoy.

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Very astute.

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I have never seen Manticore in here before, and he talks too much like Statesman...

Coincidence...?

or

Personality Disorder...?

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or

Statesman's secret identity is Manticore !!!??!!

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What?
You want facts? Alright, here some facts.

Fact: Outcasts and trolls are far more powerful than they ever used to be in relation to their level, and are FAR more powerful than any other mob at thier level. At level 5, you are fighting things with ballbats, shotguns, sledgehammers, electric zaps, and zombie barf at worst.


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Fact: This is a known issue that has been commented on by the DEVs and is currently on the test server fixed, they have toned down both trolls and outcast bringing them more in line with Skulls and hellions of equiv level ...

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Yah, but... but...

How many do you need? Do you actually need 2500 monkeys, or will a couple hundred do?

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Neither of us know, between us we've killed about 2500+ monkies, but we were killing the Vicious Ones on Rikti isle, it moght only count normal Rikti Monkies (like the ones in Crey's Folly), neither of us have gotten the badge yet, so posisbly it is not turned on yet but will be with the next patch

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It'll be interesting to see if the badge is retroactive or not. Anyone know if kill amounts transfer from Live to Test?

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Even if it's not reto-given, it won't be a big deal, Monkies spawn in truck loads and are easy to kill

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I just recently completed the preatorian story arc and defeated all of the archvillains (with help) and did not recieve any badge.

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The praetorian Arc for 45+ is missing 1 AV, Anti-Matter, you have to get him from your 40-45th lvl Arcs and you will get the badge

I had to go back and get him as well, as soon as he dropped, I got my badge ...

I vote Yes.

SuperVillains are sometimes faced down by more than 1 hero, if they were 100% equal and using no powers above their own level, it would make a dull fast fight for a group of Heros.

Since the Supervillains are controlled by the computer, letting them have powers above what their level is allowed, somewhat makes up for the fact that they can not think on their feet so to speak as well as a hero controlled by a thinking person, they need some form of an extra edge.

Many villains in comicbooks always seem to be more powerful than the heros that they fight. This makes it much more 'heroic' for the Heros when they do triumph over whatever villain they are fighting by using their head or a better strategy.

There is nothing very heroic about beating up some villain with 5 SuperHeros that any 1 of them could have done alone, this is one of the reasons I like AVs and Monsters in my missions

Just as a FYI ..

The DEVs seemed to still be datamining and working on getting people the older badges they say they are missing, I know this because I logged onto the test server to check out the new changes about 5 minutes ago and picked up a badge I knew I should have gotten but had not yet.

I haven't had it pop to me on the live server yet so I am guessing they are putting something into the patch that lets more of the missing badges get dropped on to the characters. ...

I think if people will just have a little more patience, the DEVs will get everything going the way most, some, a few, are wanting =)

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I don't understand your reasoning for your post. I have been VERY PATIENT with the devs with this issue, as you can see in my post i first sent in a petition about this issue on the 19th of this month.
There are some with the Manticore TF badge, and there are some that do not have it even though they have completed it. I have completed the Manticore TF AT LEAST TEN TIMES. Hell, I even have demo files for the Manticore TF alone that total over 28mb.
As for the Numina TF, I completed it but only got the Jurrasic badge. But that's not all, I even have a demo of me and my three allies putting a stop to Jurrasic. What more proof do you need?

It'd be really nice if Positron or any dev would update us about this issue, seeing as how there have been no word from the devs about this issue for the past several days.

Mechatron, I like your badge guide, but I just don't see your reasoning behind that post.

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As I said, this was not directed at any person or poster at all. it was directed at those posts that are obviously in need of reminding of this.

People have to understand, that there are probably thousands of others also petitioning for these badges, the DEVs are datamining them, they have said this, along with doing this they are also trying to fix other bugs / issues as well ..

I'll ask you this, do you think 5 days is enough time, with the other much more pressing issues on the DEVs plate, along with the other several thousand players that are also petitioing, to expect them to get you the badge? It is not even known how they store their data, they just might not have datamined down to the players yet, maybe they have a known issue with certain badges not being given and plan to fix the bug then redatamine ..

