SenseiBlur

You know I'd actually be all for that.

I remember back when City of Heroes had no PVP at all. Those were the golden days. People ran free, nobody had to worry about "balancing issues". Nobody cared if you had a power that could one-shot bosses. Nobody cared aside from hardcore PVEers if content was too easy. Then PVP came along and everyone went whirling into the abyss of nerfs. I remember my own battle cry back in the day was "****, run! Regen lost aggro on the nerf bat!".

In all honesty I'd be perfectly dandy with having the current PVP zones become "Rogue zones" as I dub them. Open PVP would be a thing of the past for City of Heroes. Instead, they add a simple duel system that is added to your list of actions when selecting a person. If that person is the leader of a team and accepts your challenge, his team is toggled for PVP against you until you are dead, and if you lead a team the same will happen for your team towards them until their team leader is dead. Alignment upon entering the zone becomes neutral to all. You can team with anyone regardless of their standing to work towards new goals that would be provided through content along with the PVP changes (post nuclear Warburg anybody?). Some missions might have you competing with another team to reach a goal first. Some missions might have three teams all fighting each other trying to capture/save (your choice of course) some NPC that lies in the middle of the map and bring him back to your starting point to win. Enemies would of course line the map so you have to fight your way in.

PVP in the open-world sense of the word would be 100% gone. PVP would officially become what it is right now.... a minority. However, instead of removing it completely it would finally accent the rest of the game like every other play style currently does. Once all that was done the devs could finally focus on things that matter like PVE balancing, PVE content, social content, world events, etc etc.

Ahh dearest pipe dreams.

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I must admit. That is quite bad ***.

Once again, I have never played WoW. All of my teams move very quickly when I tank, and putting people in risk of death constantly is not my idea of efficiency. When I am a healer, I most definitely DO NOT want to have to spread massive amounts of heals between a blaster that doesn't like waiting for the tank, a scrapper who thinks he is a tank and taunts a number of mobs onto himself etc. and so forth. When I'm a damage dealer I could obviously care less as it's often not my job to worry about keeping aggro or keeping people alive.

Are there situations where you don't need a tank taking all the shots? Of course. But those are exceptions to the rule ((i.e. full team of blasters, half blasters half defenders.. etc etc). Even in those situations it is very nice to have somebody soaking up a majority of the damage.

Team composition is very important when it comes down to "what's needed for this", as are levels of mobs, types of mobs, types of damage, crowd control available to said mobs. It's all just very unpredictable and not having a generally balanced team (I use this term loosely to mean "Someone to soak damage, some to do damage, and some to heal or help mitigate damage that does come in") will cause problems here and there some less important than others. This is where I'll end the argument because both of us are getting into silly semantics and derailing the thread further than it needed to go.

After the discussion, I seriously doubt either of us would get along and I'm pretty sure you know that full well. I've never once played WoW and I have no idea how tanking is done there, nor do I care.

I realize perfectly well what the pool was intended for, and if they haven't gotten it there in 6+ years then that's a shame. Honestly, the earlier suggestion of removing the single enemy taunt sounded good to me, replacing that (possibly the single target fear) with two different powers would shake things up quite well. As it is, there's no need to change or swap around the place provoke is in, and certainly no reason to change it. That was my entire point and all I ever took a position on in this thread.

If you have an issue with my position, tough luck eh? We simply won't agree on the issue, that much should have been clear awhile ago.

I don't consider people who are actively attempting to be ay holes a "playstyle", nor do I consider people doing things for which they don't know better a "playstyle" (I suppose it could be considered a playstyle actually... just not one that I recognize as valid). That is the people I put down (mostly the former, because the latter are more often than not willing to learn or doing new things for the sake of doing them and have no malicious intentions). Do not take my words out of the context they are in and we're peachy. The only "playstyle" I have commented on is people taunting off tanks when they have no business doing so. I explained that in full detail already so have your fun, I have nothing else to add to it really.

By the hammer of Zeus; your grammar is so atrocious that I have to wonder what you're truly trying to say sometimes.

Think about that for a second. Many melee powers have a range of 7 feet. If the range of force bubble is a mere 15 feet, it will be mostly useless aside from your proposed 25% damage debuff which is quite massive in itself...

Not to mention it would completely change the very purpose of force bubble. Instead of keeping people out of melee you'd be running around trying to debuff everyone's damage.

