Hqnk
-
Posts
406 -
Joined
-
Quote:I don't agree with this, but not absolutely because the game minimizes the instances where Wardens actively work against Crusaders, but there is an Imperial City arc where the PC expressly works to thwart the Crusaders.Originally Posted by Peacemoon
Its funny, because both sides have good and evil people, but only see the evil in each other.
However, In that like light, the Crusaders are also big tools. The Wardens don't get mixed up in the underworld crap that the Crusaders, with their dummo-speak seem to blunder into. The whole Cleo thing didn't bother me because Reese tried to kill me via resistance. It only just begins there because multiple Loyalists contacts seem to be able to just call in Resistance strikes and those Crusaders do it. Tra la la, "Let's just walk into this trap with the voracious fame-hungry Powers Division Monster."
Seriously, I makes me doubt that the Resistance is actually separate from the Praetorian government. If anything they behave like a "kidney" necessary for survival by siphoning "waste" from the body of society. Sure it flares up, but it would be worse if the waste was not pulled out, society would have to rely on the PPD performing Dialysis which would be disruptive to society.
Great, now I think that Cole is running the resistance from the shadows. -
Quote:I was on the Power Track in Neutropolis. I Chose loyalist at the morality choices.Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Which track were you on? I still need to film Tyr- er... Emperor Cole and need his demo info.
(And trust me, I have done the whole in-game/out-of-game squeeing thing... my husband just gives me long-suffering looks and ignores them by now.)
Michelle
aka
Samuraiko/Dark_Respite -
So, I'm finishing up an arc in Neutropolis, a moral choice comes up and I choose Loyalist and send a message.
I turn around...and there's Cole, the real Cole.
It is honestly the first time I'd ever met him in game or in beta. My feelings on his regime had been pretty strong and he was a monster in my mind. So I was prepared to feel revulsion and anger.
As I pressed the dialoge triggers I became a TOTAL fanboy. He knew my name he complimented me on my work and thanked me and hoped that I would continue to do the right thing. He was so properly distant and sounded so sincere, plus he's handsome.
I drank the jungle juice and the alcohol laden Kool-Aid dregs at the bottom of the tin tub.
Back outside and I felt horrible. I was just so..."Meee! He knows Me!!! He knows my name!!!! Maybe my plans for the future could dove tail with his a little more."
Ugh. Must hate harder...but...SQUEE! -
I'm loving tonight's episode. Yay it came on twice!
-
Quote:Originally Posted by MaxXavier
But will the end result be BETTER than if you don't? Will the amount of people who get sick and die from it ultimately lead to a better end result? That's the ambiguity of it. Some will believe that, yes, it is. Others won't.
For me personally, I just think the Resistance would be shooting themselves in the foot. I don't believe there would be any wake-up against Cole, but instead against the Resistance. Indeed, I believe ending Enriche would ultimately cause the average citizen to become more fervently AGAINST the Resistance. They wouldn't see the oppression of the Seers nor the lack of freedom, especially those who grew up in Praetoria -- they would see the Resistance poisoning their water and trying to kill them. I know I would if I were an average Praetorian.
Given some people's statements in these threads, I might very well be right.
Cole's probably funding the Resistance. It's just one big Cole-Plot. He's just one upping White and Duncan. -
Quote:In the 80's particularly Sugar Ditch Mississippi, there were areas of the deep south who essentially got their water from rivers and bayous because the communities could not afford to put in sewer and indoor plumbing. (Huzzah outhouses).Originally Posted by MaxXavier
Uhm, historically speaking no. We got around impure water through a variety of ways, one of the more prominent being alcohol -- which was much safer to drink than regular water. I don't think making the entire population of Praetoria constantly drunk would help much, though.
Incidentally, you can't just boil your water. Boiling isn't going to get rid of the human feces, and such. Boiling helps, but is hardly a solution.
Hell, in Winterville, MS many communities use unfiltered well water. Yes, Praetoria will be in for a difficult time and Empaths, Pain Masters, and whatever healing classes will be working over time, particularly if withdrawal sets in. There are superhuman resources and super tech resources (if Neuron and Antimatter care). I am not saying that it would be easy. But I do believe that it is not an extinction level event. -
Quote:Continuing the Eneriche spoiler line..............Originally Posted by Golden Girl
It's before - Dark Watcher tells you it'll take a few months before Vangurd can set up a water treatment facilty in Praetoria to supply clean, drug-free water to the people.
