HelinCarnate

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You are for sure a fanboi.. deathagizer bunny?? jojo the bunny??.. you defending his stance every chance you can... heh...

typical? make an effective argument?.. try reading comprehension.

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Yes it is typical. Those that cannot make an effective arguemnt tend to use different tactics beyond the realm of normal logic and reasoning.

I.E. 2 people came to a simialar conclusion that opposes what I believe. They both have toons whith the name bunny in them. One of them must follow the other and write whatever the other posts to feel better about them self. It is obvously not because 2 people that can think for themselves came to a similar conclusion that differs from my own.

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this conversation bores me.. either way, you havent read all my post in this thread because i clearly stated my argument. I said fanboi simply because you defended a stance that did not need to be defended.. smurphys logic is simply illogical, however you felt the need to defend his stance.. atleast it seemed that way.

my point and undeniable fact.. nothing can take damage or withstand as much damage as a fully slotted, IO'd out, stone armor brute. with the exception of a stone armor tank. therefore the argument that was made against my post was pointless IMO. Sure any other well made brute can take on boss spawns.. sure fire armor can deal more damage.. very good points... but it wasnt my point.

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OP asked about speed of killing, not the most difficult to kill. No one disputed that stoners were difficult to kill. We were disputing that a set with -65 recharge penalty would not kill as fast as other sets without said penalty.

No one disputed that the penalty could be overcome. Just that the same amount of efort overcoming said penalty applied to other sets would benifit the OP better than using stone. Perhaps you should try your own advice and work on your reading comprehension.

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I would say you're an idiot but that might be against the rules of the forum.

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explain

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I'm guessing they're referring to the way you used the term "figure of speech" then slammed another user for not understanding it the way you used it. The normal way "figure of speech" is used is as a label for commonly used phrases that don't make literal sense like "I caught his eye from across the room."

What you used was more of a hypothetical example, not a figure of speech. And thus it's annoying when you misuse a term then impugn someone else's reading comprehension when they don't follow.

I could be wrong, but that's my take.

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thank you webster... actually, it means this:•an example of figurative language that states something that is not literally true in order to create an effect.

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Wait so you cannot stand in the middle of 16 EBs and go afk?

Elec/Shield scrappers anyone?

Better yet. I actually giggled when I read this part.

Enhanced Difficulty Options - Players can now fine-tune their difficulty levels by telling the game exactly how they want to be treated. They can choose to be regarded as a specific size team (even if they are soloing), and even have control over the level they are detected to be when it comes to the dynamic spawn system. So if you ever wanted to see if your Scrapper could take on a map that is populated for an 8 person team, four levels higher than your own, now you can! The difficulty settings of the mission owner dictate how the mission is handled, just as before, and you can change your difficulty settings at any Hero Corp.'s Representative in Paragon City or Fateweaver in the Rogue Isles.

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You are for sure a fanboi.. deathagizer bunny?? jojo the bunny??.. you defending his stance every chance you can... heh...

typical? make an effective argument?.. try reading comprehension.

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Yes it is typical. Those that cannot make an effective arguemnt tend to use different tactics beyond the realm of normal logic and reasoning.

I.E. 2 people came to a simialar conclusion that opposes what I believe. They both have toons whith the name bunny in them. One of them must follow the other and write whatever the other posts to feel better about them self. It is obvously not because 2 people that can think for themselves came to a similar conclusion that differs from my own.

And Sardan finally pointed out the most important factor. Fun. At that point speed does not matter. Me personally, I have fun by trying to see how fast I can clear a map. Others have fun by taking weak slow sets and turning them into actual killing machines.

I do not like Elec/ because of the inconsistant damage and the fact that the one killer aoe is on a 90 second timer.

I also do not like /Stone due to the need to overcome the speed, and recharge self debuf applied to it. Damage is less of an issue on brutes due to rage.

Others do not like the rage crash of SS and cannot get past it. Some love multi levels of protection from things like /WP or /Dark or /Stone. Others would rather have one main type of mitigation like SR, Elec, or Fire.

Once again, play what you enjoy and the the speed will be less important to you.

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Currently farm lvl 52 bosses at the aggro cap. So no I am not used to just 1 or 2 bosses with the rest minions and LTs. With my aoe most everything drops about the same time and additional attacks would just be a waste of endurance. That chain with rage crahses and hasten crashes is a killer on the end bar.

You don't need granite to survive. There are plenty of other options that can be made just as difficult to kill wihtout having to have 5 purple sets and 2 LotG just to be at 0 recharge. Not saying it is useless. Just not very flexable. Go figure a big rock not being flexable.

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I don't farm, but if I did, would be farming for purples outside AE so mixed groups. My experience is taking standard +1/2/3 set for 6-9 (8 on unyield is effectively 9) mobs solo, and there with the mix of bosses and others, the AoEs kill the minions and lieuts, but ST attacks are needed for the boss(es). The occasional TF pool drops from bosses outside AE don't hurt either.

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Although I do have the platform farm and that one is fine with just AOE attacks as well. You heard up about 3-4x the aggro cap and drag them over out of LOS along with the boss. You get a constant line of minions and Lts running to you as you are taking out the boss.

