Gorgog

Only played Ice/Cold to around the 20s but to be honest I was thinking of it more as a single target PvP AT. While AoEs can be good recharge on them and the fact the ppl can quite easily leave the AoE can limit them.

As far as I know a couple of slows in snow storm and infigigate will low movement speed to capped min. While you may want to go further in order to slow ppl with slotted movement you may be able to same some slots here as Ice/Cold will slow well enough as it is.

For my play style (for PvP) I would base it round Infrigigate, Snow Storm, Benumb and Heat Loss and slot accordningly.

From what I can remember Arctic Fog is more or less on a par with Steamy Mist (with slow res instead of confusion?) and as such may be better slotted with a couple of end reds and dam res (reaching about 30% dam res) defence on stealth powers tends to be very small and not worth slotting.

As I say didnt play it long enough but think untill level 38 even with stamina end may be a problem, but no doubt youve already noticed that .

Hope this helps.

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My apologies, my first post should have said "oh god please no, not another one". Whether and when you first made one isn't relevant - I have one on Defiant which I made sometime in Feb 2005 but there's no way I'd ever play him in PvP I'd be too ashamed. That's not a comment on you it's just the state of play.


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So instead you suggest one uses I3 FOTM */Dev? Perhaps the uber Fire/Dev as everyone used to have?

When I made my Ice/Nrg I had to put up with people telling me I shouldnt as controllers can hold bosses better and scrappers can kill them better.

Now when I ask a question about them the reply is "I would be too ashamed to play mine" no doubt cos its too uber and everyone has one.

The fact that Ice/Nrg is a quite common AT for PvP hasnt completely escaped my awareness nor do I actually care. People can play whatever they like as far as I am concerned, I was really only asking peoples view on a single question.

If youve bothered to read this far Lady White any idea what epic youll be going for in I7? .

P.S. Not actually as pissed off as I am coming over as but your comments came over as A) Having little to do with the thread, B) Suggesting I stop playing one of my old chars in order to make yet another one, and C) That I was jumping onto some sort of band wagon. I have Doms, I have Defenders for PvP I just also happen to have an old blaster I want to use aswell and dont feel the slightest bit ashamed about it . Apology accepted though as I am sure none of the above were intended .

Just waiting for the time someone says my MC/Ice Dom is FOTM too common to play!

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On a more constructive note, there are other blaster builds that are effective in PvP, curiously now, I've seen a very entertaining */Dev (OverTkill) in Siren's who is pretty funny and a Stalker hunter (and part-time Dom hunter as well ). It's great to see someone like that who isn't massively overpowering and yet still effective.


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This is constructive? As I said I made my Ice/Nrg pretty much before anyone ever made a single PvP build on a euro server.

So why on earth would I want to stop using him and build another one that I did not think of from scratch just because fanboys decided to make them?

Even nicer on TF . But Bone Smasher and Energy Punch are energy's toggle droppers.

Since I move around alot I often find myself in the red having escaped ppl, long enough for a heal but not for a rest, couldnt see meself w/o self heal tbh, and it means your not so much of a drain on your healer when teamed.

PFF can also work well with heal, at least vs some players and the disorient res can only be a plus .

The fact that you can just press follow to follow your opponent and that you dont have to be facing them to attack pretty much takes alot of skill out of the game.

Change that and player speed and reactions would count for so much more. Otherwise its pretty much common sense what target to go for and how best your powers will help a team, just because not everyone spends the time to learn it doesnt mean its not easy.

Most people who would argue otherwise probably see themselves on some unreachable PvP plinth but are the 1st to call for 'nerfs' when outsmarted .

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Just get it out there ASAP we desperately need more Ice/En.


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This cannot be stressed enough.

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Actually it can, esp given what has already been said. Anyway points go to Jackhobo for comming up with the best solution.

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Make a build with bonesmasher

After that Ill reply.

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Would seem that is your reply to my only question.

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I think it's probably better to first go for Energy Punch rather than Ice Bolt, and get Bone Smasher in there somewhere, it's the best power in the secondary.


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Thanks.

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Just get it out there ASAP we desperately need more Ice/En.

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I made my blaster in I3/4 before arena and most people, not my fault everyone has copied me .

Just respecing my blaster and finding it hard to fit in bone smasher. Should I or will Energy Punch and Total Focus be enough you think?