And given that people have survived with out absolutely pure water by modern standards...or Mississippi and Louisiana standards (sorry couldn't resist. I was stick of getting "oh your water was unsafe for consumption last week because of bacteria blooms" messages. It is a running joke among folks in Natchitoches, LA) there is not going to be some kind of mass die off of the population. -
They seem to have changed the art on the Hex Girls a little. Also Velma is adorable as a super fan and spurned Scooby is funny!
-
Enriche is good for you.
-
Quote:I mean the Praetorian Police department, specifically the PPD in Nova Praetoria. If you explore the underground it's an actual area you can blunder into.Originally Posted by SwellGuy
You mean the Paragon Police Department not the Praetorian Police Department, right?
-
It looks hideous, truly ugly, verging on regression to 8 bit style drawings using MS Paint.
-
Quote:The PPD have kill chambers under their headquarters, they are part of the problem.Originally Posted by Zikar
Sorry, the world doesn't work that way. You don't blame the police for the dictatorship.
If they allow the dictatorship to continue, it's only because they are saving the lives of people the Resistance are trying to kill. -
I forgot to. Stupid shiny Kinetic Melee.
-
Quote:The Conumdrum is that the Interrorgator did it to circumvent the system because the Praetors would not punish her to his satisfaction. That's what stuck in my craw. I think the only reason I did not take what Cleopatra did so personally is because I did most of Reese's missions prior to that, and I wanted to save his morality mission for later so I went to Washington. I just did not think it was that unusual that someone in the PPD was trying to kill me.Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow
Well, it seems someone already solved the title problem for me, so no need to change that any more. Sorry about that, guys.
As for the RP reasons, I kind of wanted to go with something more than just "She's resistance! Hiss! It burns!!!" Doesn't really work for me as the author of that character. With Monroe it was an easy choice (not sure if there WAS a choice, but the dialogue tree implied it), in that the guy doesn't have a leg to stand on. He's a cutthroat criminal who'd, to quote White, "strangle his own mother" for the sake of power, control and most probably money. Those suits aren't cheap. Even with the Crusader blockheads it was interesting because they kept saying things like "Why would we NOT blow up a hospital?" and "We should have started working with murdering criminals earlier!" and "Who's on dog-kicking duty today?" and so forth, so it was clear they were the bad guys.
But with Cleo... She did look like she was trying to do good and I'm not sure how many people she hurt directly. Well, that dead PPD guy she sold out, obviously and... Well, me, can't forget me. But that's not quite the "hospital blowing up, works with murderers" kind of problematic that has an easy solution.
I guess I could default to the old standby of "I want peace and security, but I want it the right way!" which is what I used to justify saving the Council in Mass Effect, and indeed, sending honest-to-god hard-working citizens to their deaths seems like the wrong way. Who are we really protecting here if we sacrifice civilians without a second thought? Even if it's one civilian, it's still one civilian too many. But then how do I justify taking HER out in return without being a hypocrite? Can I really argue that the cop was innocent in that he was doing his job but Cleo wasn't because she did this on purpose?
And I guess a Chief Interrogator's decision - even if it's a death sentences Judge Dread would be proud of - is final. But that seems like more of an excuse.
What I had gotten from that is those stories is that the Resistance are tools and everyone puts them to use. So it did not seem that different....plus from the perspective of overwhelming ego, I wasn't in any danger. (Okay maybe titanic ego, I had been doing Power arcs).
I don't know...I feel sorry for your character now. She's discovering that humans suck. -
Quote:"Mo's" seems to be de rigeur on the sites I cycle through during my daily surfing.Originally Posted by Marcian Tobay
Okay, my question is: What is the collective noun for a group of gays? Is it a gaggle of gays? A queue of queers? A rainbow of fabulousness?
I mean, I know the collective noun for lesbians, but the gays, I don't know.
On a vaguely more serious note, it really irks me that all terms for non-hetero lifestyles have come to have gender specific connotations. Gay is "homosexual", but everyone takes it to mean male. So I have to specify "gays and lesbians" in any conversation that should bring them up, which is, of course, most conversations involving Glee.
