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Defenders defend.
Thinkin of defenders as healers is a step in the wrong direction right from the start.
Ive yet to find the magical healer archtype.
That being said...
your fire/fire blaster and a dark/dark defender can be a scrary good combination.
Or another emp to buff your emp buddy works great too. -
thats just cuz your so awesome.
How silly of me to think anything but kat/inv is the greatest set of all time!!! -
Or when defense fails and your relying on resists+dull pain.
The long recharge time on DP would make me think about jumpin into another spawn without it being recharged. Whereass DR will be back up every 20 secs or so. -
Using shockwave all willy nilly isnt a good idea like others have said.
But it does have uses.
1. As alpha mitigator. Throwing that out against difficult opponents can spare you from an undesired alpha strike.
2. As mob positioner', Lining that cone up to knock a group against a wall for a giant spin sure is fun! target mob, sidestep back to line up eviserate. I can sometimes get a good cone lined up on that for some moar AoE damage. Follow up and focus for that odd man out. -
I dont know why I thought that both builds would be softcapped.
Maybe I was hallucinating. I thought someone said if both builds were softcapped which is more survivable? After rereading the thread I see i sound kinda like an ***.
And I agree that time spent spammin DA is less time killing. -
DR's end consumption is a nonfactor anymore. If anything I look at it as an end replenisher. Trickin out DR now is all about gettin its recharge to 12ish seconds.
Remember Werner that defense is capped already with either IO's or DA. So the degree of how that is accomplished cant be factored either..
I hadnt thought of /invuln with aid self though.
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In regards to the OP
Id say its a playstyle thing. Idda popped a red and purp, hit DOMINATION and killed 1 boss, held the other and worked the min/lts.
To how the thread has devolved.
Id say now its more a speciallized role in prim/sec combinations now.
Id disagree with earth/elec being a good solo dom.
Something like mind/fire is an incredible solo toon from lvl 1-50.
Earth/elec I see as a dom layin out aoe control/damage on a team that has alot of brutes/soa.
Could I build one to solo? Ya, but id rather put together a better build for solo'n purposes. -
No way.
DR is way better then DP.
If defense is capped what would u rather have to fall back on, dp with its long recharge or dr with its short recharge.
Dark armor with tough will have the same resists values.
Again defense is capped.
Maybe kat/inv for gettin caught by 1 difficult spawn/boss by surprise but against difficult, continous mobs/spawns kat/da all the way. -
It'd be a waste.
Roll a dark armor toon and have at it.
Or sell it to me and I'LL roll another dark armor toon!!! -
If you do get physical perfection put your healing uniques in this power instead of health/stamina.
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Besides the fact that inv/ is a main battle tank I guess you could try to scrank on it.
Id suggest fire/ if you want to be a good scranker.
ya fire/ss for sure. -
+3 X8 pose no problem for my claws/sr.
Id imagine +4's wouldnt be much different. -
OG is a toggle and thunderclap is a pbaoe, so your gonna have to get into melee range. Hitting a spawn will stun minions but until you hit the other stun bosses will get a shot off sometimes.
Dark pit has such a cool animation. it reminds me of a big dark pile of crap landing at enemy feet. And its ranged. -
Shockwave's AoE can be impressive if you dont mind the scatter. Nevermind spin.
Id say give it to 35ish, thats when my claws/sr started to really become a beast.
AoE defense finally, slots in spin, eviscerate, shockwave.
Its a late bloomin combination for sure. Then a mad dash to the finish. -
Quote:Unfortunately, I think your right and this is what we'll get.My guess is that electric control will look something like this:
Lvl 1: Electric Fence - single target immobilize
Lvl 1: Tesla Cage - single target hold (normalized cast time, recharge, range to match Char)
Lvl 2: Electric Fences - AoE immobilize
Lvl 6: Power Sink - PBAoE self +end, foe -end (possibly Short Circuit here)
Lvl 8: Lightning Field - PBAoE damage aura
Lvl 12: Lightning Clap - Short ranged stun, kb
Lvl 18: Tesla Cages - AoE hold
Lvl 26: Chain Induction Field - essentially recolored Liquefy (from the sonic set)
Lvl 32: Voltaic Guardians - buffed up older brothers of voltaic sentinel, using the Cap Au Diable Gremlin model but recolored. May be like fire imps so 3 pets.
