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Personally, I value them to be about 75 mil each. This assumes that you can purchase a recipe every 2 A-Merits for an expected value of 150 mil. This translates into 150 mil / 2 = 75 mil.

At 75 mil sustainable, it would take 40 A-Merits to obtain the 3 billion you'd need for the money to buy a GA proc.

Fulmens probably has the exact worth of an A-Merit laying around somewhere, though be forewarned, it most likely has to do with complicated maths and I'm sure it factors in the flexibility of a triple-jointed squirrel in the equation.

I am more and more disappointed with the random rolls. Merits or A-Merits, there just seems to be so much junk. My last roll was my "best" roll so far. I broke even on buying the A-Merit (if you completely ignore the reward merit cost). I got that from 1 recipe. The other 4 capped at 1 mil for the recipe or 2-3 mil for the enhancement. Not even worth the time to craft them and sell em for a loss. That was a level 50 rolling in the 35-39 range.

I'm considering switching to buying recipes outright, but I see the "good" markets dropping and I'm not sure where to stick my bet.

*shrug* Perhaps I will start hoarding these now as well and save them up for some fictional toon I may make at some point that won't get them spent on them anyways because "what if I REALLY need them for something else?!"

I've had too much coffee this morning. Does it show?

This comes up every now and then. Mostly when someone throws out the idea for inf sinks.

Last night, it occurred to me that we can in fact buy market slots... after a fashion.

With 5 badges giving an additional transaction, you can essentially "buy" those slots, though not as easily as just buying a token or the like.

Here's the "cost" assuming you want your slots ASAP!

First, we pick a piece of salvage that has a lot for sale and a lot bidding. This way, when we list the ones we bought for 1 inf, they sell right away and allow us to move on to the next stack.

The badges are at 250, 1k, 3k, 5k, and 7k. So we've got some work to do to get our market slots!

If you bid 1 inf and patiently wait for those bids to fill over the next few months, you can break even on everything but the transaction fee. This will "cost" you 70k when its all said and done. But where's the fun in that?!!

So... we crank up the old bid machine and go to town buying anything and everything that we can! We bid 100k on everything! Then list them for 1 inf, guaranteeing us an immediate sale on anything with bids on it! Genius!


This method will end up "costing" you 700,070,000 inf if every order fills for exactly the 1 inf you list them for!

Brilliant!

So... essentially, you "can" purchase market slots. It will cost you somewhere between 70k and 700 mil or so. You can potentially run up the high end past 700 mil. But you can't do it for any less than 70k!

And yes, before the masses descend upon me, you can and *should* be making a profit on these slots, thereby creating the ability to actually get market slots for free, or even at a profit.

But that wasn't the point

Tis true!

I was waiting on the last 2 widgets to fill a 10 stack when I bid on a few new 10 stacks of widgets. Almost all of the new stacks filled before the 2 stack even though they were the same price and the 2 stack was many hours old at the time.

Eryq,

You sound like you feel that people are persecuting you. I don't see it, but I believe your feelings! Your feelings are important and valid!

Do you want a hug?

I'll bid Bob, the NMI - and my warmest personal regards.

Bob can be picked up at any market. There is of course a small "release" fee for picking him up, but its nothing a marketeer can't handle.


I will agree with the perspective thing. I dipped under 2 bil total on all of my characters (flurry of burning / slotting / giving away) and about had a stroke! "But but but... what if I want to slot out a new character?! (knowing that I normally pay no more than 300-400mil for an entire toon)

It has motivated me to start working again. Marketeering on 2 characters now!

I am still completely confused why anyone even gives a **** about salvage. I really am. If it hurts you this much to purchase it from the market... don't buy it there. *boggle*

Go to AE and roll some up. Use your merits and roll some up. Or *gasp* go play the game and get some for free. You have choices here people. Yet, you treat this like the market is the only way to get salvage. Its not. It is the most convenient, and therefore *gasp* you pay more.

Are you the kind of people who go to the local convenience store and ***** out the clerk for the price of their milk / bread / whatever because it costs more than the grocery store?

If you are petitioning for the rights of the poor in a video game, you've got some serious issues that need to be addressed. Its a game. Its not real life and it most definitely not the store or the stock market or anything else that's "real". Its a game.

Most of the people screaming "murder" claim they have money. If you're here to petition for some imaginary person who may or may not have enough money, instead of ******** about it here, why not do something about it? Have you gone out and farmed salvage to increase supply and drive down demand? Have you gone out and identified markets that are being flipped and outbid the flipper by one, turning around and listing yours for 0 profit (Have you flipped the flipper?) Have you offered people a way to make more money in this game? Have you shown them how to save money in this game?

Well?

Doesn't anyone find it odd that the people you are so eager to crucify are the same ones freely giving out advice on how to save money and how to make money, while most of the complainers do nothing of the sort?

If you like, here is an excerpt from my "Keep your Shirt Guide" which outlines why bid creeping salvage is a worthless waste of time:

*LINK*

Salvage is such a small portion of your actual cost of any build that in the end, it really does you no good to even worry about it a little. Why step over a $5 bill to pick up a penny?

Once again, it confuses me to absolutely no end that people get SO up in arms over salvage. It is by far the most worthless thing in this game. Yet people storm in here all huff-and-puff like salvage prices are what drive the economy. They demand the Devs "fix" the system and prevent flippers for "exploiting" the casual players.

Who are these casual players that are being exploited?

Who's out there saying "damn, I wish I didn't have to save up for that Al Silver I need". If this guy exists, how on earth is he going to manage paying the crafting cost? Is there really people out there who are determined to use crafted IOs that have 0 inf to their name? Why aren't these people using SOs? Those are fixed price and have no wait times involved at all. Why are they sitting at the market pondering the price of salvage instead of going out and playing the game?

And why, oh please tell me why, anyone deserves to get exactly what they want, the moment they want it. "I want a house! Someone go build me a house for $5,000 because that's all I can afford! Do it NOW! Kgo! - Oh, and make sure it has 6 bedrooms and a pool! I'm not taking any low end piece of crap! My $ is worth the same as your $!!"

Thank you Doom!

I'm one of like 7 people who didn't buy GR, so the LotG procs are out due to being cost prohibitive. The rest of it looks fine though!

Some minor tweaks and I should be good to go!

Thanks!

Really surprised a certain someone didn't stop in to say "delete" it.

Congrats on your riches btw!!

Looks like about 2 months (almost) since an update to this thread. Not too bad - many guide threads seem to have been forgotten about once they were initially tossed up.

I'd like to throw my 2 guides into the ring, if I may.

Both were made during I18 if that counts for anything

Guide: Low Level, Low Risk, Inf Making! Make Money While you Sleep!

And,

Guide: Market Fu! (Keep your Shirt!)

Thanks!