LarsNL

This.

Another good one if fire/kin, but they both have something to say for them - personally I prefer the ice/kin, but I have both.

On the fire/ I ended up not really using Fire Breath, as it's a cone, since you get Fire Ball instead - much easier. This is an edge over ice/, which doesn't have a targeted AoE like that and on which I make do with Frost Breath as an alternative.
As compensation you get two holds on ice/, one is a bugger since its activation time is like 4 years, so you can write that off along with the snipe (snipes are very situational indeed, but therefore in the big picture rather useless) in fire/ which leaves you with a solid hold on ice/ vs a targeted AoE for fire/. This looks to be in fire's favour.

But let's not forget ice has some neat side effects which will make a difference with the amount of stuff you're throwing around (kin recharge... you throw lots) and then there's the decider: the nuke.

I could write a book on this - "The 3064 ways in which Blizzard shows supremacy over Inferno".
Honestly, Blizzard is a hazard, iirc it's the single most damage per activation power in the game, with FS your combo allows you to pull the most damage from any single power that way and the beauty of Blizzard is its rarely wasted.
Inferno just strikes once and that's it, any excessive damage is voided.
If you hit the mobs (upto its targetcap - another thing Blizzard as a rain doesn't suffer from) for 3 times as much damage as they have HP... well... that sucks, but they're not gonna die more than once.
With Blizzard you just herd mobs to aggrocap, then preferably stand between 1-2 more mobs as close to each other as possible that don't react and when everything draws near you FS and unleash all hell. Most stuff dies in but a few seconds, but Blizzard goes on for 15.
The result: Stuff dies, more enemies fit under aggrocap, take aggro, approach, die as well, etc, etc...

And then there's the easy recovery Sardan already mentioned, which is yet another advantage of Blizzard being a rain rather than one big bang of doom. If you select a boss before you drop Blizzard you can usually transference off him before the poor sod dies.

Pretty much the combination of the first and the latter point - the fact it's a proper tri-form build that will work both at 50 and at the same time can examplar pretty far down without becoming a flying furball standing as far back as possible as to not draw too much attention while spamming its only half-decently slotted attack left.

Shhhhh! For heaven's sake don't jinx it. We'll be able to start CoP from Pocket D in I20 if you say that again.

It sure did! That's a great sumup.

I'm thinking now it's either ice/DM or ice/ice. Lack of AoE with DM could be solved by picking up salt crystals from earth mastery.

Another question: I was thinking of making Hoarfrost perma, but how necessary is this? Is an ice tank generally fine without it up or is it more common to have it up as much as possible?
The downside of making it perma would be I no longer choose when to hit it which partially removes the effect of the healing in many scenarios. In other words I suppose it would actually become less useful as a tool for handling the stray massive damage hit from for instance an AV getting through my def.

My build for reference, perhaps it can give another idea for a tweak or anything.

With full Invinc bonus all but psi def softcaps and if you switch off the accolades for comparison to your own build it still gets about .5 end/s net gain more. Taunt is in there and with the force feedback proc DP effectively permaruns.

You'll need the Cardiac to make it work. It does in fact work without it, but it will be MUCH better with Cardiac - Cardiac actually makes this build very solid when it comes to end. Since I slotted that the end only ever drops on a rage crash and it recovers right back, apart from that you can hardly tell the toon is fighting anything if you're not looking at it.

The DPS on my build is somewhat lower as a result of the tradeoff. I put a higher focus on durability myself.

