Rage without the crash?

If I'm reading this right this guide seems to suggest a Rage crash can be fully prevented by a full overlap of two stacked Rages; thus without a gap between them where only one Rage would be active.

Is this still current?

It would seem most logical to me that every Rage - after its 120 second duration - was following by a 10 second crash reducing your defenses across the board, independently of each other. This wouldn't be in line with the above though, from what I understand.

TLDR; If Rage recharges in less than 60 seconds will your defenses never be reduced by a Rage crash or is that nonsense?

Sweet, this will be great.

Thanks for clearing that up.

But bear in mind you WILL experience the damage crash.

I wasn't sure where to begin with your slotting choices, so I just revamped the whole thing from scratch.

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Level 50 Mutation Brute
Primary Power Set: Super Strength
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Leaping
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Medicine
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Punch -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(21), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(21), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(23)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(7), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(7), GftotA-Def/Rchg(27)
Level 2: Haymaker -- Hectmb-Dmg/Rchg(A), Hectmb-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Acc/Rchg(17), Hectmb-Dmg/EndRdx(19), Hectmb-Dam%(19)
Level 4: Focused Senses -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(9), GftotA-Def/Rchg(9), GftotA-Def(36)
Level 6: Agile -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(11), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(37)
Level 8: Knockout Blow -- C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx(A), C'ngImp-Dmg/Rchg(11), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(13), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(13), C'ngImp-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(15), Mako-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(15)
Level 10: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 12: Combat Jumping -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 16: Dodge -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(27), LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(42)
Level 18: Rage -- GSFC-ToHit(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(29), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(42), GSFC-Rchg/EndRdx(45), GSFC-ToHit/EndRdx(46), GSFC-Build%(46)
Level 20: Evasion -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(29), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(31)
Level 22: Super Speed -- Run-I(A)
Level 24: Boxing -- Amaze-Stun(A), Amaze-Stun/Rchg(42), Amaze-Acc/Stun/Rchg(43), Amaze-Acc/Rchg(43), Amaze-EndRdx/Stun(43)
Level 26: Tough -- S'fstPrt-ResDam/Def+(A), GA-3defTpProc(31), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam(37), TtmC'tng-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 28: Lucky -- LkGmblr-Rchg+(A), LkGmblr-Def(31)
Level 30: Weave -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Def(34), GftotA-Def/Rchg(36), GftotA-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36)
Level 32: Foot Stomp -- Armgdn-Dmg/Rchg(A), Armgdn-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Acc/Rchg(33), Armgdn-Dmg/EndRdx(33), Armgdn-Dam%(34), EndRdx-I(34)
Level 35: Quickness -- Run-I(A)
Level 38: Taunt -- Mocking-Taunt(A), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg(39), Mocking-Taunt/Rchg/Rng(39), Mocking-Acc/Rchg(39), Mocking-Taunt/Rng(40), Mocking-Rchg(40)
Level 41: Stimulant -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 44: Aid Self -- Dct'dW-Heal/Rchg(A), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Dct'dW-Rchg(46), Dct'dW-EndRdx/Rchg(48), Dct'dW-Heal/EndRdx(48)
Level 47: Superior Conditioning -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(48), EndMod-I(50)
Level 49: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-End%(50), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(50)
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Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- ULeap-Stlth(A)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 1: Swift -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Hurdle -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Health -- Mrcl-Rcvry+(A), Numna-Regen/Rcvry+(3), RgnTis-Regen+(3)
Level 1: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(5), P'Shift-End%(5), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(45)

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Oh, an extra pool à la i19. And there's my Mids' telling me there are no updates yet.

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus I used the Glad unique because you had it in your build, but I just thought I'd point out that it costs anywhere from 2-4 billion inf.

Yeah, I'm aware of that. That won't be an issue.

Regardless, I'll fiddle with it. It looks alright, except it really doens't have enough recharge for my liking yet, which is exactly why I discarded the slotting more similar to this that I had before.
You have some details different in there I overlooked at first though, so I'll need to look at that one again and see if it can be made to work as planned.

Thanks for the input.

I'm not quite sure how you came up with 190% there.
The build I suggested has 205% recharge bonus, the 20% from quickness included. The gap between the double-stacked Rages is less than a second and that is due to cast time.

In your comparison you're forgetting the presence of green in the health bar though.