I understand the frustration, I have several badges I don't even know if I will ever be able to get yet I know I did the missions/TFs for, it is very frustrating, just as it is very frustrating for the other several thousand people waiting as well, but the DEVs are doing it the only fair way they know and that is to datamine them.

Not everyone is honest, there are probably many that will say they did the TF/mission/whatever when they really didn't, so the only fair way is to datamine them, this takes time, time they are spending along with also trying to get other things fixed ...

If this issue was on a much smaller scale, like only a handful to a hundred people having the issue and there were not other, larger, bugs needing fixing, I would completely understand all the anger I am reading in some of the posts, but the scale is very large and something that, originally, was going to be done by the DEVs as a courtesy is probably turning into a huge headache for them to the point that, if I were a DEV, I probably wouldn't offer up such kindnesses in the future.

EQ did this, they stopped long ago doing things like the DEVs are doing here for us because sooo many people would complain about it not getting done for them right that moment or within a couple days, that it became easier for the EQ DEV and GMs to just answer with their now common standard answer of 'We are sorry but will be unable to assist you on this issue' ...

Please, like I said, understand I am not, in any way, directing this at any person or poster, but if you read the many threads that have been started about this, you will see a lot of posts of some very rude people getting mad because the DEVs will not take special attention in them directly and fix their issue at the exact moment the person wants, as if they are the only one in the game with the issue and/or are more special than the rest of us also waiting this out ...

This will probably get me flamed but ..

I see alot of people acting as if they are owed the badges and that the DEVs should be datamining for every little badge, the badges were put in after the fact, things like this go on all the time in online games, new features get added, most online games do not 'retro' any new features to the characters, if a new race gets added, they do not give everyone the option of changing to it because it was not there before, if a new class gets added to a game, they don't offer to everyone the ability to change from what they are to the new class, if new powers get added to most games, they don't usually allow characters to change what they have and the list goes on ...

The DEVs added respec so you could change what you picked, they then went above and beyond in datamining for badges people got previously to the patch, something they really did not have to do and something a majority of online games would not have done, EQ added several classes and races over time, they allowed some races to play some classes they couldn't before, at no time did you see a DEV say 'ok, everyone can trade in their old characters for 1 of the new race and class !!' ..

Yet the DEVs here have gone that extra step and are trying to datamine gigs of data files to retro award badges, I have news for those crying about this, you are not the only ones missing the badges and that are waiting on them, there are thousands and thousands of characters/players also waiting and wanting and petitioning and complaining, yet I see posts where the person posting feels they have more of a right than the rest of us and is all but demanding something that was orignally offered out of being nice ...

They are still datamining and trying to get them out, as they are found, you get awarded them, there is really no way the DEVs can log on to a server and start handing badges out on an individual basis and it is insane to think they should, do you know how many people they would have to be doing this for? Then add in those that are just flat out lying about ex-badges, should they just be given the badge because they said they did XXX mission?

This is like kicking a guy in the teeth for giving a thirsty man water because there was no ice in the glass ...


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This is not directed at any one person posting in particular, but at the over all posts I have seen, there are a lot of much more serious bugs / issues the DEVs are also trying to fix, be patient, let them datamine, eventually you will get your badges, if not, there probably is not alot that can be done since if they can't datamine it out, they can't just give out the badges on trust, if they did, many would say they did XXX mission when they didn't to get a badge, the DEVs are also adding in a way to go back and redo TFs and Trials, let them work on this and then, if you don't get your badge, dash back in and redo whatever it was you didn't get the badge for, but the here is to be patient, let them work, let them fix the big pressing issues first and then see where everything is afterwards ...

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Please, please, please, please, please make these monsters spawn more frequently. Tracking these things down for Badges is incredibly painful and there will be a LOT of competition for them in the short term. If not increasing the spawn rate, add a contact who hands out level-appropriate Monster-hunting missions (including exemplared people).

