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The problem I have is that if your are going to say stacked buffs/debuffs are overpowered, you need to look at teams stacking damage auras. Just as powerful and melt invincible missions just as easy.

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You need to work on your math Hobo. Additive damage auras are nowhere near competitive with force multiplying buffs/debuffs.



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Have you ever stacked 4 or more Spines/DA's? Much safer and just as fast as any all defender team I have ever been apart of.

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If your going to nail stacked debuffs you need to do it across the board and nail stacked damage auras, aoes, slows, etc.



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I don't have a problem necessarily with stacking, it's ultimate numbers. But in any event, damage does not 'stack'. Damage is an instant resolution event. Stacking isn't really applicable.

I don't disagree that controls have the same problem as debuffs. Hence the hated purple triangles.

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The problem I have is that if your are going to say stacked buffs/debuffs are overpowered, you need to look at teams stacking damage auras. Just as powerful and melt invincible missions just as easy.

Cheers!

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I recognize that people who rely upon broken mechanics as a crutch for their poor skills are often terrified that their uber abilities will be taken away and that you are acting according - it may not have been concious, but it's definitely a factor.

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Way to try to bait someone into a flame war troll!

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*evidence*

More unprovoked name calling

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I would hardly call that flame bait unprovoked. That was classic trolling.

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all-defender teams are at one of two extremes. They either do exceptionally well, or crash and burn faster than you can blink.

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That is for sure. Funny how Repeat Offenders always gets hauled out as an example by people that don't play with us. Believe me, there are plenty of wipes, and no, not all of them are my fault.

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I agree that wipes are very easy with some all defender teams. But would you also acknowledge Hobo, that a well constructed Defender team that uses their buffs (they don't have to be skilled just use their powers) can be invincible?

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I would not say invincible. Even though all defender teams are rare for RO these days ( heck I play a scrapper with RO most times, we blasters, Khelds, an all tank SG, etc.)

But as we have said, you need to have a decline on stacked damage.

For instance our new project on Justice is Fire/Storm controllers, the whole basis is stacked Heat Feat/aoe dmg, or with our Kinves of Artemis project with stacked caltrops. Or our in the works /DA project, stacking CoD, OG, Fear, etc.

If your going to nail stacked debuffs you need to do it across the board and nail stacked damage auras, aoes, slows, etc.

But even in these teams, mistakes happen, people die, so I wouldn't say they are incinvible.

Cheers!

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I recognize that people who rely upon broken mechanics as a crutch for their poor skills are often terrified that their uber abilities will be taken away and that you are acting according - it may not have been concious, but it's definitely a factor.

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Way to try to bait someone into a flame war troll!

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all-defender teams are at one of two extremes. They either do exceptionally well, or crash and burn faster than you can blink.

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That is for sure. Funny how Repeat Offenders always gets hauled out as an example by people that don't play with us. Believe me, there are plenty of wipes, and no, not all of them are my fault.

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Link

That thread is pretty much the reason for this one.

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Aha! I see the reasoning now hehe

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Nope, think it works just fine now. Can use those extra strength on the large team to survive the bigger spawns, more bosses, etc.

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Need More Winter Lords!!!

Winter Lord Explosion!

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Replace the winter lord with gigantic winged babies?

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YES! YES! YES!

Need More Winter Lords!!!

Winter Lord Explosion!

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Lighthouse worked for Sony, whom removed his soul and sent him over to us, which is why he is the way he is.

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Oh no you didn't! SNAP!

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"...just ask the Repeat Offenders - Pinball Wizards, FFoF and the like - how many tanks *they* need... Brutes are not tanks... not all Controllers are Stormies. Very few, in fact." -- Memphis_Bill


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Did Sister Psyche and Manticore in a jiffy with no tanks in RO teams this weekend. Rarely ever have a tank on our teams. Manticore we had some Perfect Stormers, no stormers on Sister Psyche.

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Looks good! I have mixed feelings about the tech tile set, but you used it well. Easy to go overboard and get cluttered. Dig it!

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Which poster(s) finally drove you away?

I bet we could get a nice gathering to publicly stone them.

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The PvP forums. Those threads get chopped down like no tomorrow.

Will miss ya Cuppa. Cricket has a big mug to fill.

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Notes: Pinball Wizards is part of the Repeat Offender network. We now team with the whole coalition, including Bubblicious, Shadows of Salvation, Perfect Storms, Faithful Friends of Fallout, Think Tanks and Apostles of Ro. This means we are now running more than just kinetics though we have in general pretty kinetic heavy teams.
-Teklord

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Oops tek typed a bit too fast -- The link forgot a letter. It's Repeat Offenders that S makes all the difference.

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Just about everything in Repeat Offenders would apply to this thread, now who wants to list the 20 odd SG's/VG's?

Just see the link.

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C-Lab's Guide to the PvP Empathy Defender...

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--- SNIP ---

This is the WORST Empath Guide I think I've EVER read in my life.


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Ahahaha this is a joke right?

Then again your part of one of those groups that thinks you own Freedom, so I will dismiss it just as much as I dismiss you and your entire VG/SG.

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Any of these work great for Fortitude for Empaths:

(2) Enzyme Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Debuffs, and Endurance Reduction:

(3) Membrane Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Increase Attack Rate:

(4) Cytoskeleton Exposure - Increase ToHit and Defense Buffs, and Endurance Reduction:

Before ED I ran SS and Six Slotted Hover and that was not bad, but now I run SS and SJ. Wouldn't bother with anything else.

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Very well done Lab!!

It's not suprise that we have nearly the same exact build haha.

If your an Empathy Defender and want to PvP effectivly, listen to this man!!

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Thanks for the morning laugh. I just stumbled onto this thread. Despite my post count I am really out of the loop.

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I play Rob/FF MM or Energy/Thermal Corruptor when I play CoV.

My CoH characters are a Rad/Rad Defender (of course) and an Energy/Dev Blaster.

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When you fight Lord Recluse, does he just run 300' away and drop your toggles.

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Dont play the set myself but from what I can tell they are in more demand now than ever, in some casses teams usually dont do to well without them. So where is it exactley they need attention? maybe Storm? or Archery?

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We've got issues abound. Chances are you really wouldn't notice them unless you played a defender. Yeah, the entire TA set is an issue.

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The uselessness of every defender secondary in PVP is an issue.

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I grabbed a copy of the "Defender Issues" post a couple weeks ago and am working through it in my spare time. Considering the length of it, I will probably have gotten through it sometime in Janurary.

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Hate to be a jerk, but I will believe it when I see it. My faith in attention to defenders was lost a loonngg time ago unfortunatly, please prove me wrong.

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My favorite so far was walking by a Penumbra Elite Assault talking to his troops said "you guys are 33% less accurate than you were last month, whats up with that?"

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HAHAHAHA That is the best one yet!

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Me and CTab make no sense together. It's like my wierdness is bouncing back into me. I don't even think I should post our current conversation.

Cheers!