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Level 50 Natural Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Invulnerability
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Flight
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg:35(A), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx:35(17), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg:35(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:35(39)
Level 1: Resist Physical Damage -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(3), Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:50(3), Aegis-ResDam:50(7), Aegis-Psi/Status:50(9), S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(40)
Level 2: Temp Invulnerability -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(5), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(5), RctvArm-ResDam:40(7)
Level 4: Dull Pain -- Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(A), Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg:50(11), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), Dct'dW-Heal:50(13), Dct'dW-Rchg:50(21)
Level 6: Haymaker -- Mako-Acc/Dmg:50(A), Mako-Dmg/EndRdx:50(11), Mako-Dmg/Rchg:50(15), Mako-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(23)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg:50(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx:50(15), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(17), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx:50(19), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:50(25)
Level 10: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(48), RechRdx-I:50(50)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 14: Super Jump -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 16: Super Speed -- Clrty-Stlth:50(A)
Level 18: Unyielding -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx:50(A), Aegis-ResDam/Rchg:50(19), Aegis-ResDam:50(36)
Level 20: Hover -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
Level 22: Resist Elements -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(23), RctvArm-ResDam:40(27)
Level 24: Resist Energies -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(25), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(31), RctvArm-ResDam:40(33)
Level 26: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(37), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(37), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(43), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(43), Mocking-Rchg:50(45)
Level 28: Invincibility -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(29), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), RedFtn-Def:50(33), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(36)
Level 30: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit:50(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg:50(31), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx:50(34), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx:50(40), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx:50(48), GSFC-Build%:50(48)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Erad-Dmg:30(A), Erad-Dmg/Rchg:30(33), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg:30(36), Sciroc-Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(46), FrcFbk-Rechg%:50(46)
Level 35: Boxing -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Tough Hide -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def:50(39), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(39)
Level 41: Tough -- RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx:40(A), RctvArm-ResDam/Rchg:40(42), RctvArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg:40(42), RctvArm-ResDam:40(42)
Level 44: Weave -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def:50(45), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(45), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(46)
Level 47: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- RgnTis-Regen+:30(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(50), EndMod-I:50(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd:25(A)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I:50(A)
Level 2: Health -- Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx:40(A), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg:40(27), Mrcl-Heal:40(34), Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(34)
Level 2: Stamina -- Efficacy-EndMod:50(A), Efficacy-EndMod/Rchg:50(37), Efficacy-EndMod/Acc:50(40)

Right, I should stop making assumptions. I verified and confirmed Shield Wall's recharge bonus and figured the same would go for this because that would explain the recharge difference of 15%.
This is indeed not the case and, all in all, I still don't understand where that difference is coming from.

Can you confirm that 190% is what you read off the totals viewing my initial build without modification?
This is still a tad annoying since without knowing where that's coming from I have no idea if it may not be off on other builds I did either.


At least it seems no wonder now I started off all wrong on this build. I thought the recharge bonus I had had actually pushed the recharge time of Rage just under 60 which I guess wasn't the case at all if the bonus was only 190% and I also through that that is exactly what had to be achieved to prevent the -DEF component of a Rage crash which isn't the case either.

With that in mind your build looks a lot more sensible.
The only thing that saddened me to see for a moment was that the complete overlap seems very hard or almost impossible to achieve which was the core idea of the build to begin with: getting 2 Rages perma stacked.
But then I realized i19 will solve this...

With just 2 minor modifications to the build you suggested I can still maintain softcapped defense whilst slotting the Rage with an Adjusted Targeting set instead of Gaussion's Synchronized Fire-Control set, thereby upping the recharge enhancement in Rage to 97.49% post-ED and the global recharge bonus to 185%.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the next part, but I figured with that as a basis a Spiritual Core Paragon Alpha enhancement should do the following to the recharge:
(The following is without even taking into account the 15% recharge enhancement that is subject to the diminishing returns of enhancement diversification from the Alpha enhancement.)
Recharge = 240 / (1 + 0.9749 + 1.85 + 0.3) = 58.18 seconds.

It would appear so after looking it up. The complete set is there because my install of Mids' - when set to PvE mode - actually says the recharge bonus is in effect, but ParagonWiki seems to confirm what you're saying.
And this also explains how you got to 190% whilst I have my totals here saying 205%, since Panacea has another 7.5% bonus in PvP only which it's adding in PvE mode here for some reason.
Another thing to revise...

