Grey Pilgrim

There are more instances throughout this thread. I chuckled when I read Redlynne's comment, as it's certainly the flavor you have given throughout this thread. If it's not your intention to do so... you need to work on your writing skills and what you say. And I do not mean that in a harsh way... there have been plenty of times in this thread where you have thrown me and others for a loop.

Anyway, I'm still glad people are working and caring on all this. I just haven't had time for the forums lately, but I appreciate THB and others still talking to Arbiter Hawk and posting their Kheldian concerns. Talking about it doesn't mean action will happen, but doing nothing certainly means no action will happen.

I know, it's really... really sad.

Sure, the idea to make Confront a little more unique is interesting. If it was merited or even possibly needed. Scrappers get enough survivability as it is and are unique enough as it is. If a Scrapper player can't even see how a Scrapper plays differently (and in good ways) compared to Brutes and Stalkers, this conversation is doomed for a resolution.

Nothing suggested in the OP would make my Scrappers more unique than they already are (and they are unique compared to my Stalkers and Brutes), and I would much rather see dev time focused on something that is actually needed in game.

Like I said earlier, this is the 1% complaining about how the 99% might actually be evening the field by a slight bit. It's silly to even be having this conversation, but I suspect it's lasted this long due to the gawker status merited from watching people that want to have their cake and eat it too. The only thing that could make this worse is if we were rickrolled and linked to Jersey Shore reruns at the same time. *shudders*

What would a Jersey Shore version of a rickroll be, anyway? A Snookibomb? *shudders again*

While true, there are also a limited amount of resources the devs can put into the game at a time. They have to pick and choose what needs more help, and I can name many powers, ATs, etc., that could use more tweaking than Scrappers need at all. Even though I hate how over-priced the Flying Disc power is, I see more use in that (something that any player and AT can use) than giving Scrappers something else to "be more fun."

I mean really, Scrappers need more to stand out or be fun? They do great damage and have great survivability, and they have no popularity issues (oh, and Arcanaville and others have pointed out, they get more unique +damage powers than Blasters do). I know you don't mean it that way, but this is like the investment bankers around right now that are complaining about how hard things are because they're having a slightly more difficult time sending their kids to private schools and paying off their private yachts.

Scrappers take pride in kicking butt and have Scrapperlock--they have clear niche and don't need any more help to be "unique."

He just asked about slotting a tank well for damage, not about other ATs.

To the OP, there are a lot of ways to up your damage well. Slotting powers well (like getting your damage to the ED cap while still getting a decent amount of recharge) are discussed in a lot of threads and guides. To my mind, frankenslotting is okay when you only have so many slots to put in a power, but it's usually better to get a bonus of some sort. Usually you can balance between slotting a power as best as you can while still getting IO bonuses.

And your primary and secondary do make a big difference. Fire and Shields are more offensively oriented defense primaries for tanks, and slotting for them is different than, say, Willpower. Knowing what you're going for would be helpful.

There are a lot of up to date guides in the Tanker forum that you can check out as well. If you're interested in the Fire primary or secondary, you can also check out the link in my sig.

Works well on my E^3 as well. Helps him a bit with his recovery (he has a lot of toggles), and in recovering end when he uses those powers. The damage boost is a nice pairing for him. I have Musculature on my En/En Blaster as well... it's nice enough that part of me wishes my Archer and Dual Pistols Blasters had it, but the recharge and +heal (for Heal Self) from Spiritual is better for them.

I think by "nothing too impressive" you mean, "I can't dedicate my whole life over a weekend to a game." I got my Dark/Elec Dom from 28 to almost 32, and my StJ/EA Brute from 48 to 50. That's all I could do in the few hours I had, and I'm content with that. Might have done a little better if I hadn't run some Maria Jenkins missions with a team once I hit 50, but he had a few shard drops at least, and the double inf.

Now I just have to get the Brute enough Alpha components that he can participate in Tin Mage TFs this week.