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Kraken and Adamastor are spawning about 10 minutes after 1 dies ..

I watched several groups the other day kill about 10 Krakens, a couple times a Kraken would spawn before the corpse of the old one had rotted away ..

Adamastor was doing the same thing =)

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I am level 47 and to get the badges I want for these rewards I have two choices: find a portal mission that contains these enemies and farm it over and over or run around the lower level areas causing havoc.

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Choice 3: Exemplar to an appropriate level Hero and help them get XP (and work off your debt) while you both get the badge. I know... it's just crazy enough to work.

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This is 1 of the things I have been doing, it makes happy low level players and you get your badge =)

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We ARE going to do something to the 22+ mobs...

And I'm definitely going to get to work on that darn mission difficulty slider (since the higher level people love the increased mob levels...)

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lol, you can almost *see* Statesman's stress from the last few days.

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Yeah, cause he is giving us full answers ....

Group Hug for Statesman !!

Eventually, this will slow down as the higher levelers get their badge and move on ..

Look at it this way, instead of AoEers and those with AoE powers just running in and killing the minions, leaving the bosses and then running off, they are running in, killing the bosses, leaving the minions and then running off leaving nice little groups of nothing but minions for lower level people to run into and AoE without worry of a boss =)

Kinda like a reversal of what alot of people were complaining about before the patch =)

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I gotta say again, though, great post on the datamine skewing.

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If this behavior is not detectable in datamining then there are some really big problems with the game.

Personally I believe it should be easy to get information of XP gain versus power activations. High XP gain with little to no powers being activated would be a red flag for any type of datamining.

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If you were doing the datamine on individual characters yes, but they are probably doing it based on a general value so it is easier to see the big picture ...

For instance, when I do an incoming and outgoing traffic check on one of my networks, I only see the total traffic involved, not what each machine is doing, if it is very high then I'll start breaking it down with a sniffer or some other network performance app to see the whys and whatfors since it would take much to long to start with an individual systems check only to possibly find there is no problem ..

The thing is, in the case of a game, unless the DEVs are watching for someone getting PLed so they can then have something to reference in their datamine, it would be a daunting task to just start sifting thru logs and data at characters on an individual basis in the hopes of finding multiple characters that would show up as not having activated any, or very powers, while they leveled, so they are probably just doing a general spread of leveling vs time involved ...

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So far the only good post on here has been the one that talks about datamining being skewed. Frankly, the people who whine about powerleveling being a way around having to do the "work" is bunk. The reason some people powerlevel is because a majority of their day is spend doing REAL WORK at the WORKPLACE.

The tone of anti-powerlevelers in general is the same as the "game balance" garbage that pops up all over the place. Why can't my controller do this? What can't my blaster do that? Followed by the distant sound of nerf, nerf, nerf.

If you think your controller is weak, don't make a controller. If you *do* make a controller, accept the fact that he's weak (something I don't agree with, it's all in how you play the archetypes).

The parallel is: if grinding your way to level 50 is the way you choose to go, don't whine that it takes you forever. You chose that path. On the flip side, you'll be the one who knows the streets like the back of your hand and can field questions about task forces without breaking a sweat. It's all pros and cons and no one is changing anyone else's mind here.

I gotta say again, though, great post on the datamine skewing.

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The datamine skewing has really been the only good and solid point for why PLing is bad and, as you say, the rest is pretty much garbage made by players that for some reason have something against others gaining levels faster than them at the keyboard or away from it =)

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*circular nature of your logic*


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I understand my argument is circular, but it is no less circular than the points you are also trying to make, the only reason you don't see them as such is because you feel your argument is correct and no other is ...




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Do I have to explain circular logic now? I feel like a school teacher. We have discussed ethics, logic, and ways to develop one's character. I should be getting paid by your parents or loved ones!


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As I said, I understand it, but if you want to get nasty and slightly insulting I can run with that as I'll be happy to take money from your parents or loved ones for instructing you on how to carry on a debate without getting defensive, argumentative or insulting =) ...