This isn't just any build with recharge to keep fancy toys going. Lack of recharge here will kill you.
It's exactly why I verified about the Rage crash being preventable as far as -DEF goes in the first place. This thing has no resistances, it's just softcapped on def and not with a whole lot of margin either.
With 180% recharge bonus you'll have to deal with -20% def for about 9 seconds every minute, that's 15% of the time you'll be running 25-30ish percent def with pretty much no resists or no resists worth mentioning at the least to say. In that scenario Aid Self isn't going to help you either, because Aid Self helps best - in this particular build - when you need it least, seeing as it's interruptable.

I chose to go full def on this and only def as opposed to one of the 9 million Brute builds out there with a much greater focus on resistances and that also means getting that Rage to fully overlap is vital unless you want to inspect a particularly intruiging floor tile.

off topic slightly, and my build is different, I have a SS/fire brute;

I have quit using Rage. I have enough recharge to double stack it but the down time on the damage just got to be too much of a PITA for me.

I always tried to keep an eye out for the blinking Rage icon so I knew when it was about to crash but sometimes I would miss it and jump right into the middle of a mob and could no longer do any damage.

I would stop attacking because why burn the endurance since nothing was happening (although the procs still go off). I occasionally use it towards the end of a mission (or farm ) just to finish out quickly but seriously I dont run it regularly anymore.

I havent noticed much of a difference.

I really am awful at everything melee not a Stalker.

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Originally Posted by Chaos Creator No, panacea's recharge is PvE as is Gladiator's net actually but that's another matter.

Right, I should stop making assumptions. I verified and confirmed Shield Wall's recharge bonus and figured the same would go for this because that would explain the recharge difference of 15%.
This is indeed not the case and, all in all, I still don't understand where that difference is coming from.

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Originally Posted by Deus_Otiosus I tried to eke out an extra 10% to match your 190%

Can you confirm that 190% is what you read off the totals viewing my initial build without modification?
This is still a tad annoying since without knowing where that's coming from I have no idea if it may not be off on other builds I did either.


At least it seems no wonder now I started off all wrong on this build. I thought the recharge bonus I had had actually pushed the recharge time of Rage just under 60 which I guess wasn't the case at all if the bonus was only 190% and I also through that that is exactly what had to be achieved to prevent the -DEF component of a Rage crash which isn't the case either.

With that in mind your build looks a lot more sensible.
The only thing that saddened me to see for a moment was that the complete overlap seems very hard or almost impossible to achieve which was the core idea of the build to begin with: getting 2 Rages perma stacked.
But then I realized i19 will solve this...

With just 2 minor modifications to the build you suggested I can still maintain softcapped defense whilst slotting the Rage with an Adjusted Targeting set instead of Gaussion's Synchronized Fire-Control set, thereby upping the recharge enhancement in Rage to 97.49% post-ED and the global recharge bonus to 185%.
Correct me if I'm wrong on the next part, but I figured with that as a basis a Spiritual Core Paragon Alpha enhancement should do the following to the recharge:
(The following is without even taking into account the 15% recharge enhancement that is subject to the diminishing returns of enhancement diversification from the Alpha enhancement.)
Recharge = 240 / (1 + 0.9749 + 1.85 + 0.3) = 58.18 seconds.

Yeah, on a Brute double-stacked Rage is very questionable. You have so much extra +damage buffs (from Fury, from the first Rage) already that even the extra +80% from a second Rage amounts to a pathetic proportional gain.

If the extra damage were free then that'd be one thing, but it's not. You should be shooting for just enough overlap on Rage that you can mitigate the DEF debuff.

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Originally Posted by Iggy_Kamakaze Nice build

And that would be why.

Yeah, the crash used to keep you from attacking at all. There were complaints, though, that you could not use Taunt, or (possibly) other click powers such as heals. It was changed to its current incarnation, which allows you to attack, but with a huge damage debuff.

As there is a minimum damage for attacks, you have probably never noticed it, since orange numbers still come up. But they are single digit numbers, maybe 4 or 6 or the like.

Vet Rewards are immune to this effect, which is why a lot of people recommend taking Sands of Mu for use during the crash. I personally just wail away with Brawl to keep Fury up, since it costs no End, and proportionally speaking it's probably not really that much less damage than some other attack under such a high debuff.