Does Eclipse Need Accuracy?


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Hey, just wondering if I should slot accuracy into eclipse or not because I don't think I've ever seen anyone mention it in their slotting for the power. Thanks!


 

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It does indeed require a hit check on each mob in the PBAOE.

I would mainly concern myself with accuracy, recharge and some ressistance when slotting that.

Common Io's I might use 1-2 accuracys, 2-3 recharges, and 2-3 ressists or some similar configuration

Using sets I like Efficacy Adapter acc/recharge and acc/recharge/end mod along with any 2 or 3 recharge/ressists from the various ressist sets.

My two cents..


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Eclipse requires a tohit check and in my opinion should always be slotted for accuracy. Some people don't and they've argued that it's not necessary if one always uses Mire first to buff their tohit. However, since these powers have different base recharge (Mire 120 secs, Eclipse 300 secs) coordinating them to have consistent simul-recharge will be pretty near impossible. Waiting to fire off a vital power because it's dependant on another power to hit anything seems rather a waste.

Suggested slotting - two acc, three rech. Or two acc, two rech, two res. For sets, try a pair of any endmod set with rech/acc and frankenslot as many resistance set res/rech as you can spare the slots for.


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Yes it is definately in need of accuracy, even with my build having 90%+ global accuracy I have a single accuracy IO in Eclipse.

The rest of the power I slot with res/rech IO's out of the various sets, with my emphasis on maxing recharge, then getting as much resistance and accuracy as possible.

I don't like the idea of using Sunless Mire before Eclipse, but not for timing reasons like Rainbow Avenger, more because Sunless Mire can get you killed!

Disclaimer: I used to run without accuracy in Eclipse and it worked fine, when surrounded by enough mobs you will still hit the 5 required to cap a well slotted Eclipse, but it is when you are not totally surrounded that the accuracy becomes an issue. If you have just turned 38 and picked Eclipse I would slot recharge into the first 3 slots, then work on accuracy and resistance based on how many targets you find yourself hitting. If you are hitting 6 targets regularly you can probably get away without accuracy if you are tight on slots.


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Eclipse requires Accuracy for sure, however, on my TriFormShade™, I had dedicated my Eclipse to DmgResist and EndMod (using frankenslotting) and initiated most attacks with Black Dwarf Mire followed by Eclipse, then Sunless Mire then everything else. This essentially allowed me to worry about accuracy only in Black Dwarf Mire and other slotting factors in my other PBAoE powers.


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I don't like the idea of using Sunless Mire before Eclipse, but not for timing reasons like Rainbow Avenger, more because Sunless Mire can get you killed!
This is a good point here. If you do happen to have Mire and Eclipse up at the same time, Eclipse first!


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I don't like the idea of using Sunless Mire before Eclipse, but not for timing reasons like Rainbow Avenger, more because Sunless Mire can get you killed!
This is a good point here. If you do happen to have Mire and Eclipse up at the same time, Eclipse first!
Another fine reason to start with Black Dwarf Mire, especially if your Warshade — like mine — doesn't have the shields.


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Another fine reason to start with Black Dwarf Mire, especially if your Warshade — like mine — doesn't have the shields.
I am still to chicken to do that lol


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I am still to chicken to do that lol
It feels awesome!!! Come on in, the water's just nice and warm and the Black Dwarves are sittin'pretty

Seriously though, I would never attempt this, or recommend this to any Warshade that did not spec their Black Dwarf properly, so I understand where the apprehension may be coming from. If however your Black Dwarf has at least 58% damage-resist, and its Black Dwarf Drain is slotted to heal you — you know, just in case you think you need it — and Black Dwarf Mire is aggressively slotted, I recommend you give it a try... it can be quite an amazing stunt and with the proper keybinds in place the flow of BD-Mire/Eclipse/Sunless-Mire is quite amazing.


