Killerkitty

Whyyyy is this not stickied?

Pleasepleasepleaseplease

Not vamp.



Vamp.



Not vamp.

Basically my point was not only making the page superficially more cleaner/easy to read but also letting us put things like RP chat logs on our pages so that it's possible that we could make a character that has a 'living' page, of new stuff being posted when it happens RP logs make for awesome reading (like those gothamknights links)

Would be awesome if anyone else can help yeah, wiki stuff is fine but programming itself is Would be awesome if one day you could get a computer make a program by describing what you want to make... But I guess we really need computers that can process stuff on the same level as humans for that really.

Reposting this in case anyone else here can help:






I thought it's probably best to have all this stuff in one place since I guess you probably look more at this thread for feedback than the talk page (since there's more people that check this), and well, since I last posted on it in November and Jan I've come up with a few more ideas hehe:

What would be really cool would be the ability to change the <spoiler> "Click to reveal Spoiler" text to, for example, "Title of the writing, author, date" or "Roleplay chat log, 'Title Of Scene', location, date" (e.g. the kind of stuff that used to regularly get posted up on gothamknights.net/phpBB2/?c=4 or gothamknights.net/phpBB2/?c=3 but in a more accessible and centralised format than forums - I like most people don't have time to follow forums much as well as RP!)

e.g. being able to use our character pages as one-stop places for *all* our background story to our characters including stuff that has happened to them IC since they have been made, not just the initial writeup, while giving the ability for pages not be a huge long mess that turns people off if they aren't already interested in the character already before reading - so that if people want more detail about various subjects they can click to get more

So for example this could be used for embedding RP chatlogs on character pages, not just long story spoilers/snippets! Also for the more obvious example you could talk about something that happened to the character then instead of little 'spoiler' button be able to turn it into a wide Break button that can be clicked to expand the text saying 'click to read more' or a more descriptive title of what the text chunk is about (to make it more likely people will bother to click, you can currently write stuff above the spoiler button, but then it looks weird if it's not actually a spoiler. using the spoiler thing but letting us change the words/format) That's the kind of thing that was kind of my original intention as per the poetry I used it for on my userpage hehe, 'mis-use', but it's what it's perfect for really
— and maybe change the colour as well, I'm thinking it would make it easiest if we were able to do it in something like this format?
{{spoiler|Title|textcolour|backgroundcolour|border color|buttonwidth|buttonheight|borderwidth}}
(Though maybe change it to {{cut|etc}} instead to make clear it's not just for spoilers, cos a lot of people won't experiment to use something for it's non-official use unless told to, maybe leave both options open, I dunno.)
— best of all though would be if there was a way to do it in the normal 'what you see is what you get' editor though since otherwise a lot of people probably wouldn't use it, I know that some people see wiki code and go 'bleurgh'. It doesn't bother me at all, as you can see from my page hehe, but I have heard the occasional thing from people saying that they got put off or in some cases literally couldn't figure it out(!), some pretty smart people but just aren't good at thinking things logically but more creative... the friendliest thing to do with RP I think is to make sure there are as few barriers as possible to stop people who are creative but don't like hardcore computer stuff (I know it doesn't seem like it to a lot of us but people that use forums are in the minority, try show a wiki edit thing to a random person and you will see what I mean hehe) - that's another reason why I think in-game channels for RP are so important, because a very small minority of people use the forums compared to those in-game, looking at the forums you can get a completely false impression of how the community actually feels about many things, I really thing NCsoft need to put in-game polls and a dedicated easy-for-people-to-spot feedback button on the radar bit! Anyway, gone a bit offtopic)

Also the spoiler boxes appear to have a bug at the moment if you look on my Lilith page for example, press END to skip to the bottom and you'll see (at least in Firefox) that it messes up the format of Virtueverse by adding a HUGE big black space.
— I worked out what it was, and it appears that even though the spoiler text is not visible, it takes up space and so adds white space. When you expand all the spoilers, the page appears 'normal' at the end, ending with the 'powered by mediawiki' icon instead of the huge block of empty space
— at the moment that kind of ruins the using-it-to-make-pages-shorter-and-snappier thing I actually had someone I told to 'go to the bottom of page and look at the inspiration links, haha' (or something like that) tell me there was nothing there - it was cos the page was so long due to it adding blank space for the hidden spoilers, you have to scroll up a long way before the real end of the page becomes visible

mmm, channels are definitely more a random experience compared to gfriend'ing people, but when it does works it works well at least

Just got to catch people before they get into RP really, before their attention is lost, depends a lot on the time.