Your second suggestion is much better. -
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I remember a thread about doms holding AV's way back in the day and the conversation broke down to mathematics.
I think it came down to activation times with stackin mag abilities.
From what I remember, mind and fire (with their fast activating holds) could do it.
With the relatively new hold procs I dont know how that changes the equation. -
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Quote:Still, AE is underslotted. If your using it as an end replenisher then you should put +end mods in it.I do have defense slotted on EA. I just don't have 3 defense IO. I have one from LoTG +defense IO and the other is also a LoTG +recharger 7.5% that also give a bit of +defense as well. I checked on Mids that if I have 3 lvl 50 +def IO I have about maybe 2% more defense IF I hit a mob of 10. I figure I'll save the slots for something else. Since my build have a lot of +global recharge along with hasten, EA come back fast even without slotting any +recharge into it. Since I already am softcapped and beyond, I basically use EA as a way to gain endurance back because I just spam AoEs most of the time when I'm in the middle of a mob.
Then I see my HP bar drop below half after two bosses land their hits on me
My eyes widen and hit Hoarfrost and if there are debuffs on me, I'll eat a purple.
If things still going badly for me then my only defense will be my inspiration tray!lol
If your defense breaks why wouldnt you want a heal/endo replenisher like hibernate?
You can get your recharge down on AE so its double stacked. Ive had soooo many buff icons from AE that I lose count. Im talkin about almost a whole row of buff icons, not just 10.
Your askin how to fit in hibernate.
Im telling you. If you drop weave, put those slots in AE, itll be a wash for your defense values. With the powerpick u save, you can grab Hibernate (with 3 recharge).
You'll be so much more survivable.
Go to test and try it out. -
I thought that EA was a endo replenisher at first as well.
Id hit that in the middle of a spawn and have negligable results raising my defense.
Slotting def/endredux/recharge IO's im seein a substantial increase to my defense.
I can soft cap using AE, with no IO's other than the def/endredux IO's. -
Quote:What about group fly?
As for making them effectively into toggles...the game doesn't have a function like that, as far as I know. Toggles are always single target, whether that's on a foe, yourself, or an ally; that is, there is no "multiple lock on" function, at least in the existing system again, as far as I know. And I preface "existing" with the Standard Code Rant. Sure, you could make every buff into Maneuvers but I think that would fall pretty heavily into the Cottage Rule as well. -
Energy absortion is underslotted. You could skip weave and replace those slots in EA. Slotted for defense it gave me a huge survivability increase.
Whats the defense for weave and whats the defense per mob hit with EA if slotted for defense?
It was/is a tough decision on my ice/ tank as well.
Build up at 41 and the hold from ice mastery at 44. Ill take ice storm and shiver at 47 and 49. -
To various posters above.
Ive watched dm/sr vids back in I3 n I4 solo'n AV's. I dont remember if insp were used and which AV's but I have seen it.
Its not called melolee for nothing in pvp.
Ive spent 1000's of hours in pvp in all iterations in this game. I'll play any toon and that fire/rgn wont get any attack on me if I dont choose to let it. /regen is the only reason to consider it for pvp. -
You do realize that ddd's control almost as good as troller/doms right?
fearsome stare. HUGE fear cone with massive -tohit debuff.
dark pit. aoe stun, needs slots however.
Howling twilight. autohit stun with the added benefit of being a team rez.
Petrifing gaze. craptacular hold.
tenebrous tentacles. aoe immobilize.
If you add the dark epic pool you can add oppressive gloom, a pbaoe stun toggle. -
Hibernate if you havent reached that lvl yet.
At least in my experience, I depended way more on dullpain while in the pre 40 game and now that im gettin higher lvl (lvl 45 ice/stone here) im using hibernate now more for the emergency cover up.
After getting slots in dp, hibernate, and energy absorbtion and decent frankenslotting Im using EA to cap defense and when defense fails jumpin in hibernate fast. Using DP as a cover up on lesser battles.