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Quote:so if this is pvp then, it should have DR, HD, super TS, and power rebalancing ported to it, right?Originally Posted by Steelclaw
So, as always there are those who complain that PvP in CoH is either broken or practically non-existent. When I read these posts I laugh to myself while bemusedly shaking my head and sipping my refreshing beverage. Nothing could be further from the truth! There is a Player Vs Player system in City of Heroes which is alive and well...
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Quote:neglect of certain game areas isn't important right nowOriginally Posted by Voided_Soul
To be perfectly honest, i wouldn't even dicuss this as a bonus to anything PvP, the devs might turn around and say they did this for PvP'rs, as part of the smokescreen of"we did this & that for you" instead of actually doing something.
If anything should be discussed, it should be the complete lack of anything metioned for PvP, or many other neglected areas of the game for the next two issues.
theres a possibility that i20 is animated faces
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Quote:No.Originally Posted by firespray
The developers really just need to leave PvP alone.
i think implementing a system that is understandable, implemented with player feedback, and uses logic and common sense would entice current pvpers to pvp more often. really anything other than what we do know, hence everyone suggesting a reversion to i12 since, you're right, the devs will likely not visit pvp again and a reversion would make everyone alot happier. pre i13 wasn't perfect, but atleast it was the same as pve and made alot more sense than this system does.Quote:Originally Posted by firespray
Nothing they do is likely to entice any people who don't currently PvP to do so, and it's likely they will drive off some of the people that currently like it if they change it. -
Quote:this also makes it alot easier for veats to get second leadership for stalker griefing, or if they didn't already have it, chances are they probably dropped something like sj/ss to get it, either way you'll see an overall increase in performance of stalker hunters.Originally Posted by AresSupreme
This.
you'll see a lot more phase shift, and that will be the most noticeable thing. Other than that, not a big deal. Besides if everyone has phase it kinda cancels out the point of phase.
Also could someone tell me why xanatos is in this http://www.cityofheroes.com/global/u...bk_issue12.jpg
the "never get kills" comment was a bit over the top, but it does making building pvp toons exponentially easier in an already easy game/system. -
building for defense is pointless.
traps sucks, and ff defender is only good for disruption with kb/repel,
the mm blaster is the best out of the 4 (that isn't saying much) but even then paired with anything other than fire/sonic/psy, you're setting yourself up for a craptastic toon. -
the blaster and corr versions are AoEs and the scrapper version is ST. although this doesn't have anything to do with one being better than the other as much as the effects do. the blaster version has -fly AND -jump(as well as tank/broot versions) were as the corr and scrap version are just -fly
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Quote:theseOriginally Posted by B_Witched
1. Since the pvp code changes which introduced travel supresion, heal decay and dimished returns were such a success in pvp, when will they be implemented in PVE code to smooth the experience across zones?
2. Is there any possibility of getting arena settings that would allow PVP players to use the game mechanics from pre i13?
3. Will anyone ever look at base raiding as it has been disabled for several issues now? -
elec control is horribad. it does no damage and the only thing it would have going for it is sapping which it doesn't do well or rather it doesn't do as well as other things.
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Quote:because its the only thing we have a definite view on?Originally Posted by spice_weasel
seconded. given everything else up for discussion the only thing worth 800 posts and 40 pages is fitness?
something seems off here....
*notices the toilet is draining ...Backwards
*everyone seems to have a goatee...even the women
Damn you Cole! what have you done to primal earth!
what else was announced? everything in the Q&A and was we might work on that sometime soon (TM)
all the excitement people had for i19 is now aimed at i20 since i19 looks like its going to be the same as patch 15.
and no one knows anything about i20 except that there is one so thats all speculation.
the fitness change is the only thing we really know for sure atleast until we can see a video transcript of pax and see what the devs actually said instead of an overview. -
Quote:it really doesn't. taunt and webnadez/fossilze. its pretty amazing how stupidly easy it is to pvp with one (and by extension, every other AT)Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
*shrugs* Takes more than that, to do anything with a Tank, PvP
as for your OP, i got the impression that you were infact implying that that way of play was wrong, rather that we are all idiots for not having a concept and Rping. -
Quote:its 10 pieces probably get 1 in i19 and 2 in 20. (which if its anything like i15 which people are thinking, will take 20 minutes to do and be completely stupid). the entire thing might be finished by 2013.Originally Posted by NinjaHavoc
issue 19 or 20, i forgot
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Quote:I think this pretty much sums up why people min/max and don't like to RP.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
Little reason except maybe..."RP" "Concept" "Fun" "Character Broadning/Development" You know. Those little things.