There really should be a way to enable a 'new global channel' message noise in the same way they made a separate noise for league chat instead of team now

Re: "How to know if you're a real RP'er"
When you used to RP on chatrooms when you were around 12, and when you tell them you are 18 (to avoid being banned), the replies tended to be stuff something like "I thought you would be older"

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No Jay? :o

Hey, welcome back then!

Like Rock Powerfist said, the best way is to try out the global channel and get talking to people! Just got to not be shy and say what kind of story you are interested in or running, what your character is like/link etc, and then see who else is interested in running stuff.

I thought it's probably best to have all this stuff in one place since I guess you probably look more at this thread for feedback than the talk page (since there's more people that check this), and well, since I last posted on it in November and Jan I've come up with a few more ideas hehe:

What would be really cool would be the ability to change the <spoiler> "Click to reveal Spoiler" text to, for example, "Title of the writing, author, date" or "Roleplay chat log, 'Title Of Scene', location, date" (e.g. the kind of stuff that used to regularly get posted up on gothamknights.net/phpBB2/?c=4 or gothamknights.net/phpBB2/?c=3 but in a more accessible and centralised format than forums - I like most people don't have time to follow forums much as well as RP!)

e.g. being able to use our character pages as one-stop places for *all* our background story to our characters including stuff that has happened to them IC since they have been made, not just the initial writeup, while giving the ability for pages not be a huge long mess that turns people off if they aren't already interested in the character already before reading - so that if people want more detail about various subjects they can click to get more

So for example this could be used for embedding RP chatlogs on character pages, not just long story spoilers/snippets! Also for the more obvious example you could talk about something that happened to the character then instead of little 'spoiler' button be able to turn it into a wide Break button that can be clicked to expand the text saying 'click to read more' or a more descriptive title of what the text chunk is about (to make it more likely people will bother to click, you can currently write stuff above the spoiler button, but then it looks weird if it's not actually a spoiler. using the spoiler thing but letting us change the words/format) That's the kind of thing that was kind of my original intention as per the poetry I used it for on my userpage hehe, 'mis-use', but it's what it's perfect for really
— and maybe change the colour as well, I'm thinking it would make it easiest if we were able to do it in something like this format?
{{spoiler|Title|textcolour|backgroundcolour|border color|buttonwidth|buttonheight|borderwidth}}
(Though maybe change it to {{cut|etc}} instead to make clear it's not just for spoilers, cos a lot of people won't experiment to use something for it's non-official use unless told to, maybe leave both options open, I dunno.)
— best of all though would be if there was a way to do it in the normal 'what you see is what you get' editor though since otherwise a lot of people probably wouldn't use it, I know that some people see wiki code and go 'bleurgh'. It doesn't bother me at all, as you can see from my page hehe, but I have heard the occasional thing from people saying that they got put off or in some cases literally couldn't figure it out(!), some pretty smart people but just aren't good at thinking things logically but more creative... the friendliest thing to do with RP I think is to make sure there are as few barriers as possible to stop people who are creative but don't like hardcore computer stuff (I know it doesn't seem like it to a lot of us but people that use forums are in the minority, try show a wiki edit thing to a random person and you will see what I mean hehe) - that's another reason why I think in-game channels for RP are so important, because a very small minority of people use the forums compared to those in-game, looking at the forums you can get a completely false impression of how the community actually feels about many things, I really thing NCsoft need to put in-game polls and a dedicated easy-for-people-to-spot feedback button on the radar bit! Anyway, gone a bit offtopic)

Also the spoiler boxes appear to have a bug at the moment if you look on my Lilith page for example, press END to skip to the bottom and you'll see (at least in Firefox) that it messes up the format of Virtueverse by adding a HUGE big black space.
— I worked out what it was, and it appears that even though the spoiler text is not visible, it takes up space and so adds white space. When you expand all the spoilers, the page appears 'normal' at the end, ending with the 'powered by mediawiki' icon instead of the huge block of empty space
— at the moment that kind of ruins the using-it-to-make-pages-shorter-and-snappier thing I actually had someone I told to 'go to the bottom of page and look at the inspiration links, haha' (or something like that) tell me there was nothing there - it was cos the page was so long due to it adding blank space for the hidden spoilers, you have to scroll up a long way before the real end of the page becomes visible

This! There's a huge team of roleplayers on now waiting for something to happen...