... and Panacea, right?

It's PvE, there are 12 PvE enhancements in it. The concept of using enhancements for their respective benefits shouldn't be too hard to grasp. Those enhancements are in there because they provide the bonusses the build needs to work and those bonusses are not always provided by their PvE only companions. Remember that PvP enhancements aren't different from PvE enhancements when it comes to PvE - they just have their own set bonusses like any other set, nothing strange about it.

Right, I see what caused my confusion now I think.
I figured if your recharge is not 60 or less that means you can not cast the second when or before the first is half way through and thus not cast the third before the first ran out. As a result the 3rd wouldn't be in affect when the first ran out and thus you'd be running 1 Rage for a moment and not have it double stacked causing a Rage crash to kick in until you cast the next. Resulting from that train of thought is the assumption you'd need to fire up a Rage every 60 seconds to keep a Rage crash from occuring.

It was stated, however, that the Rage crash essentially is part of the Rage and just active the entire time with the debuffs kicking in after a 120 second delay and that unstackable from caster, which is self. That in fact means the flag is shared by all Rages, thus you only need to fire one up every 120 seconds.
I didn't immediately pick up on that as I was still stuck with the thought it had to be stacked, but that isn't the case at all then, is it?
As long as you keep a Rage running... even just one, but you make sure you fire it again before the last runs out (you'll have a second overlap, but that overlap is not exactly the first thing that comes to mind when talking about stacking them) it won't crash.

In short: 120 seconds is what you need to get below to prevent a crash then, not 60.

Adjusting my thought there I can indeed see that working. Thanks for clearing up yet another thing. I'll have to go back to fiddling and revise with that in mind as that does very much change the pros vs cons judgement of various slotting choices.

Edit:

If one believes the other may be making a thought error it is useful to not only point this out, but also explain how you believe he may be wrong as that is the only way for another person to be able to properly revise those words and see if that is indeed the case or something needs more explanation. You will find in a previous paragraph how I thought it was erroneous what you said and thus I explaining how I thought you were wrong. This has caused you to explain more clearly how you figured it would work which in turn caused me to see where the real error was and made me understand it, which was indeed - as you stated yourself - part of my aim of this topic.
It's quite a normal way of conversation to get thoughts and different levels of understanding of a subject on one line.

As such I thank you, again, but I'm just going to ignore this comment.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. That won't be an issue.

Regardless, I'll fiddle with it. It looks alright, except it really doens't have enough recharge for my liking yet, which is exactly why I discarded the slotting more similar to this that I had before.
You have some details different in there I overlooked at first though, so I'll need to look at that one again and see if it can be made to work as planned.

Thanks for the input.

Oh well, alternating 50 seconds of damage and 10 seconds of no damage then... I can live with that I suppose.
I can still keep footstomping nonetheless to keep mean people off their feet.

I was thinking along these lines:
(Note: non-constructive flamers begone. This is not even meant to be a farmer like you assumed, it's meant to be a lolbuild for laughs, nothing more and nothing less.)