Sure, there'll be people who'll always min-max everything, and will take powers that make no sense within the framework of their characters (then again, some people don't even build enough of a framework of concept or character to have those "limitations" in the first place. To quote a broadcast I saw last night in praetoria on Virtue: "So, which has the better pop on this server in this game, Heroes or Villains, cause I'm about to hit 20 later today and I don't want to gimp myself by picking the wrong side." I didn't bother to try to explain that, if mechanics is all you looked at, it didn't matter cause you could switch without too much work, or be a tourist and go to both...but...*shrugs* if that's fun for them, I guess it works.
Personally I'll be taking Superspeed (because it's RP-appropriate, even though I have fly as my main TP, and I dropped it in favor of taking hand clap back a while ago), RPD because it's the final power in my primary powerset, and probably either Group Fly for RP concept, or Combat Jumping which also fits, but is a bit more about the extra power.
It's worth noting what someone can do with Vengence or whatever, but not everyone even uses the leadership pool, because it's not thematic, or they don't want the end drain. I doubt even 20% of the players think like you. I can bet money 20% of the ones on Virtue don't.
this really doesn't mean anything. since assuming you're talking about a tank, since you mentioned RPD, all you need to pvp is taunt and hp.Quote:Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I'm an RPer and a Concept builder, but I also have an amazingly good build who also CAN PvP fairly well, if I choose to. -
Quote:it'd be nice to hear a dev say this so I can stop hoping for anything related to the subject every time a new issue is announced.Originally Posted by PeerlessGirl
I was going to say "the other true part of the post was "bitter PvPers don't realize they're bitter". But I don't have to, this post proves that for me.
My standard response to this stuff is "This game has PvP in it?" Of course I know it does, I've even done it on occasion, but the running joke is, CoX does not have PvP. The sooner the hardcore PvPers accept that, and either find something else to like about the game, or find a new game, the sooner we can all get on to important issues, like animated hair, and more RP emotes. :P -
off the top of my head, blasters can get phase, veats now have an easier time getting double leadership, tanks and broots can get perception and earth mastery.
easier game becomes easier. -
Quote:Originally Posted by PlanetKiller
This thread:
-Typical Dev stroking for adding a small change that should of been added ages ago
-Typical bitter pvpers/people not understanding that they are just bitter pvpers
-People insulting/flaming people for attempting to have an opinion/critiquing what so many of you consider to be a "perfect game", even while said person is obviously trying to back out of the argument
-No pvp news
i am dissapointorly? so there was pvp news at pax and they just forgot to mention it in this thread? thats good for a moment i thought the devs were just going to curl it under the rug like they have been for the past 5 issues.Quote:Originally Posted by Jetpack
The only correct part of this post.Quote:Originally Posted by PlanetKiller
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Quote:because the topic doesn't matter that much?Originally Posted by OPTICAL_ILLUSION
the only thing juvenile is that you are here to insult me and not really contribute to the topic.
there isn't really anything wrong with it. it just another way to acquire something. is it suppose to be a better way to get them? no but it is another route for those who wish to take it. -
Quote:nope mids and in game are relatively close. i just don't think the devs will change it. for the obvious reasons.Originally Posted by Nicetry
They seem to stay relatively on top of correcting powers that are doing more/incorrect damage based on their pvp damage formula. That's about the only thing they change.
Specifically CS (for scrappers) is doing at least 100-200 extra base damage. Focused burst is doing ~50 too much base damage. The aoe's aren't using the gutted aoe formula and iirc body blow and smashing blow are reversed in terms of pvp damage.
Sure some other sets still have lingering inaccuracies in their pvp numbers, but KM (for scrappers) currently has more incorrect powers than correct ones.
-granted I'm using mids to check the pvp damages. They may be off from the ingame numbers for all I know as I haven't bothered to check. -
Quote:because the devs change pvp so often?Originally Posted by Nicetry
Take a look at the pvp numbers for scrapper KM. They are off on most of the powers. Expect changes.