Has the EU simply been forgotten or deprioritised *again*, or what? I mean come on, you did say it would be at 6, you could at least make an announcement or something if there's anything up?

edit: Cool Avatea, thanks!
People are in St Martial btw for anyone that wants to join send a tell to @Nitro v. IV

There's a current bug where if you are brought to a page linked somewhere else (where the person using the link is using one of the other languages) it will change your language via &lang=whatevernumber at the end of the address - &lang=1 is english, 2 is german, 3 is french

*Doesn't mention 'the SQL' like she wouldn't mention The War, it tends to unnerve moderators on internet forums hehe*

Who said that though and where? If so that is no excuse whatsoever, they said exactly the same about power colour customisation years ago too (I am from Union server on the EU ones originally, I made a US account)... :

'Complex' is not the same as 'impossible'. If they are saying no then it means they just don't consider their most loyal players (who bought the game more than once just to carry on playing after the EU servers died down!) worth the development time...

Hell, it's not just those of us who moved already losing our characters and veteran rewards that it shows a casual disdain for that (we are now being told 'cancel an account or pay twice' rather than being allowed to *properly* merge our EU and US accounts ... I am basically being punished for supporting the game twice...):

It's also EU players in general that this is going to be bad on, since of course most people, especially roleplayers, after trying the Virtue server and seeing the sheer amount of active, lively people, will do the same thing as I did and move there... Yet we only have a character transfer from server to server and not over from EU to US account, and not supergroup transfer. Surely it wouldn't be *too* hard to put in a system to let people vote on whether to move their (*years* of work) groups for this unprecedented event?

Please can we move our characters from our EU account into the US one? I started up again on US Virtue server because of the lack of people on the EU ones, but I actually have been playing on for like over 5 years now since City of Villains came out (City of Heroes was marketed as very cheesy and bland so never picked it up I'm more of a Batman Begins kinda girl The base idea really attracted me too because I thought it would be more like Dungeon Keeper 2, said it before say it again that it is a shame that you couldn't have them used more with the game story than just pvp, which I used to enjoy now and then actually before the ridiculous issue 11 or whatever changes where they made blasters have scrapper durability whilst doing more damage, etc, which you think they would have realised killed off most of the pvp players even on Virtue it seems and rolled back by now, I don't get that. Also killing off motivation for going to the areas other than people who enjoy doing stuff for no real reason - I actually liked to bring my supergroup to RV and fight over the turrets before the whole AE farming crap I remember it actually meant something to control RV) - my account on the EU ones I have not logged on for ages but the characters I have have purples and stuff that I have not bothered to regain in my year or so on the US servers - I basically gave up playing the game, although I had already cos of boredom anyway really, I didn't want to restart afresh totally because it is such a ridiculous grind to get to the top now with invention origin enhancements, so just ignored it in favour of RP... If I had my characters back I might actually play missions again, and I bet I'm not the only one, I have bumped into quite a few people on Virtue from the UK.

Also VERY IMPORTANT: Can we please please please please also please move our supergroups? For people that want to restart on the more populated Virtue server like I did, it would encourage them to actually keep communities alive rather than the rather depressing "yeah, but see that mountain you need to climb to get a large base again? you start UNDERGROUND." Prestige built up over years is not really replacable - I have a dormant SG on my EU account with none of the people apart from me still playing, I would actually be interested in reviving it if I knew there were more people alive to actually enjoy it (e.g. on Virtue rather than the utterly dead server in comparison Union) -- One thing maybe that could be simpler would actually be to give us the option of transferring the only real unreplacable part of SGs (people can move freely, it can't) which is the prestige, even that would be good really if that would be easier on the programmy kind of things for us to remake the SG and then have the prestige transferred, I wouldn't mind remaking the entire base just to have the prestige back

Would be very very grateful if you could take the time to include options to do this to people who supported you early on in the EU rather than mostly leaving us by the wayside and saying "hey, if you want to play on the US servers you now have the option, but you're going to have to lose half of your characters by dropping either your US or EU account and one of your supergroups one way or another") - they would be much, much, more appreciated than more veteran rewards




at least give us the option to merge our US and EU accounts if we already have a US account (characters and supergroups mostly, but veteran rewards too)... Otherwise it's kind of like a reverse veteran reward punishment for supporting the game early on (when city of villains came out) on my EU account ...

Let us move our characters/supergroups to US account if you truly care about your most loyal players (e.g. those of us who were foolish enough to start playing on the EU server and played it for years even as it slowly died, before then BUYING THE GAME AGAIN just to carry on after the EU servers died down, at the US servers like I did)... it would be way way more appreciated than pets and stuff!

