Sgt_Furnace

Tbh, */Ice, is lacking somewhat in damage. In PvP, you play a tank as a tough, medium damage scrapper. But if you want to play it in PvP, get Greater Ice Sword, Freezing Touch, Build up, Frost and Taunt.

I thought the defender duration is less than that off a controller? I swear I read that somewhere :s Think I'm seeing things now.

Is the defender duration WAI or bugged?

Sarge

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Right Sgt....I will contact youand prove to you in the arena if that is what you need.

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Yup. I'm online right now.

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The problem I have with what Sgt_Furnace said is that he said it lasts 10 seconds in the arena. If you don't know Sgt....then don't guess and then spout rubbish based on an incorrect assumption - maybe then you'll be taken seriously.
Does one see why I came to that conclusion?


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Incorrect assumption? I made the assumption based on many PvP threads on the US boards. It was a informed assumption, however, you are welcome to provide evidence to show that you can perm phase someone by doing so to me. If you do, I accept you are right and I am wrong. Contact me tonight on @Sgt. when you want to prove it.

US Thread 1
Says Detention Field lasts for 17 seconds
US Thread 2
Says Detention Field lasts for 15 seconds

Sarge

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Just tested it on a brute called Project VIII. And guess what? I could perma-phase him even WITHOUT hasten on.

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Was that in a PvP zone, or in the Arena. I was specifically taking about arena. In the arena, I believe the duration of detention field is somewhere in the region of 10seconds. I have not tested this due to some obvious reasons, namely not having a FF defender. With a recharge of 21.42 seconds WITH hasten, and a duration of about 10seconds, one can see why I came to the conclusion that FF's detention field can not be made permanent.

Also in many tournaments of PvP, you are allowed a maximum of 2 AT's per 8 man team. Try and design a different team that consists of only a maximum of 2 AT's, and you might be taken seriously.

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Well have you ever done those mishes where you have to defuse bombs at the same time? We all mange to do them without teamspeak.

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Let me get this right, you are comparing 8 experienced Heros, that can move, comunicated and think, to an inert object?

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You little speach is just stupid. So thats exactly how it would go then is it? Oh well, lets not bother then. Because in your head thats exactly how it went. Nevermind the fact that you have never tested it or have a bubbler with PvP experience.

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I'm pretty sure Andy has fought against many bubblers, and knows the ins and outs of PvP better than you or me.

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So Andy is saying that with a team of 8 bubblers, it will be IMPOSSIBLE for them to detension bubble 7 of the other team within 5 seconds of each other. Totally and utterly impossible. No force on Earth could ever accomplish this task. Andy says that and thats good enough for me. I'll stick it on my impossible list. I'll even put it about 'making a square circle'.

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It is impossible to permphase shift someone, which is what you are suggesting, this is not due to anyones PvP abilty, but due to the game mechanics. Have you ever used detention field in PvP? All phase shifting powers in PvP (Detention field, Black Hole, Dimension Shift) all have a greatly reduced duration in PvP. Please if you manage to make it permable with no outside buffs (on a 8man bubbler team you aren't going to get any, anyway) tell me. If you can get 8 Bubbling defenders to prove your theory (that is all it is atm) then please do so, and prove us wrong. Until then, our theory disapproves your theory. Lets just agree to disagree.

Sarge

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Art of War had an Arena battle against SNHS just for fun. 12+ vs 12+ not sure on the exact numbers. The score was something silly and I'm afraid Art of War won.

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Archetype make-up can effect the outcome of PvP battles, but I think PvP experience can do just as much.

And as I recall in the 2nd PvP match against Art-Of-War, we beat you (we were exemped to 20 or something).

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I was never part of that second match, from what I heard there were only 6 or 8 a side.

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It was 6v6 iirc, and we were exemped to lvl 12. No travel powers and no debuff resistance Good fight and good orginisation, no way to beat a hurricane at lvl 12 with just one blaster and I believe the score in the 2nd match was 20+ - 2. I won't post the numbers to the first match

Sarge

Enough said.

Anyone else?

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wow, just as suspected... heroes are all talk and no action... The much more stronger Hero-SGs would own most villains, and yet they failed to come up with 1 single contender for their own pride and respect. I luagh at ur puny heroes and ur silly HO's... u might have the statistical strength, but ur players are weak and cowardly.. as a great man said:

"only the good die young, all the evil seem to live forever!"

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We shall see. Good luck tonight, you're going to need it.

or Knockback protection, both can be gained through powerpools.

Your missing out Bubble defenders, they have mez protection, melee protection, can take out 4 people from the fight for quite a while if they all use detention bubble, can use there secondarys to debuff, do damage and drain end. Only problem is they can't heal, which can be solved with the medicine pool.

Sarge

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THE MEETING POINT IS THE HIVE ENTRANCE, ON THE EDEN SIDE, AT 7PM GMT

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In the OP

I'll be there, usually play with stryker and x44, but i'm not fussed who i play with. I can adapt

Team 2 > Team 1

Sarge

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Invaders spawn in a random location.

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Within a 1x1 space between the rooms. This causes a major problem when attacking, as you can be held and killed before your screen loads, as some of our attackers have found out. Toggles also get dropped after you go in as well. Also, I'm not sure if this is true, but you always zone in the same 1x1 grid everytime.

Sarge

First took me about 390hours, Second took me 290hours, 3rd took me about 250hours. On my 4th, level 30 in 57 hours...

My toons are up for this if you need them...

I'm there as my 'troller.

This Kin Cell strategy is in effect the same as the other holding strategy, just without the mito clearing phase. We will still need 30+ controllers to hold Hamidon.

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-=Art of War=-

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Art of Pl

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Sorry? Can you please elaborate.

Take the slots out of Resilience, the bonus isn't worth it. Put them in MoG instead and slot for Defence buff.

Due to the long recharge time of Broadsword, i'd suggest putting in hasten, its an extra 2 Recharge reduction SO's in every attack when its up, and only has a downtime of 65seconds, 3 slotted with recharge reduction.

For PvP, resilience is must have, seeing as it is an auto power, it can't be toggle dropped. So disorients from blappers cannot disorient you, but they can still knock off your Integration and hold you.

How ever for PvE, its not much use except for reducing the time of disorientation after an awaken is used.

Unfortunately most of broadswords heavy hitting attacks have long animation times. But you can have an attack cycle of Headsplitter, Disembowl, Hack and Slice.

Sarge

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Always up for a 1v1

If you intend to PvP, its a must have, jsut for the disorient protection. However if it is just a PvE build, I'd leave it, the resistance isnt worth a power.

Out of curiousity, how many Villains did you guys have? Were always here for a rematch, just send one of us a tell

Just curious as to why you took Consume over Fire blast?

I personally would rearrange your epic powers and get Fire ball at 41, Fire blast at 44 and Fire Shield at 47. For a PvP build anyway, because I doubt you would get much use out of Consume in an Arena or Base Raid.

Good Fight gentlemen, would love to do that more often.