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Name: Mr IceNrg
Level: 50
Archetype: Blaster
Primary: Ice Blast
Secondary: Energy Manipulation
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01) --> Ice Blast==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Rechg(11)
01) --> Power Thrust==> Acc(1) Acc(46)
02) --> Ice Bolt==> Acc(2) Acc(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(7) Dmg(9) Rechg(11)
04) --> Build Up==> Rechg(4) Rechg(17) Rechg(31) TH_Buf(34) TH_Buf(34) TH_Buf(46)
06) --> Aim==> Rechg(6) Rechg(15) Rechg(17) TH_Buf(27) TH_Buf(33) TH_Buf(34)
08) --> Freeze Ray==> Acc(8) Acc(13) Hold(13) Hold(15) Rechg(25)
10) --> Hurdle==> Jump(10) Jump(42)
12) --> Combat Jumping==> Jump(12) Jump(42)
14) --> Super Jump==> EndRdx(14)
16) --> Health==> Heal(16)
18) --> Bitter Ice Blast==> Acc(18) Acc(19) Dmg(19) Dmg(21) Dmg(21) Rechg(25)
20) --> Stamina==> EndMod(20) EndMod(27) EndMod(31)
22) --> Hasten==> Rechg(22) Rechg(23) Rechg(23) Rechg(36)
24) --> Acrobatics==> EndRdx(24) EndRdx(36)
26) --> Aid Other==> Heal(26)
28) --> Power Boost==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29)
30) --> Aid Self==> Heal(30) Heal(31) Heal(33) IntRdx(33)
32) --> Energy Punch==> Acc(32) Acc(36) Dmg(37) Dmg(39) Dmg(39) EndRdx(40)
35) --> Boost Range==> Rechg(35) Rechg(37) Rechg(37)
38) --> Total Focus==> Acc(38) Acc(39) Dmg(40) Dmg(40) Dmg(43) EndRdx(43)
41) --> Personal Force Field==> DefBuf(41) DefBuf(42) DefBuf(43)
44) --> Temp Invulnerability==> EndRdx(44) EndRdx(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(45) DmgRes(46)
47) --> Force of Nature==> DmgRes(47) DmgRes(48) DmgRes(48) Rechg(48) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(49) Run(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> EndRdx(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Defiance==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Any advice muchly appreciated .

So much is about the attitude and if someone is willing to learn from getting killed alot.

Not everyone does solo invincible mishs when they hit 22 but many people can and do. Unlike PvE in PvP you have no choice over your opponents skill setting so all you can do is either except losing or become one of the best, slowing down the game will not do anything to help.

Gorgog

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The amount of stalkers out there explains that its a beginners AT.Its the best solo PVP AT to have for racking up kills and learning.Furthermore dont tell me about levels and relation to skill because we all know how a vast majority of stalkers levels out there.Is called papering 24/7. Fastest way to get a stalker to 30 in a few days. So level 40 doesnt prove any skill.Even trying to indicate that the level is a skill indication is a bit of a joke.I can point you a fair bunch of level 50 heros that play like level 1's in the pvp zone. The difference is a stalker from level 6 and on is easier to play because he relies on a specific inherent power to perform and is really REALLY easy to play.Now dont tell me a stalker is difficult to play cause i play 2 stalkers and yeah well its no rocket science to hit AS every time you are near someone. Limited paths of tactics and limited creativity when it comes to stalkers for pvp is what you have.Feel free to argue that but its a big truth.Purpose of a stalker is always the same.Follow, AS run away. PvP to its most simplified form.


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Surely playing all ATs well is about learning what powers are most useful and how to use them? Doing paper mishs goes quite a bit towards learning how to hit and run which is all stalkers need to do, at least in 1v1 and also to some extent in teams.

True stalkers dont have that many other ways to fight and it could be argued that it takes far more skill to play a troller, dom or MM well but then that goes for other ATs like scrappers, which lets face it take hardly any more skill to play then stalkers.

Problem ppl have with stalkers isnt that they take less skill to play but that they can one shoot you IMO.

Gorgog

Live fast, die faster!

As long as there is some time for skill to make a difference then the faster the fights the more exciting, surely?

Since it is easy to make a char that can kill stalkers and never be killed by them even stalkers are no problem .

Dont know why other people do PvP but for me its because PvE is too slow and too easy.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

With a spines would have FA so should be able to see stalkers with hide and stealth, as quills isnt auto hit though you can still be ASed through it .

Gorgog

Thanks for the comments not sure if I will actually level the guy further as there is anoth combo, if I make a scrapper at all that is, that is probably better i.e. spines/SR (quickness on ranged attacks ftw!).

Any build I make I plan for what powers will be in at level 50, I find as I level I get powers that I feel are most useful at the time so its really just a guide to me of what I want at the end and not to overslot by mistake.