<-- Bit the bullet and made a new US account and joined Virtue about a year ago when I saw that there were loads and loads and loads of people making the UK&EU servers look even more dead in comparison, feels a bit like I'm being punished for recognising what it apparently took NCsoft years to notice :( Kinda wish I had waited one more year before coming back to the game now :(

Did not know about this thread or would have posted earlier!

The old virtue rp channel does not get used for RP anymore, it's just a spam channel now really, kinda died off. The Roleplayers channel has been mostly advertised in-game over the past few months, and now is the biggest roleplay community in the game (no joke, right click on chat and click the 'channel members' link ingame and it will show the number at the top)

♥ Tell your friends to type:
/chan_join roleplayers

It's for discussing roleplay out-of-character (OOC), organising in-character events, passing on IC gossip characters might have heard, and collaborating on storyline ideas without *spam*!

Basically we have been trying to get the community at large more open towards new people and breathe new life into roleplay, creating more villain-hero RP not just in Pocket D

150+ people online peak times currently, god knows how many total overall since they didn't think of putting in a way to check it seems, I'd guess 500+ at this point!

There's a bunch of moderators to keep the channel on-topic, and they are picked based on shown maturity and able to deal with problems rather than from cliques (in fact, we are always looking for more if you think you can help out, though we usually have at least one online at this point)!

Very few people are silenced and it's kept on topic rather than just devolving into one of those channels people end up turning off The channel is open to anyone that is even interested in RP, and there are often RP teams, events and theme groups started on it, with the occasional storyline (hoping to get more people sharing plot stuff and IC gossip outside of just supergroups, make stuff more open and retain new players rather than them just getting disappointed from thinking all there is to RP is just bar RP in Pocket D)

2short2care, FlashToo, anyone else : If you are interested in joining that Carnie VG I mentioned, the best way is usually to just ask on the 'roleplayers' global channel in-game, most of them are on that It's the biggest roleplay community in the game!

In-game type: /chan_join roleplayers

It gets used for discussing RP, organising IC events, passing on IC gossip characters might have heard, and collaborating on storyline ideas without *spam*! The idea is to make the community at large more open towards new people and creating more villain-hero RP not just in Pocket D

The left one is on ultra mode graphics, right one is on lowest setting (notice the 'flat' look, lack of shading, and the flames barely being visible because particle effect slider is turned down to lowest)
If you right click on the picture on the right then view info, he's made a false representation there by copying the other one off paragonwiki (wiki.cohtitan.com) where most of their pictures are years and years old.

That's actually the same outfit other than the change in face, boots and logo. Old style looks better. He's a punk/gang leader, not tom cruise - the old one looks cooler, that one looks s-eating and smarmy, old one looks like he'd wipe that expression of his face while recording on cameraphone to upload to Trolltube




And yeah, even on ultra mode the new graphics still look like mannequins compared to the other games I mentioned in my previous post, I think in Cityof they were too scared of giving us sliders that let us do more than minor adjustments because the thing they use for clothes is quite old and doesn't intelligently wrap around when the body isn't the same shape as every other body, it 'clips through the model', but Champions seems to give a lot more variance in what you can do with sliders for some reason, yet still have the same issues on some of the other stuff (I remember trying to put on armlets and a bracelet and found that just because my (female) character had a bit of muscle on her (not huge even) they were only half visible and looked stupid sticking out of the skin in random bits. Hmm maybe they don't use the same thing to resize accessories rather as the main outfits.

Also yeah, even on max the facial expressions, still mannequins, you don't really notice it in screenshots of course where it's static anyway, but talking to other players or 'talking' to characters (hey, we need that. NPCs' mouth should at least move and expressions, rather than relying on gestures so much in cutscenes. You really notice it with the ridiculousness of the blank staring faces of the characters in the new Trial cutscenes), Cityof characters look really terrible compared to FallenEarth where emotes actually change, and there are even dedicated emotes to change expression - the face stuff is so much better than champions

But both games are horribly boring grind games and have terrible excuses for communities compared to Cityof, which really wins on that part and I think that is why it has lived so long - it's not the grind that has kept people (especially if you think about that there was very little 'grindy' stuff in the game for years, it was mainly people creating new characters after 50 and having fun with friends), it's the very social play which is why this game is still so successful so many years on, and should be the focus and improved upon further rather than trying to turn it into warcrap

Cityof should just learn from others is what I'm saying really I really hope the developers take a look at APB's tattoo/clothes editing system when it re-releases in a couple of months ... Tattoos, scars, can even make your character look totally inhuman by basically making a 'skin' out of tattoos!