Thoughts? -
GG is totally a Crusader.
-
Quote:I killed Washington and still wound up Loyalist by the end of Imp City.Originally Posted by Aquila_NA
I was in a similar situation on my first time through.
Wanted to go Loyalist/Responsibility all the way through but Cleo (yes, AND Michael) were just too cool for me to kill her. Figured that I could get away with offing Washington and continue going Loyalist. Problem is that this one decision locked me in to Resistance all the way past 20. Now, part of it may be that I was running with a SG mate who was doing mostly Resistance missions, I don't know. Wish I did know the all of the branching and how it actually effects alignment.
Spoilers!
I think I leapfrogged like this: Loyalist at start: Betrayed Washington: Went Resistance: Betrayed Jackhammer: went Loyalist again: Helped Arvin(sp): Went Resistance: Betrayed Wardog: now currently Loyalist at 17 in Neutropolis. Oh, I did turn off xp a few times. -
I think, that this would be the part of the story where the hero soldiers on, numbed by the shocking developments, but she's a trooper and keeps going and eventually...hopefully will find a way to see that what she is doing is right and proper.
And sadly, the Power arcs can go a ways towards reinforcing "What I am doing is right and helping the people of Praetoria." It is self aggrandizing but you don't have to do the self aggrandizing yourself. You're still genuinely helping people in Nova from a Loyalist perspective. -
Some spoilers, nothing specific except location badge stuff, but still:
*SPOILERS*
In the game, the Wardens are clearly the people who will help maintain order and restablish civilian government. They have people all over the place, from government, to clockwork programming.
The Crusaders get the most press because they are the scary ones and the one's PC's seem to wade into the most. There is a Warden arc devoted solely to upending one of the Crusader's most ridiculous schemes. However, once you get away from Nova, the Crusader, Freakshow side (with a singular exception: Hatchet) gives away to the "screwed over by the government" foes. They are extreme, but their stories are extreme. I totally screwed them over. It didn't feel good, but it was amusing reading Marchand freak out about what the resistance AND the Praetors had been doing behind his back.
As for how bad things are, I got the "Knows the Truth" badge after wandering around the undergound in Nova being lost. I got the badge after finding the area where the PPD routinely brings large numbers of people for mass slaughter. I'm paraphrasing, but that's what the location description said. Of course I think the abandoned morgue under the Nova hospital is worse there are still corpses there.
There are certain things about Praetoria that are only open to interpretation if you completely ignore certain mission lines or haven't been exploring. Praetoria is messed up and yes, the Wardens, Longbow, and Dark Watcher and Friends will make it better, unless Longbow, Arachnos, and Malta make it worse in the process. (Yes, I meant to put longbow twice.)
However I still went loyalist at the beginning because I would rather work with Marchand to mitigate Crusader stupidity. Plus I got a badge for switching sides five times. After that I've kind of lost count after I turned off XP a few times so I could keep getting missions in Nova and Imp City. The only way to be truly "good" is to go back and forth and judge who deserves to be gaffled the most. -
Quote:Lol Regen STDOriginally Posted by LunarKnight
Step 1: Destroy MJ & Peter in the comics
Step 2: Stop using MJ in the movies
Step 3: Start using Gwen in the movies
Step 4: Gwen is brought back to life in the comics
I for one am guessing that Norman gave her some sort of ultra regenerative STD when he got her pregnant, but it took her longer to revive from the broken neck than it took him to revive from the glider impalement. -
I am turning off XP so I can do ALL of the contacts in Nova. That's how bought in I am.
Oh and emailing SO's from Yin's grocery to my Praetorian absolutely ROCKS!!! -
There is actually some Science! thrown in there too with their cybernetics. There seems to ba a wide variation between Seers, some so powerful they can all but free themselves (maybe mutants?) and others who have trouble filtering the thoughts of those around them.
I wonder how many women with inactive psychic potential were "awakened" after surgery and being put into the network? -
Currently working on Canain, a "refugee" from Mother's hospital. He's currently on loan to Power's Division, however as he grows stronger, the drugs and conditioning will start losing their hold...then all of those pent up memories will come tumbling out.
-
*Rowr!* *snarl!* Let me in! I am ready to play!
-
I don't like Velma's efforts to make over Shaggy...especially those horrible, horrible tight pants.