It was nice to see all the TFs going at once, though! Anyone manage to do story arcs outside of Maria Jenkins? I kind of miss running story arc teams... doesn't seem like it's possible to get much of a team going outside of TFs and Trials these days, but maybe that just reflects my own play patterns.

I don't want Peacebringers to have a different or new playstyle, so we can agree there.

Not really seeing your reasoning with the other stuff. Sure, you can kind of/sort of control the KB from Solar Flare if you're hovering (though that requires a certain kind of playstyle, rather than being open to the player's choice), but no other melee PBAOE damage power has that same issue. War Mace/Battle Axe? No problem. SS, Broadsword, Katana, Fire Melee (and more)? No problem. There are no good reasons for keeping the KB in Solar Flare when it was removed from melee damage PBAOEs YEARS AGO. Peacebringers do not do scads of damage in human form and the KB in this power weakens an already weaker performing set.

I have talked Pulsar to death earlier. I'm not sure why anyone is content to use a weak, not useful PBAOE mez (and it is not useful... I want the KB out of Solar Flare, but Solar Flare and Incandescent together can do more than Pulsar might do).

Funny. I could have sworn I've been asking you to back up your statements for... ages. I'll be nice and tell you stop being Fox News.

Wait, what? There is something missing here. If a Scrapper was able to tank Scirocco for your team (with you "defending"), then he probably was not SO'd (or other teammates were buffing him, or he used a lot of insps). All your Peacebringer could do for him is throw an occasional heal his way. You can't buff his resists or his defense, you have a paltry heal.

Sure, heals are nice on STF (that's usually all my Fire/Fire Tank needs on Recluse, though I use insps to get my defense and resists high enough to stand up to his ridiculous damage and +to hit), but he had to either have some buffs from other teammates going, or inspiration use. It's commonplace for teams I've played with to just pull all four patrons at once, but that's usually with someone that can take more heat than a Scrapper, and more help than a Peacebringer can give. My IO'd Fire Tank (with higher resists than most Scrappers get) had issues with the patrons before being Incarnated, so I'm skeptical that you are giving us all the info in this example. Seriously, no amount of "creativity" is going to make a Defender or even a pocket Defender out of a Peacebringer. I love 'em, but they are not Defenders.

And yeesh, work on that last paragraph with Dwarves. I'm not even sure what you are trying to say with all that confusion, but there is definitely nothing specific. Just... work on phrasing and be specific so we can discuss that deeper than the obvious "there are pros and cons" to each dwarf form.

So, so, so VERY true.

You but the ugly thing, you've got to live with it and yourself.

I'd try bugging that toggle thing (unless it's turning off from zone to zone and that's how it's supposed to work). You overspent on that thing, you might as well have overspent for a power that works well.

MG aside, I've seen a few of these things around and I honestly don't know why people have bought them. It's the cost of a new powerset (I still don't have Titan Weapons, though I'm thinking I didn't like it enough to actually buy it). 10% inf isn't that much, and for people that have been around as long as MG, I don't know how that drop in the bucket is possibly worth it. Inf from defeats is nice and all, but the big cash comes more from drops... and even with my luck with purples, I make a most of my cash from occasional good drops and a little crafting. Heck, I'd maybe use this thing some if it was free, but I really wouldn't worry about 10% that much.

I know you stand by your purchase, MG, but I'm not seeing the value you are.

I already find it ridiculous how fast hoverboard is... if it didn't detoggle, I would be irate. Besides animation issues, it's a purchasable power that could possibly replace other powers, like you said. The devs were worried enough about how prevalent Ninja Run was (doesn't seem to be as bad an issue anymore), but that one actually has limitations below Super Jump (and I believe SS) that hold it back from me using it on too many characters alone.

Purchasable stuff like the hoverboard and flying carpet should be for fun, not to replace things like Fly.

I mostly have the same issue with my Energy and Electric Blasters, and that's case in point for why the crashing nukes need help. I don't know if I'm 100% on board with the crashless nukes being fine in a world with Judgement, but the crashing nukes definitely need help.

