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You can build one in the mission architect, can't you? could try that if you don't get any bites

I love every time a CoH post pops up on Kotaku, or any other MMORPG post besides wow for that matter

some idiot always goes COH is still around? Or I didn't know this game still existed! or something dumb along those lines.


Of course you didn't know it still existed. Obviously you don't like the game, so why would you google it every day to find out if it was still around? An MMO doesn't die just because you don't like it... but everyone believes the world revolves around them, etc etc etc

cool

Most of my characters are heavily based upon or copies of something, but they're so obscure no one would ever really know or care.

For example one character is based on a specific NPC mob from another MMORPG Anarchy Online.

A few characters are based on specific G.I. Joe costumes from a specific year that no one but real hardcore Joe fans would recognize

stuff like that.

Loading screens are waaaaaaaaay longer than they were before i16, for me at least.

I didn't even play. The Matrix Online died friday night so I was all QQ and emo

...because Sunday, in front of all the little magnenites watching around the world, wave goodbye to those tag team title belts, cause we're gonna be on you like an A+ on momma's fridge

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Meh. Barely worth a chuckle IMHO. Forced stupidity for the purpose of attention deserves no more than a passing glance

Natural stupidity with the intention of being serious should be worshiped. This is why UniquDragon is our savior.

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Yup. It was funny until he busted himself.

But, the CoH forum mass is easily amused and in general everything goes over its head so no doubt this'll still get like 15 pages.

Sewer music. Never gets old.

You know which music I'm talking about.

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Why should they treat people equally? They should do what is in their best interest.

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The way they went about it wasn't smart, but the overall goal makes perfect sense to me.

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Again, see the part about the people pissed off and lost. Makes no sense to me. Just how many people are these supposed "community leaders," and I stress the quotes, going to be bringing over? I think the whole thing is ridiculous, personally. Population of a game is directly related to how good that game is, in my opinion, not by who's playing it.

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Sure, every company has their fanboys. When Apple, Microsoft, Sony, and Nintendo make big announcements, they don't do it for their fans. Those people already belong to them. They don't need any extra marketing. Its all done for the customers they want.

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That's... silly and like saying customer retention isn't a part of any business anywhere.

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Makes no sense. At all. CO and CoH are in the same sub-genre, they are going to be direct competition. If Cryptic was able to get any influential players to jump ship that would be a good thing for them. They might be able to bring others with them.

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How does it not make sense? At this point, you aren't looking for beta testers, you are picking out people who you think are going to get a lot of buddies to come over. That's not beta testing, that's a free tryout. When people sign up to a beta, they expected to be on equal ground from day one.

Being active, and helpful on the CO forums and earning your way into a beta spot from that day one is one thing. Being picked because you have a lot of friends or SGmates or whatever on a different game is not treating people equally.

And look where things are now? They got busted and many of those potential players who were patiently waiting are alienated and possibly turned their back on the game altogether. Not really a smooth move if you're REALLY picking said people because you think that will increase your playerbase. Bottom line, if there was nothing wrong with it they wouldn't have been so secretive about it and issued an apology when they got caught with their hand in the cookie jar.

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Besides, Cryptic already has their fanboys that are gonna play their game when it releases no matter what. Those aren't the people Cryptic needs to worry about right now, they have them.

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Okay, I'm sure there will be at least a few people like that but this is pure assumption and not any kind of factual information that you can base anything off of or use in any kind of persuasive argument.

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Muniklord nailed it better than I can. I'm sorry if I have upset you and I'm sorry if CO has upset you. I'm sure neither of us set out with that goal in mind.

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I think anyone could have nailed it better than you did. I'm sorry you feel that someone pointing out irony in your insulting posts equates to them being upset over it, or giving two [censored] about what your opinion of them is in the first place. You should stop making so many assumptions about people you don't know.

Or don't, hell I don't care.

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I disagree. Closed beta isn't for fanboys to have fun. It's for improving the product. If a company feels that person A would do better than Person B, that is ok. The company didn't do something wrong. If somebody feels insulted by not getting picked, they should get over themselves.

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It has nothing to do with feeling personally insulted, and apparently you twice missed the part where people who had no interest in the product were chosen over someone that does. If you think that's an okay practice by a company, well, okay, good for you. Obviously the company agrees with you, 'cause that's what went down. The point is whether you can understand why some people feel that practice is shady and unethical or not. The point is whether you can understand that some people feel that your past experience or "status" in a separate MMORPG should have nothing to do with a new MMORPG's beta testing.

It's not about if you agree, it's about whether you see the viewpoint or not.

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I don't misunderstand at all, you do. They went after INFLUENCIAL people in their exact target market. The people beating down their door are just people, groupies if you will. They want people that have the ability to bring as many people as possible once the game goes live.

Viral marketing.

It can backfire though, if the product sucks those same influencial people can influence a lot of people.