▬ ▬ ☻☻☺ READ!!!☺ ☻☻ ▬ ▬

7 years on, it's got to the point where characters are recognisably dated compared to newer games:

Champions, which is terrible except for the character editor, which has a LOT less options available than Cityof, but is awesomely well done, especially the body sliders which allow much more variance than Cityof. Also being able to choose 'skins' of outfits is brilliant and should be an option on every Cityof piece ( for example the Metallic skin in Champions looks badass and doubles up for cool looking shiny clothes in the style of http://tinyurl.com/covtexture )

DC Online where the game itself is terrible, and the character editor is an absolute joke in how little options there are, it's just reduced to 'pick your gear and skin colour' - BUT what's there looks good, and the ability to have stuff like jet pack *costume pieces* permanantly on the back to explain powers like Fly is brilliant. Cityof kinda got that with wings, but why did they stop with wings and not go onto stuff suitable for characters with tech/natural origin, hmm. The tech wings look as ridiculously cheesy as the others do, I'd only say the demony characters have it good really (though there does need to be a LARGE bat wing option)

FallenEarth.com, terrible grindy game at heart, very hostile to roleplayers, but, characters look good (though very lacking on options, even less than DC), and they put in one of the most amazing things for RP, a big bunch of realistic face expressions and emotes to control them, so characters don't seem like this, in Cityof:

You know, that's a damn good idea! Invite people into mission then get them to quit instead of being kicked, and then it doesn't do the auto-kick of instance right, so could get unlimited amount of people on one map (although a little awkwardly)? I'm thinking of those converted nightclub/party warehouses from the carnie story missions! Or the Hellion one... But yeah, this is the kind of thing that A) people don't have the missions to hand or B) Are limited on whether villains or heroes can join in

Rreally, we just need to merge the base editor and AE editor together so that we can use items from missions inside bases and make AE maps in the same way we can bases (rather than just being expected to juggle around text whilst using the same boring maps)

AND THEN, once we are able to pick what maps we want, some way to list an AE as 'open' for other people to join on request or automatically if set (could work for normal missions too actually), like the arena finder... Any more encouragement of open-ness that doesn't rely on people sending tells is good, from talking to more casual friends the thing that puts them off is the awkwardness of finding people to play with, the game feels empty for new players

Why's it hilarious they have left the game, did you fall out with them or somethin? I didn't know them other than that encounter mentioned on the forum when asking in broadcast if anyone know what happened to the website, and then later talking on their forum as you can see - They seemed nice enough, I found their site very useful when I was new, and again when I made new alts, especially these two pages:

web.archive.org/*/http://cityofvillains.gameamp.com/cov/viewZones

web.archive.org/*/http://cityofheroes.gameamp.com/coh/viewZones

...There's still nothing on paragonwiki that has all the zone levels simply on one page so far as I can see: paragonwiki.com/wiki/Zone -- They are too obsessed with putting things obsessive-compulsively into categories rather than making them more useful for human use! That's why a lot of people don't read wikis I think, it's often hard to find the immediately useful pages in the spam of random trivia :/ Paragonwiki should have a menu or table of contents that is actually useful in the same way a website menu is, not just a huge wall of text list with no explanation of why these things are important etc

I found them on guildportal a while ago, but it looks like they have disappeared now. I can't find the address of the replacement site, but googling I think it might have been amp.guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=299964&TabID=2514251 - It looks like it's been wiped or something?

Edit: Just found it! Incredibly hard to find on google, I hope this link helps others: city of heroes city of villains gameamp game amp guildportal.com/Guild.aspx?GuildID=299964&TabID=2514252&ForumID=14 01230&TopicID=9340060

Pasting it here in case it disappears, for future, something I should have done before relaly!

I hope when they do the server list merge they at least give us the option to merge our US and EU accounts if we already have a US account (characters and supergroups mostly, but veteran rewards too)... Otherwise it's kind of like a reverse veteran reward punishment for supporting the game early on (when city of villains came out) on my EU account ...

They really should let us move our characters/supergroups to US account if they truly care, it would be way way more appreciated than pets and stuff!

<-- Bit the bullet and made a new US account and joined Virtue about a year ago when I saw that there were loads and loads and loads of people making the UK&EU servers look even more dead in comparison, feels a bit like I'm being punished for recognising what it apparently took NCsoft years to notice :( Kinda wish I had waited one more year before coming back to the game now :(