If you're puzzled, I'm even more so. Pretty much all your responses to my posts say things that have little to do with what I said. That takes a lot of work. Like I said last time, you may not be trying to straw man, but you're pretty much getting there through your approach.

This part of your post makes it look like people are calling for buff after buff, balance be damned. I don't think I've ever seen a post calling for additional changes here in the Kheldian (or I21 beta) forums that does so. People disagree on what they should be and how far they should go, but most posters have been notably concerned about balance. I'm certainly in that category, because I know I worry about it with any of my ideas.

This part of your post also suggests that I want Peacebringers to mez as well as Warshades, when I have done no such thing. Making Pulsar a guaranteed Mag 3 would not suddenly make Peacebringers do better mez than Warshades. It would, at best, make Pulsar competitive with Gravitic Emanation. I say at best, because Gravitic has a much faster cast time, which would still make it more usable than Pulsar. 1 versus 3 seconds is a lot with how combat can go in CoH.

Even IF that change was made, Warshades would still do better with mez, because they have another mez power (and a good WS player can do well with Inky Aspect).

Heck, even IF Peacebringers got an equivalent to Inky Aspect, I don't see that as making Peacebringers overpowered in comparison. At best, that's an equivalent. Mez capability is not some fragile line that is the only thing keeping poor Warshades from being overwhelmed by their Peacebring brothers.

But I'm not even asking for that! I'm asking for Pulsar to have a Mag 3 guaranteed. Put it on rough parity with GE and any other AOE mez out there.

Asking for KD rather than KB in Solar Flare is much in the same lines: it's not an overpowered request, but a request for parity, much like we finally have with Inner Light and Mire, Eclipse and Light Form.

This particularly takes the cake. I'm reading things my way? I'd say you're a pot calling me a kettle, but I'm not misreading you, the evidence is all over our posts. You are constantly and consistently attributing things to me that I am not saying!

And alternative options? I love alternative options (so thanks for yet again attributing something to me that is not there), if they make sense. You're not providing a response to my arguments or even an alternative option to think about or roll with. If I am arguing that there is evidence for Solar Flare and Pulsar needing changes, the response should be to argue against that evidence. Your response is boiling down to "my Peacebringers do okay," which is not even what we're debating in the first place. I'm not going to go with an option that has nothing to do with what is being discussed. The closest you get is suggesting that Warshades need to have superior mez, but like I pointed out above, I'm not arguing for a completely even field!

I don't even get the excel spreadsheet comment. I've looked at other good tables put out by people like Smiling Joe, and I'm pointing out specific things about the powers that are unequal to other, equivalent powers. If you're reading spreadsheets so well, you should be able to appreciate how much weaker Peacebringers are at mez, and how Solar Flare's KB can restrict their capabilities in Human form. If you're not able to see those things, I would rightly question your ability to read how powers work and apply them in game.

Enough for now, but the previous posts are rife with things like this, which I've kind of even pointed out before (Human is not the Tank form, so it should have great enough strengths that the tank form does not have, etc.).

*added*

Ack, I completely forgot to add that Inky Aspect STACKS with GE, meaning you can take a boss out of the fight, something Pulsar will not be able to do with my suggestion (but Pulsar will be more useful with every other mob type, at least). Probably didn't need to remind most, but it was worth adding.

And I apologize for being a little cranky with the above, but I feel like I've had to repeat these ideas for YEARS (we were saying this stuff well before I21), and it's a little frustrating to have to say it all again to a poster that has been around for all those threads, AND to have to deal with constant misrepresentation of what I am even arguing for.

I was going to say this about the earlier mention of the "Scrapper" issue. Most of the damage is front-loaded and will really hurt/defeat mobs. Through in another AOE, and you should be close to defeating lieuts, I would think (they're extremely hurt on my Fire/Fire Tanker after Burn + FSC, so they have to be defeated or close to it for Scraps). It's really not an issue, particularly with how Burn now works.

Frankly, if you're Fiery Aura and don't have it and Fiery Embrace, you're not thinking straight. The two are awesome powers (and more interesting than the overpowered version that was around early in the game).