I still can't agree on this at all. As I mentioned before half the range it has now with double the current effects would be ideal for making it a more useful power in my opinion. They would then be inside dispersion bubble and force bubble effectively.

"And anyone who taunts off of a tank that is not a tank -is- a moron in most cases"

I stand by my statement. As far as your comments, my opinion is that there are far better ways to build fury and as an avid MM player I would never take a taunt. I don't see the reasoning in saying that classes are "Capable of handling aggro". I don't really care and that was never a factor. A defender could be perfectly "capable" of handling aggro but unless they are the designated tank they do not need or deserve to have aggro when they could be focusing their attentions elsewhere for far greater productivity and I'm going to fight them for that aggro whenever possible.

I rarely have issues with people I play with unless they're deliberately trying to get aggro so they can brag about it (I.E. "Lawl i pulled a minion off the tank cuz i do so much dmg im so leet" thankfully this is rare as I said).

Your assumptions really have no meaning until you actually teamed with me and see for yourself. Unless every single one of your powers caused enemies to go ape-**** and start attacking people at random while being immune to taunt.... I really honestly wouldn't care. Even confuse doesn't bother me past the loss of experience. If something is moving, I want it's aggro on me. If it's controlled, dandy, but if it wakes up, it will be on me some way or another. That's my philosiphy. I rarely even say a word in teams I don't know, I just do my thing.

Do you often attack people on their playstyles then take the high road as if you aren't doing exactly what you're asking?

....did I say it was needed? No. I simply said that -I- enjoy and use provoke (and have for years) and get compliments daily for my aggro control. Did I suggest it was fact? No. I stated specifically that -I- use it to "Maximize anger directed at my face". It's obviously my desire, thank you for pointing that out since everyone else had already realized I was stating my opinion.

I tank perfectly well without your advice and picking apart my style thank you. And anyone who taunts off of a tank that is not a tank -is- a moron in most cases, that is -my- opinion and you can disagree if you like, but don't insult me because I like having aggro on everything including the most dangerous ones.

You asked why I took provoke as a tank and I told you. (Edit: Or he did rather, you seem to be the one having issues with my style of tanking)

Mainly because I can't hit entire groups with a single taunt. I taunt this half with taunt.... this half with provoke. There's also plenty of morons out there that think it's funny to taunt off the tank so I have to grab things back constantly. There's also plenty of people who run off and grab a second group that I have to then grab as well. There's just endless uses for a second taunt as a tanker.

I'm one of those people when tanking I actually tank. I want everything beating my face in instead of my teammates, even the minions. It bothers me when I see tanks grab the boss and let the rest of enemy groups run wild and cause chaos.

I agree with this as well. There's also costume pieces only available to NPCs in the AE that I've noticed as well that would be pretty amazing if able to be used by us.

"The devs won't do" followed by whatever message is speaking for the devs. In other words, attempting to blow smoke to weakly intimidate the other person into going "OH NO! The devs won't do that? I should be quiet..."

I've been done with this thread for quite awhile as the discussion of naruto dwindled my interest in the subject greatly. My ninja MM will just continue to collect dust while I bring him out to solo mission for fun every now and again.

You're a little late for boarding the downer train; That left years ago and I stopped worrying about people riding it.

A more effective third tier pet in all respects to the current one is not simply "aesthetic" though that's certainly integrated into the overall change.

As a random side note, it's always an amusing when someone speaks for the devs.

And if left up to PVP'ers nobody would say anything, there would be no lore, everyone would just jump into a pit and kill each other.

If left up to hardcore PVE'ers things would give short epic phrases such as "Bring it". They would all be max level, surrounded by 40 boss minions that would chime in "Yeah, bring it!" shortly after. The battle would be glorious and thanks to leet skills the PVE'ers would prevail.

There, now that single-label stereotypes are out of the way.... kindly go **** yourself

It seems viable for the sentinels, the first tier is mainly the one that didn't jibe too well. Unless the first tier look like porcupines and the spines that cover them are sharp enough to pierce literally anything of course.

Haha.... countersigned =P

I don't find that badass at all unfortunately. In fact I find it quite silly. The way I see Naruto is basically Dragonball Z pretending it's a "ninja".

What I find badass is Zatoichi (either the old version or the remake, take your pick).

That one I'll grant you. I don't know about the taunting but there were definitely assassins employed by the shogun, I suppose that could be considered public.