Went for acc as 3rd adds about +20% and without tactics or FA I wanted to make sure I hit every single time.

End red in attacks would be good if your fighting constantly but I really just saw this guy as flying high up in warburg or the new area and nipping down to give a quishy a shock, then poping on elude and flying or SSing off.

Chances are any immob enh in anything is pointless for pvp but its really just there incase someone hasnt prepared properly.

Caltrops are just there to prevent ppl getting away for the ~20 seconds it should take to kill em, also to help prevent a stalker from using AS when I am fighting (since I would not be able to see stalkers).

For real prolonged PvP and not ganking would prob have to go for FA and laser bean eyes I would have thought, no?

Anyway not trying to make excusses for a bad build just saying that those were my thoughts behind the slotting, with only one interupt red in heal self will it be interuptable by DoTs?

Well if I do go down the SR scrapper route I'll remember your advice .

Gorgog

Arena does though and alot of the high level PvP goes on there .

Gorgog

Think its just over 6 mins to recharge and given its lasts 2 mins your vulnerable for 4. Nice of the devs to put in PFF into the same set with aid self blasters are not so squishy .

If you take high damage prime and secondary would say force is far ahead of the others as it covers a blaster's main weakness. Quite shocked that so many PvP builds out there dont have it TBH.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

My very 1st scrapper build so please be gentle .

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Name: Musashi
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Katana
Secondary: Super Reflexes
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01) --> Sting of the Wasp==> Acc(1) Acc(3) Acc(3) Dmg(5) Dmg(5) Dmg(7)
01) --> Focused Fighting==> EndRdx(1) DefBuf(7) DefBuf(9) DefBuf(36)
02) --> Flashing Steel==> Acc(2) Acc(11) Acc(11) Dmg(13) Dmg(13) Dmg(15)
04) --> Focused Senses==> EndRdx(4) DefBuf(15) DefBuf(17) DefBuf(42)
06) --> Build Up==> Rechg(6) Rechg(9) Rechg(17) TH_Buf(19) TH_Buf(19) TH_Buf(45)
08) --> Hasten==> Rechg(8) Rechg(21) Rechg(23) Rechg(25) Rechg(25) Rechg(36)
10) --> Practiced Brawler==> Rechg(10) Rechg(21)
12) --> Air Superiority==> Acc(12) Acc(50)
14) --> Fly==> EndRdx(14) EndRdx(31) EndRdx(31) Fly(43) Fly(43) Fly(45)
16) --> Aid Other==> Heal(16) Heal(40)
18) --> Aid Self==> Heal(18) Heal(23) IntRdx(34) IntRdx(37) Rechg(37)
20) --> Quickness==> Run(20) Run(42)
22) --> Hurdle==> Jump(22) Jump(42)
24) --> Health==> Heal(24)
26) --> Soaring Dragon==> Acc(26) Acc(27) Acc(27) Dmg(29) Dmg(29) Dmg(31)
28) --> Stamina==> EndMod(28) EndMod(48) EndMod(50)
30) --> Super Speed==> EndRdx(30) Run(50)
32) --> Golden Dragonfly==> Acc(32) Acc(33) Acc(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(34) Dmg(34)
35) --> Evasion==> EndRdx(35) DefBuf(36) DefBuf(37) DefBuf(43)
38) --> Elude==> Rechg(38) Rechg(39) Rechg(39) DefBuf(39) DefBuf(40) DefBuf(40)
41) --> Agile==> DefBuf(41)
44) --> Web Grenade==> Acc(44) Acc(45) Acc(46) Range(46) Range(46) Immob(48)
47) --> Caltrops==> Slow(47) Slow(48)
49) --> Dodge==> DefBuf(49)
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01) --> Sprint==> Run(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Acc(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Rechg(2)
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Pretty much for hunting squishies from above, for anything else prob swap web and trops for FA and lazer beam eyes.

Gorgog

Was tired last night and missed that u only have 3 slots in heal, would go for 3,2,1 (heal,rechg,end red) for the heal.

SS tanks and brutes can be nasty really due to perma +Acc from Rage .

LR is almost perma with 2 rechg, AM and hasten, maybe 1 Acc is enough but I like to be certain meself.

Also when you fight do you summon and use debuffs in mid air? That way you are still moving a little while rooted, prob not much help vs a good player but every little helps I think.