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Quote:that is not the only way to do. it is just that, one way (and quite frankly not the most effective).Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
it's not just O_I, it's almost every PvP'er on the forums bringing it up that way. the only way to do this would be to set up it's own server that no one could transfer to or from. but we all know that the PvP community is not big enough to support the resources to do this. remember, this game was not built with PvP. it was an after thought. not trying to be argumentative, but it is time to give up with the sarcasm and negative attention grabbing on the forums about PvP. it hasn't worked in 5 issues and will not work going forward.
I edit the last post after you quoted by i'll reiterate. its not about expecting a massive overhaul, its about how the dev team has treated the community, or rather hasn't acknowledged them at all which is what is triggering all the negativity (treat others as you want to be treated and all that jazz). there is a quick and semi effective "quick fix" to pvp that could be rolled into any issue, the devs just chose not to go that route, even though thats what the community wants. -
Quote:you could easily set it up to have said toon travel to each pvp zone, or even set up a tram in each pvp zone closing of the normal exits to those toons. or they could just set it so that you can travel in pve zones but all your powers are disabled, like in walk or something like that. as well as allowing you toon to slot anything after you're done picking the powers and slotting the slots. again, if they use even a small amount of thought, they could do something like this correctly.Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
ok, so are you going to pick which zone to get stuck in? and how about those io's you don't have and can't slot? and infl? yeah right. can't get that either. so you have an io'less, infl'less toon that does no good in PvP. yeah, i don't see that being a bad thing.
yea, O_I does it in probably the least respectable way as possible, but you can't honetly say that the pvp comm is just as well off by shutting the hell up and dealing with a broken system as they are bringing it up as much as possible and trying to get a change. this isn't about doing pvp correctly, yea it would be time consuming but alot of people aren't asking for an overhaul, just a reversion which would be the easiest thing to do and make the most sense. the real problem is the ignoring of a playerbase for 5 issues now which you're only going to have a chance at getting back by being vocal. -
Quote:what would be so bad about it on live? literally all the character would be good for is pvpOriginally Posted by Sharker_Quint
uh.. probably because they don't want people whining and crying to put it live? just a guess but i'll bet it's darn close to what they are thinking.
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Quote:I really don't understand why people would be against this.Originally Posted by Sharker_Quint
umm.... yeah. i doubt you had anything to do with them. and guess what? they are not going to give you an automatic 50 button with free io's to PvP. nice dream though.
i mean just make it so that said character couldn't hold infulence, enter a pve zone nor participate in any pve content and essentially shut the character off from anything pve related. it be a nice "we're sorry" for getting absolutely no support from the dev team for 4 issues. if nothing else, it'd be nice to have this on test (since thats were alot of pvp happens now anyway) -
Quote:awsum. thanks for the clarification.Originally Posted by Castle
Yes, they are enhanceable and you can add up to 5 additional slots to them, just like the current versions. The powers are all available either at level 1 or 2 (I forget at the moment) -- no waiting 'til 20 for Stamina.
now about pvp....
EDIT: im completely serious in asking this though. is there anything you can say about it that wasn't mention in this thread from the panel? anything? if there are going to be fixes in the next 2 issues? if not why? if not some kind of overhaul, can we atleast have bug fixes? do you know pvp exists? literally any word on the subject would be greatly appriciated by the pvp community.
please
something
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Quote:yes they drop in pvp, but thats itOriginally Posted by EU_Damz
Well since they dont DROP in PvE and they have more benefits in PvP than PvE, if you want the technical answer
they have more benifit in pve (every bonus short of range and recov bonuses are nerfed to **** by DR and are pointless) and they exemp down in pve. there is really no point in calling them pvp ios anymore. it was a dev failed attempt to improve pvp(if not, it was just a bad idea in general). they should either stop calling them pvp ios and give them a purp-ish drop rate in pve, fix the pvp drop rate, or fix pvp.
having pvp rewards earnable in pve is a really stupid idea anyway.
I do agree that purple recipes are a bit much. having them on par with respec recipes in the 10-15 merit range is fair. Or you could give them a small chance to drop when you do the random rolls. -
real bad and from the sound of pax isn't going to be dealt with till atleast i21 which probably isn't going to happen.