Obsidian_Force2

I have watched Mr Enigma's build in action, It's very very good all the things a soul sucking machiene needs and more.

I also do not have enough experience to give advice on PB builds comfortably, but I will throw in what I advise everyone of when building for some (or alot) of the set bonuses.

If you slot all level 50's (sets) and regularly exemp below level 47 for TF's, Oz missions, or helping out lowbies, be warned you will lose all your set bonuses.

I know everyone says "I hardly ever exemp, so I wanna get the best %'s I can" but the truth is after you hit 50 "alot" of the content you will do in the game will be TF's and missions that drop you under level 47 (perhaps even more so after I16 and super sidekicking).

If you truely do not plan to do much other than ITF/STF/Khan/LGTF and a few others, or if your set bonuses are not that important to your build, then go ahead and get them 50's.

But if your builds set bonuses are important to you then concider carefully what your particular style of play involves and what levels you most commonly find yourself playing in and buy sets in THAT range.

I almost did not post here but I think credit where it's due should be given.

I think it's a very well done, insightfull, and usefull guide to the human form WS.

The only bit I dissagreed with was this.

I would agree.

With a well slotted eclipse none of the shields are really needed, and on a human only build I can see Leadership being very usefull. But as he said if your switching forms leadership will just get in the way. I suggest taking things to mule LoTG 7.5% recharges. Combat jump and anything with defence are good picks after level 38.

I do not believe anyone dissagrees with that and to the best of my knowledge nobody has ever said "everyone should build/play like THIS".

What they ARE doing is saying "This combination of powers/styles will on average for (most) players will generate better results."

And the responce we usually get from some folks on the boards is "Thats not true in every case so what your saying is wrong."

Were not saying anyone should min/max their build only that if min/maxxing is your goal there simply are some things that will produce better results than others, they will produce better results both on paper and in the "field" as well, thats all.

The build possibilities of somebody trying to get maxximum effectiveness are much, much more limited than what you will commonly read on these particular forums.

We do NOT want everyone required to build one way and one way only, what we do want is for people looking for the best efficiency to be able to come to the forums and EASILY find the information their looking for without a half dozen posters making unrelated arguements to muddy the waters with disscussions about how not everyone builds for efficency, or damage, or that it's all about the fun and maxxing a build isn't needed.

This sort of information in no way tells anyone they HAVE to build like this or else. The people who are not interested in the information can ignore it totaly or partially to their preferance, but the type of derailment I see in these forums leave people who do want to min/max a build confused and missled by the sheer number of posts that simply are not contributing to help find the best way to min/max their build.

Maybe it's partly that posters asking questions are not specific enough in what they want from the start but when somebody asks "How do I do this?" I read it as asking for the most efficient way, not the most fun way, or the best way without using powers x, y and z unless they specify so.

And even if they do specify not using some powers I will still most likely briefly point out what their losing by skipping them (unless they seem to already know what they will be missing or seem particularly knowledgeable of the game) just so they are totaly aware of what they will be missing, not to push them into building my way but just so they can make a totaly informed decision.

If they wanna build a different way than suggested it does not bother me in the least because their making a fully informed decision, but to not mention what they will (in my opinion) be missing out on I think is doing a disservice to the person asking for advice.

Edit: I will say AlienOne is correct about there being no "One" build for every situation, but there IS one build that will best cover the most situations possible (I do not think it has not been found yet as nobody has run enough scenerios) but the fact some people might not like some of the specifics of this build (such as power X or slotting choice Z) in no way makes it not the most effective choice, it does however make it less effective to that specific person because they hate it and will probably avoid using it to best effect because of personal dislike.

It's only not as effective to them by choice not because it won't actually produce better results. And this is fine too, so long as it's recognized as such.

It does indeed require a hit check on each mob in the PBAOE.

I would mainly concern myself with accuracy, recharge and some ressistance when slotting that.

Common Io's I might use 1-2 accuracys, 2-3 recharges, and 2-3 ressists or some similar configuration

Using sets I like Efficacy Adapter acc/recharge and acc/recharge/end mod along with any 2 or 3 recharge/ressists from the various ressist sets.

My two cents..

Thanks Squidster!

I honestly thought him having me on ignore would remove the need for arguements but sadly all it has done is allow him to continue to take shots at me in thread after thread without having to take return fire. Dandy.

Lets review.

Because I believe some powers perform better than others and that some builds outperform others I am a nazi who thinks everyone has to build as I command. Even though...

I prefer everyone builds what they want but would prefer that everyone know that some combinations of powers will give them an advantage over builds lacking these, which makes me something like a religious zealot. Because...

I think everyone should know this sort of information so they make informed decisions on what they truely want out of their build. Which makes me elitist?