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The complaint that you can't play a game and not be at the game is not circular. It's just straight ahead logic.
Its a simple syllogism, which is one of the most basic forms of reasoning.


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I have never complained that I could not play a game and not be at the game itself, which makes your logic flawed, if you are going to relate it to a syllogism, you need to have major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion, because you major premise is an assumption on your part or an incorrect interpretation of my response, it makes your argument flawed ...


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Syllogism
argument involving three propositions: a formal deductive argument made up of a major premise, a minor premise, and a conclusion. An example is “all birds have feathers, penguins are birds, therefore penguins have feathers.”


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Yes, I know what 1 is, thank you =)

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all games must have players present
Plers aren’t present at the game
therefore Plers aren’t playing the game

Your ego makes you say silly things. Its almost funny and is very childish. Have you been to school? This is now getting boring you have given two posts and have not been able to answer my dare. Are you daring---tenacious and persistent-- yes, but ahh... ?
to the rest:
Its nice that some people can now see the point.
I suppose that any rules can be changed for any game. If you where playing chess with a friend you could start making up new moves if you want-- who cares! Would you still be playing chess though? No.
The cheat crowd just won't learn! However, over the last few days I have seen almost no one PLing at the train station on my server. That's great, so at least some people got it.

Now
Lets take a bet when Icarus will stop posting.
1. when hell freezes over.
2. when hell cools down.
3.when he stops cheating
Oh well, betting is illegal in my state so we better not.

How many more posts will we see before my questions are answered? This is like the world's most boring soup opera...

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Again, you become insulting as a form of defense, it is sad really but, as I said, your argument makes as much sense as mine does, even less really as I didn't engage in insults or becoming condescending ...

Also, to point out something you assumed in my response, I never said I PL friends not present at the game, but I do PL them, they usually follow me around while I kill and every now and then toss some power in they want to play with ..

Reading is fundemental and assuptions are just as bad as having flawed logic, logic in itself does not use assumptions ...

As for how many more posts you will see? Probably many as you do not agree with anyone that does not agree with you and your way for showing this is by responding the way you do with jibes, insults, being condescending (rather than using the logic you think you are throwing around) and the many other things your posts reflect that make you a poor choice to try and carry the torch in any debate muchless one about PLing ...

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BTW, I am on the pro PL side, because I like the SK system, and as a result my friends will level faster, but I am against people joining the game and getting there level 2 spandex behind over to a high level zone and then begging, spamming, harrassing players to help them level. Something should be done to corral that, and THAT does have an affect on others in the game.

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This is exactly how I feel as well.

I have many a friend that have finally given up on EQ and are now coming to CoH, the problem is, myself and my 2 roommates gave up about 1 week after CoH went live, we are now 50th, 49th and 47th, they of course are starting out fresh.

We all want to adventure together and several of them have been busting butt to level up without PLing of any sort but we do have a couple that trickle in every now and then, this leaves a large gap between many of us so we have started PLing those new arrivals upto the largest mass of our guild which is in their mid 30s, we plan to continue to do this, even after whatever changes go in, we will find a way.

We don't do this for any other reason than we all want to play together and not wait the month+ it would take them going the normal route. If you want to call this cheating or exploiting, go ahead, the bottom line is, we want to play together and have fun.

To those crying about PLing, get over it, it does nothing to your game at all, the friends of mine that come over to CoH only group within our SG about 95% of the time just as we did in EQ when we were all guilded together, we are used to each others sense of humor, play styles, etc .. and like each others company, so I honestly can't even begin to see how PLing them even touches upon your game enjoyment other than the odd freakish jealousy some of the people complaining in this thread seem to exhibit.

If you want to say it isn't jealousy, ok, then tell me how someone that will never group with you, that you don't know and will probably never encounter in the game, getting PLed so they can run around with the rest of our SG in the high end areas of update 2 or go with us to start working on a Hamidon strat effects you?