Just so it's clear, you are upset because you were not offered a beta despite wanting one, while someone else was?

If that is the case you are not one of the people I'm talking about. People get upset all the time when they aren't picked first for dodgeball.

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You basically just said what I said in a different way, so how am I misunderstanding? We're not talking about me, and nowhere did I mention my status in regards to that game. For all you know, I'm in the beta. That doesn't mean I still can't be disgusted about how they are treating prospective potential subscribers.

Deciding who is influential and who isn't based on... well, whatever the hell they used this game to base it on is ridiculous in itself. Sure you can do it, but that doesn't make it intelligent. Your explanation of it displays that pretty clearly.

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If we are basically saying the same thing and I more or less rephrased my original post then I guess neither of us are misunderstanding. At which point I'll just resort to the low road and say - you started it

Sorry, you said "people like me" I figured people like you are you.
There are 4 possibilities:
-you are a guild leader and were picked
-you are a guild leader and were not picked
-you are a 'nobody' in the lineup waiting to get in the club
-you are a 'somebody' in the lineup waiting to get in the club

I don't care which one you are, but being "distgusted" is very immature. Celebrity (or in this case, being a person of influence in their eyes) brings certain advantages and disadvantages.

If you are still waiting in line to get into the party and you are pissed cause others got bumped ahead of you then I'm sorry.

If you were picked and got offended I'm sorry

If you are a leader and didn't get picked I'm sorry

You sound as petty as the people that cry when they don't get in beta here.


From my understanding they targetted a number of people that were guild leaders, or otherwise have meaningful influence over a fair number of people. They are not omnipotent and missed some good candidates and probably picked some bad ones. I wouldn't call that ridiculous. I would call it intelligent, though we obviously differ on what we feel constitutes intelligence.

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So, you're resorting to insulting me now? Telling me I sound petty and I'm immature? It's funny you can't see how ironic that is.

It's not a party, it's a beta test. You seem to be mistaken on the issues, so until you can post proving you understand the difference between a party and a beta test, your entire argument is worthless and fail.

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I don't misunderstand at all, you do. They went after INFLUENCIAL people in their exact target market. The people beating down their door are just people, groupies if you will. They want people that have the ability to bring as many people as possible once the game goes live.

Viral marketing.

It can backfire though, if the product sucks those same influencial people can influence a lot of people.

Just so it's clear, you are upset because you were not offered a beta despite wanting one, while someone else was?

If that is the case you are not one of the people I'm talking about. People get upset all the time when they aren't picked first for dodgeball.

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You basically just said what I said in a different way, so how am I misunderstanding? We're not talking about me, and nowhere did I mention my status in regards to that game. For all you know, I'm in the beta. That doesn't mean I still can't be disgusted about how they are treating prospective potential subscribers.

Deciding who is influential and who isn't based on... well, whatever the hell they used this game to base it on is ridiculous in itself. Sure you can do it, but that doesn't make it intelligent. Your explanation of it displays that pretty clearly.

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not to dis what he's done... but from what I understand the CO dev staff (Emmert is not a dev over there, IIRC) isn't 100% professional in their public remarks about CoH/V. Which makes me wonder how good their work ethics are if their ethics are not 100%.

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I haven't seen anything they've directly stated about CoH/V, but I have been getting this same impression from that whole team. The whole "I'm sorry... (that we got caught)" thing with inviting popular CoH players to their beta certainly didn't help. I don't think those were the devs though, which is why I generalized it by saying the team.

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It was likely their marketing team that came up with that idea, but if people want to believe it was Jack soliciting them they will.

I have a hard time blaming them for targeting influencial people in their exact target market. I'd be a lot more upset if that game was live and running, that would be poaching. As it is I look at it as "hey you are an 'expert' in this field, would you test our product and give feedback?".

I understand PS getting mad at it, but I don't understand ANY player getting mad. Not only is it a compliment to you as a player, but it is a free opportunity.

I drive a nissan, I sure wouldn't get upset if Toyota sent me a letter asking me to test out their new car in development. I could understand Nissan getting mad if a Toyata rep came in to a Nissan dealer and did it, but there is no reason for me the customer to feel anything other than excited.

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You misunderstand. The reason it made people like me upset is because they provided beta access to people in another game, who in some cases weren't even following champions online or had any intention to do so. Meanwhile, beta is still closed for people to people who had been eagerly following the game and been signed up and waiting, and in many cases, still are as I type this.

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not to dis what he's done... but from what I understand the CO dev staff (Emmert is not a dev over there, IIRC) isn't 100% professional in their public remarks about CoH/V. Which makes me wonder how good their work ethics are if their ethics are not 100%.

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I haven't seen anything they've directly stated about CoH/V, but I have been getting this same impression from that whole team. The whole "I'm sorry... (that we got caught)" thing with inviting popular CoH players to their beta certainly didn't help. I don't think those were the devs though, which is why I generalized it by saying the team.