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Eclipse requires a tohit check and in my opinion should always be slotted for accuracy. Some people don't and they've argued that it's not necessary if one always uses Mire first to buff their tohit. However, since these powers have different base recharge (Mire 120 secs, Eclipse 300 secs) coordinating them to have consistent simul-recharge will be pretty near impossible. Waiting to fire off a vital power because it's dependant on another power to hit anything seems rather a waste.

Suggested slotting - two acc, three rech. Or two acc, two rech, two res. For sets, try a pair of any endmod set with rech/acc and frankenslot as many resistance set res/rech as you can spare the slots for.

I built QM on the other premise - i.e. mire first then Eclipse which was a concious decision from the outset - slotting 3 rech 3 dam res which tbh is probably overkill on the dam res (its also the same reason my Quasar has no accuracy slotted - if your doing one you may as well use the same strategy for the other) - it does mean that smaller mobs are required to cap res so even if it is necessary to hit eclipse without mire being recharged it is still likely to hit sufficient foes to cap it. It's not guaranteed and is definitely a riskier strategy but I haven't found many problems.
I can't say I've found any problems of firing the mire off getting enough aggro to drop me before hitting eclipse unless its a mez heavy group where I may be mezzed before firing eclipse off - usually if thats the case its before firing the mire and so reversing the order wouldn't make any difference anyway - the shields and cloak definitely help here. QM is human form which is more likely to have the shields chosen and slotted.
I would probably suggest some acc slotted might be a safer strategy for a build without shields though.
If you are planning fighting +5 mobs on a regular basis definitely go for the accuracy though.

The other thing to bear in mind is the use of sets for +acc would reduce the need for slotting acc in eclipse even if you don't use mire first.


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Why do I always see these messages when I'm at work?!

Remind me on Thursday to send you the binds, or post them in the forum. Maybe if we manage to sticky the binds people will get used to seeing them and adopt them as an integral part of being a shape-shifting Kheldian!
A Kheldian Binding Guide might not be a bad idea, either - one that covers not just the binds themselves, but strategies and examples.

I'll volunteer to do the work to compile/write it, so long as it gets universal contribution. Tell ya what - I'll start a thread with some binds and accompanying strategies that I use, and everyone is invited to contribute if they choose, any resulting "guide" that gets compiled then becomes OUR guide and not just MY guide.

And of course it goes without saying that if someone else wants to write a guide and get credit then win! I have absolutely zero interest in setting myself up as some "Kheldian bind strategy guru guy who wrote a guide." I just volunteered because I'm mildly proficient with writing and actually enjoy it. Anyone else has one in progress, already done, or always wanted to do it feel free to speak up. (There's always Hardball's guide to /bind, but I'm thinking something more tactical in nature an specific to Kheldians)

Either way, I'll start the thread rolling and we'll see where it ends up. Besides, it would be good to see something that we can show some solidarity on.


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I employed some search-fu and found one of my old posts with my keybind layout, and added some explanations to it about self-teleport in Human/Dwarf forms and how I perform the Mire/Eclipse/Mire/Nova maneuver with my keybind layout. I'll try to concentrate on Ascendantia's (PB) tactics next.


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A Kheldian Binding Guide might not be a bad idea, either - one that covers not just the binds themselves, but strategies and examples.

I'll volunteer to do the work to compile/write it, so long as it gets universal contribution. Tell ya what - I'll start a thread with some binds and accompanying strategies that I use, and everyone is invited to contribute if they choose, any resulting "guide" that gets compiled then becomes OUR guide and not just MY guide.

And of course it goes without saying that if someone else wants to write a guide and get credit then win! I have absolutely zero interest in setting myself up as some "Kheldian bind strategy guru guy who wrote a guide." I just volunteered because I'm mildly proficient with writing and actually enjoy it. Anyone else has one in progress, already done, or always wanted to do it feel free to speak up. (There's always Hardball's guide to /bind, but I'm thinking something more tactical in nature an specific to Kheldians)

Either way, I'll start the thread rolling and we'll see where it ends up. Besides, it would be good to see something that we can show some solidarity on.
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