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The Grump Thump: Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Fitness
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Jab -- Amaze-Stun:50(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg:50(46), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg:50(48), Amaze-Acc/Rchg:50(48), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun:50(50)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(3), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg:50(3), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(5), LkGmblr-Def:50(5), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(11)
Level 2: Focused Senses -- LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx:50(A), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg:50(7), LkGmblr-EndRdx/Rchg:50(7), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(9), LkGmblr-Def:50(9), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(11)
Level 4: Agile -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(13), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(13), RedFtn-Def:50(15), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(15), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(17)
Level 6: Swift -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 8: Combat Jumping -- SW-Def/EndRdx:50(A), SW-Def/Rchg:50(17), SW-EndRdx/Rchg:50(37), SW-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(39), SW-Def:50(39), SW-ResDam/Re TP:50(46)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I:50(A)
Level 12: Hasten -- RechRdx-I:50(A), RechRdx-I:50(39), RechRdx-I:50(40)
Level 14: Super Speed -- EndRdx-I:50(A)
Level 16: Health -- Panac-Heal/EndRedux:50(A), Panac-EndRdx/Rchg:50(42), Panac-Heal/Rchg:50(43), Panac-Heal/EndRedux/Rchg:50(45), Panac-Heal:50(45)
Level 18: Dodge -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(19), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(19), RedFtn-Def:50(37), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(37)
Level 20: Evasion -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(21), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(21), RedFtn-Def:50(23), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(23), LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(25)
Level 22: Stamina -- EndMod-I:50(A), EndMod-I:50(48), EndMod-I:50(50)
Level 24: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt:50(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg:50(25), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng:50(27), Mocking-Acc/Rchg:50(40), Mocking-Taunt/Rng:50(40), Mocking-Rchg:50(42)
Level 26: Rage -- AdjTgt-ToHit:50(A), AdjTgt-ToHit/Rchg:50(27), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx/Rchg:50(33), AdjTgt-EndRdx/Rchg:50(33), AdjTgt-ToHit/EndRdx:50(33), AdjTgt-Rchg:50(34)
Level 28: Lucky -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx:50(A), RedFtn-Def/Rchg:50(29), RedFtn-EndRdx/Rchg:50(29), RedFtn-Def/EndRdx/Rchg:50(31), RedFtn-Def:50(31), RedFtn-EndRdx:50(31)
Level 30: Punch -- Hectmb-Dmg:50(A), Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg:50(42), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(43), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg:50(43), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx:50(45)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg:50(A), Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg:50(34), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg:50(34), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg:50(36), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx:50(36), RechRdx-I:50(36)
Level 35: Kick -- Empty(A)
Level 38: Quickness -- Run-I:50(A)
Level 41: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-End%:50(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- Mrcl-Rcvry+:40(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+:50(46)
Level 47: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+:30(A), GA-3defTpProc:50(50)
Level 49: Weave -- LkGmblr-Rchg+:50(A)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- Empty(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 4: Ninja Run

Errr... well, I can't seem to find the details on the damage crash, but I sort of assumed it's not as much as the boost and thus, although for 10 seconds every 2 minutes your damage will not be +160%, it would still at least be +80% from one Rage - or did I underestimate that?


Edit:
Also my net end gain minus the effective end drain of footstomp must still be sufficient to recover 50% of my total endurance every 60 seconds to sustain this, correct?

I wasn't actually sure what that did, but if that's it I'll definitely put that in. I'll probably swap out the conf/rech for it, because along with acc/rech it gives the most recharge bonus which is really about the last thing I need to squeeze the most out of on that power.
As for using it in itself: I use it occasionally...
Perhaps rarely would be a more accurate indication. I don't really like that power at all. Aside from its usefulness I just never enjoyed playing with it, so it's not something I'm gonna be throwing around all the time.

I did consider that, but I actually use Snow Storm a lot and as it is I like the overall picture of the numbers on its attributes this way. That, in combination with the fact Hasten's recharge is already down to 119.1 seconds and thus capable of permarunning, lead me to vote against it. Granted, I don't have any margin in there if for instance my recharge were to be slowed by a debuff, but I'll survive that. It was pretty much a matter of weighing pros vs cons in the context of my preferred play style.

Good point. I think the second one did make a difference, but the third one didn't. I'm not sure why I left it that way then, I'll need to double check what's up with that.

That's some useful suggestions, thanks. I'll have a look at how those would work out exactly when I get home.

Seeing as it's a click power, even if it's something I'll only use once a year, I easily can. I didn't really plan on running any additional toggles. It was more like I was just looking for LotG slots rather than another power to actually use, but then again Combat Jumping might actually be useful to some extend and wasn't one I considered. I'll see if I think it's viable / worth it.

Thanks, that's some useful input there.