Please, I'm elitist because I believe my views are correct?
Do any of you think your views are incorrect? If you did you would find other views right?
By this definition is anyone not elitist?
Would I still be elitist if I believed just as strongly but had the same opinions as "The One"?

Please... I'm not supportive enough of ideas I believe to be wrong? Yes , because everyone supports things they do not agree with. Build however you like it makes no difference to me." isn't enough because i'm not saying "wow thats great, I love how you six slotted brawl, thats a really clever Idea."

Replying to a poster asking how they should build their Kheldian because their having a hard time with it with "Whatever you come up with will be grand because it's all about the fun and concept builds *smiley**wink**smiley*" or "This is the challenge build I'm using because Khelds have gotten too easy for my superior play skillz lol lovin it lol" is not being supportive it's being a tool. They came to the forums because they need build/figures/information help support not hugs and stories about the awesome thing you did last week and made a video of.

And conversly my bluntly pointing out what I honestly believe to be flaws in the build I'm seeing is not me being an unhelpfull zealot, nazi, elitist *******.

Ok, I'll cop to leaning a bit to the zealot because I am pretty sure I am right, but unlike another poster (who says nothing I can ever say will change his thinking he is correct) If somebody can show me how I am wrong in a way I can grasp I'm more than willing to change my thinking as I did when I asked Darkstar to help me improve my build. She showed me things I hadn't thought of personaly and it led to a semi-large change in my build/playstyle (which has turned out remarkably well).

Nazi? Really? Your really going to use THAT word?

Elitist? Yes thats a great word for anyone who would like to see information distributed to everyone for the benifit of everyone.

I'm not the one hung up on my own awesome button, I do not need to post pics of my set bonuses and video myself to prove my coolness to others.

I do not need to set somebody on ignore so that I can continue to take shots at them in thread after thread.

I do not need to make freakout posts where I tell people to "go **** themselves because they obviously need it".

I do not need to list a link in my sig called "Best Post EVER" that leads directly to some attempted insult I made at another person who wasn't even involved in that thread.

I do not need to start up three different threads about the "tests" i'm doing to let all my fans know i'm still ok.

I could go on, but I just remembered I'm the meanie and AlienOne is the nice kind selfless saint of the Kheldian forums....

Please..

I tire of people being told "I don't like it or agree with it but to each their own" and somehow confusing it with "I hate it and It's wrong wrong wrong and everyone must agree with me because I am a (insert evil historical organization here)".

But even more so I am tired of people who like in a mathmatics class discussing if numericly 2 is greater than 1 suddenly spout out 1 is greater because it is more fun and prettier and easier to work with and then derail the discussion with a philisophical arguement on subjective reality simply because they like 1 better and do not want anyone discussing anything that could actually point out that in reality 2 is always numericly greater than 1 no matter what circumstances you apply to it, but then again some people honestly believe what they have to say is so very important that it needs to be said no matter how out of place that particular bit of philisophical opinion is pertaining to the discussion at hand.

But what do I know i'm just a nazi...

I got curious so I checked my main Kheldians.

Obsidian Force (50 WS)
Patrol: 1612
Hours: 1923

Gypsy Star (47 WS)
Patrol: 800
Hours: 609

Lady Quasar (44 PB)
Patrol: 604
Hours: 661

I wouldn't actually say suffer (somebody get "The One" oxygen he might faint here.)
as 90% of the game you will do fine in human only land, what the great debate is about (for me), is that remaining 10% of the game where the forms provide options you need in that small portion of the game and "IF" the benifit you get for using the forms in the other 90% is worthwhile.

To me it is, I like being able to finish spawns faster with higher damage and more AOE attacks and being able to tank without fear of status effects from large groups of mobs.

Others believe the shapechanging takes too much time away from the attack chains and that makes up for the difference in damage scaler and is worth having to pop breakfrees now and then.

In the end you will have to decide for yourself because both sides are deeply entrenched in their veiws and cannot even agree on a criteria to establish baseline points to compaire.

In all honesty if you really want a forum to make informed decisions based on numbers and facts, at this point I would reccomend making any other AT and looking into their forums, or barring that find similar powers in other AT sets that do basicly the same thing (Incandecent and KO Blow from SS for example) and use that information from other forums to form opinions on the various powers, as I do not believe you will find the concrete answers your looking for here.

I will also point out (if only for the possibility of finaly causing that stroke I have been hoping for) that Alienone or "The One" is compiling his prefered methods and styles and build advice on human only play and he actually has a pretty good take on that style of play.

Good luck.

And yet if you exclude tanking and damage dealing, what role can a Kheldian truely fill on a team? None. They simply are not designed to as they do not have enough of the powers used to do the roles your talking about. This is not in my opinion a developer oversight but a planned level of performance.