On mainly overnights at work so teams are not great for me and I hate asking others to pad my mish.

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If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?

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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.

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hey, Smuphy fanboi, it was a figure of speech.

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Typical. When people cannot make an effective arguement they try and tear down the person. Just because in this case we happen to have a similar thought process does not make me his fanboi. If anything he is my fanboi.

And I'm sorry but what part about what you said was a figure of speach? Because in context, I have never heard any of that as a figure of speach before.

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If my daughter starts crying while I'm in the middle of 16 elite bosses or if I'm hungry and I want to go make a sandwich, I can. You?

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Yup. I work at home and play between calls and am afk alot. Not sure why you would want to have the aggro cap of EBs since they give the same inf as bosses (in AE anyway but that is the only place you will see that many in once spot). You seem to want to make things harder than they have to be.

Currently farm lvl 52 bosses at the aggro cap. So no I am not used to just 1 or 2 bosses with the rest minions and LTs. With my aoe most everything drops about the same time and additional attacks would just be a waste of endurance. That chain with rage crahses and hasten crashes is a killer on the end bar.

You don't need granite to survive. There are plenty of other options that can be made just as difficult to kill wihtout having to have 5 purple sets and 2 LotG just to be at 0 recharge. Not saying it is useless. Just not very flexable. Go figure a big rock not being flexable.

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Spine/fire/mu

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Looking to put Shielders to shame? o.o

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AOE imob with this would just be too wrong. That is why I don't think Ill ever see it. But if scrappers change to the side of evil and if they can get patrons..... Big IF

Everyone seems to think it is not an issue because they have found easy ways around it. What the OP is asking for, I believe, is to not have to do those things to avoid the hollows.

I normally play villians and every once in a while make a hero. Every time I always forget and end up in Steel and then am told I have to go back to the hollows and do a talk to mish. I am also a badger and end up using my skip mish on my first mish in outbreak to get to lvl 2 so I can get the isolator badge. I'm all for dropping the mish that sends you to the hollows once you have done it once on any of your toons. Same with the PVP zone reps.

Just like in real life. The rich would continue to do the things that made them rich and the poor would continue to do the things that made them poor.

Spine/fire/mu

The 3 attacks in my attack chain are footstomp, elec fences, and ball lightning. My single target attacks are there for the sake of holding purples. This attack chain would not be possible with a reduction in my recharge. I need 0 outside help to attack fast and am not stuck with TP as a means to get to where I want to go quickly and I can jump into a middle of a spawn to make sure my AOEs are hitting everything. Can you do that in granite?

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I would worry more about the people who get off on threatening people's lives and love nerd raging on the internet. Those of us who enjoy baiting them to us its really no different than tapping a fish tank to watch the fish swim faster.

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QFT

You should hear the fun things people say when you use powerboost, boost range, aim and TP them from an area they think they are safe. Also lots of fun to do the same to the droners on the other side of the fence. They tend to be not so tough without their drones and heavy protecting them.

OMG you may actually have to work and save for something! This cannot continue.

The next thing you know similar things will start to happen in real life. I mean you won't be able to get that Farrari for $10k or a beach side mansion for 50k if stuff like this gets out. Everyone should just have the same amount of stuff no matter if they are a cashier at McDonalds or a CEO of a multi billion dollar company. It's just not fair.

end /e sarcasam

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If you happen to choose a set where one long recharge attack has all the DPS, then yes stone armor will be bad news, but on other sets where the DPS is better distributed then stone armor is fine.

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Like most aoe attacks? Footstomp on a 20 second timer. Patron aoe attacks on 20 and 32 second timers.

I can get them under 7 seconds on my /WP but good luck getting that in granite.

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Best farm or AOE brute for boss spawns would be SS/SA. IO'd out, they are unstoppable!

Best farm or AOE brute for LT's is either SS/SD or SS/FA. I've never seen a good SS/FA but I have a fully IO'd out SS/SD and he absolutely murders LT's!

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You could take your Fire Armor Brute against Fire Blast bosses. Then you'd be equally unstoppable, have more damage tools and not have the penalties of Granite.

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True, however AE centric it may be. For a more diverse and unstopable boss killer, I vote stone armor. Granites penalties are easily nullified with some nice IO's.

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And those same IOs will help the baseline of any other set even more than Granite. Granite is only popular farming build on freedom where the dumb masses don't know any better.

All I would do is change crane kick to knock up instead of knock back.

Would not do it myself but would not complain if that option was out there.

So Ill take my 50 and PL several toons, one at a time, until they reach their max each time. Not really worried about lower returns on my farmer toon since it is finished. So this would really not do anything to farmers but would potentially hurt those doing regular missions on a team that burns through them quickly.

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B not sure, have not made one of those. 3 recharge and a little global and rage is perma

Edit to add, it is not just footstomp but rage that is the kicker. Since it also adds constant bonus damage to your patron AOE attacks it ends up being better total damage. Add shield in there as well and you have some pretty impressive damage potential. Im just not the one to ask how to build a /shield brute.

With high recharge SS with MU patron does better than Elec.

Yes and maybe. If you opt for tough and weave then you will want stamina or dark consumption and stamina takes fewer slots for a tight build.