The ones that just randomly show up in PI and start spamming public channels or sending tells constantly (I get more than I would like ...) asking for PLing, yes, I can see that as being a problem, but my friends getting PLed by the other members of our SG, how is something like that a problem?

Basically, if a friend of mine asks me to help them get a few levels quickly, I plan to find a way to do it, they are friends, just as I wouldn't tell friends IRL no if they asked for some help, I won't tell online friends no either and I'm sure there are many other people playing the game that feel the same way..

Ok, climbing off my soapbox =)

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Indeed it affects my enjoyment of the game and that is why I bought and continue to play the game. In a sense, it is a game community, as we are all playing it. If you are working on a job and your coworkers were stealing money it may not affect your ability to do your job or even your paycheck, but it would probably make you feel uncomfortable. Also, I am ethically opposed to cheating. If you are playing a game by yourself so what but when you are playing with others its different.
PLing should be stopped. Another reason is that it is not in line with the superhero world. What superhero gets power and glory by doing nothing?

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You speak as if the person is stealing? From who are they stealing? Are they taking XP from you? No, the respawn is to fast ..

They are doing what is fun for them and no, it doesn't hurt your game enjoyment unless you let it by sitting around grumpy about them leveling.

It is good you are against cheating, but many don't see this as cheating and it goes on in almost every online game out there (PLing that is). If, by them doing this, it caused for you to level slower, I might understand, but it doesn't, they are just getting their $15 a month out of the game same as you are.

Try not worrying about Bob, the guy you don't know, will never meet and never group with, and what he is doing to enjoy the game and try just having fun in the game itself for yourself.

As for the robbing the store anology, that is just silly, if common sense doesn't tell you 1 of these things cause no harm to anyone and 1 is a criminal act that can cause for bodily injury or later injury to someone if the crime is not reported, then you need to re-evaluate how you prioritize things ...

Just as a side note, if this does bother you, you may not want to play any other online games that are a level based system, you'll just stress yourself a great deal ...

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SR slotted correctly is pretty disgusting ..

My roomies DM/SR scrapper tanks 50th lvl AVs for me, he is 48th lvl, almost never gets hit the entire fight, granted, if he does, he dies, but out of 5 battles with this 50th lvl AV, he has died once ...

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Slotted correctly = 6 powers and 30 additional slots.

Invul can reach similar effectiveness with one single power.
Instant Healing is a superior defense to the 6 super reflex defense powers.


All scrapper defense sets except Super Reflex offer at least 2 of the following defensive powers : +Defense, +Resist, Healing.

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This is true, but I also think that Invuln should never have been given to scrappers, it should be a Tanker only power set ..

SR slotted correctly is pretty disgusting ..

My roomies DM/SR scrapper tanks 50th lvl AVs for me, he is 48th lvl, almost never gets hit the entire fight, granted, if he does, he dies, but out of 5 battles with this 50th lvl AV, he has died once ...

I'd be willing to bet they are doing this because players are reading those threads, then trying to modify their game, breaking something and calling the Cryptic Tech Support for a fix, this would cause undue work for Cryptic trying to support players that are clueless about how to do the midifications or that just aren't reading everything on how it is done ...

By them allowing those posts here, on their official message boards, they were pretty much saying 'these are ok to do' ...

I've worked in the IT field for a long time, and regardless of how well you write a set of instructions, you will always have people that just don't understand them but will try it anyway ..

Yes it sucks, but it's not that hard to find another place to post the modifications, like Warcry or something, some place where, if people do try them and mess it up and then try to call Cryptic for TS, Cryptic can just point out that the whole thing is not only unsupported, but is against the ToS ...

Also, they probably were not too concerned with the modification posts until it started becoming a major issue ..

Just my thoughts ..

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A; no you can use the option of putting them in the time out corner

q: scrappers and tankers will appreciate my gale spamming and other massive knockback powers right?

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A: Yes, they love it, my roommate scrapper loves when I use Explosive Blast knocking the enemies all over the map right before he uses his PBoE stamina tap ...


Q: When I'm in a zone, how do I know which zones are connected to it without just spamming broadcast asking?