Vs ATs with pets I find its best to drag them from their pets, Fire troller esp, with fear you can then summon Phantom in between the player and the pet/s for KB and PA close to the player and as far away from his pets as poss. As you know we have little way to set up containment so PA makes up a lot of our damage and therefore you dont want their attention divided.

Hope this has helped.

Gorgog

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Hmmm then i must be something wrong, since my Illu/rad seems to do worse than my fire/ff in PvP.. prolly bad slotting then... Now that i managed to kick some regens butt, a fire/kins hit me even on my ID... and whats worse, an invul/ss tank did that later (OMG!).. nevertheless I revenged with my fire/ff later

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You prolly are, its a very rare day if I loose on my ill / rad. Ill take on your fire / ff anyday if your up for it, with my ill / rad troller. Just have to be on test server cause right now Im running a pure PvE build.
Btw ice / kins are also very nice for 1 on 1 pvp, except against defence sets or sets with good tohit buffs like rad.

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Well my build is the following (I respecced at lv50 trying to get a nice PvP build, but something went wrong ). Any comments/advices welcome:

Archetype: Controller
Primary Powers - Ranged : Illusion Control
Secondary Powers - Support : Radiation Emission

01 : Radiant Aura hel(01) hel(3) hel(5)
01 : Spectral Wounds acc(01) acc(3) dam(5) dam(7) dam(7) recred(46)
02 : Blind acc(02) acc(9) recred(13) recred(15) recred(15) hlddur(37)
04 : Accelerate Metabolism recred(04) recred(11) recred(11) endrec(25) endrec(27) endrec(27)
06 : Hasten recred(06) recred(9) recred(25)
08 : Combat Jumping jmp(08)
10 : Swift runspd(10) runspd(37) runspd(37)
12 : Group Invisibility recred(12) recred(13) recred(36)
14 : Super Jump jmp(14)
16 : Health hel(16) hel(17) hel(17)
18 : Phantom Army recred(18) recred(19) recred(19)
20 : Stamina endrec(20) endrec(21) endrec(21)
22 : Radiation Infection thtdbf(22) thtdbf(23) thtdbf(23) defdbf(29) defdbf(43) endred(45)
24 : Lingering Radiation acc(24) recred(31) recred(31) recred(31) slw(34) slw(34)
26 : Acrobatics endred(26)
28 : Spectral Terror acc(28) acc(29) ferdur(40) ferdur(46)
30 : Assault endred(30)
32 : Phantasm acc(32) acc(33) dam(33) dam(33) dam(34)
35 : Enervating Field endred(35) endred(36) endred(36)
38 : EMP Pulse acc(38) acc(39) recred(39) recred(39) recred(40) hlddur(40)
41 : Indomitable Will recred(41) recred(42) recred(42) defbuf(42) defbuf(43) defbuf(43)
44 : Mind over Body damres(44) damres(45) damres(45) endred(46) endred(50)
47 : Psionic Tornado acc(47) acc(48) dam(48) dam(48) dam(50) recred(50)
49 : Tactics thtbuf(49)

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01 : Brawl enhancement(01)
01 : Sprint enhancement(01)
02 : Rest enhancement(02)

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I would swap EM Pulse for either SS or Decieve, take out 1 slot from group invis and slot LR with 2,2,2 (acc,slow,rechg).

3 slotted hurdle and CJ would help you kite better, if you have any left probably put some into end reds in leadership powers.

Other then that the only way I can see you losing to a tank is if you just stand there and fight, though maybe Ive just been lucky, though I think I did once lose to an SS/Nrg brute when I didnt buff with AM and stoped to laugh when he shouted for me to stop running .

That is probably your answer though, never take your finger off the space bar and one of the direction keys.

Gorgog

P.S. Ill/Rad does seem to stink a bit in teamed PvP though .

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

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Thats what I said slotted SS and swift would be useful vs some slows that have -jump, more so then hurdle, not much of a difference between the speeds. Only mention of CJ was that I dont think youll be able to kite an Ice blaster with CJ (vs impale), esp. as you have no slow res, but I may well be wrong.

As you say you got the highest kill count so must be doing something right .

Gorgog

Sounds good, could do with the practice.

Gorgog

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How will a scrapper w/o vertical stop anyone using snipe?.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

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Name: Uber whirling death machine... of death.
Level: 50
Archetype: Scrapper
Primary: Spines
Secondary: Regeneration
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01) --> Lunge==> Acc(1) Dmg(39) Dmg(40) Dmg(40) Rechg(40) Rechg(43)
01) --> Fast Healing==> Heal(1) Heal(34) Heal(39)
02) --> Reconstruction==> Rechg(2) Rechg(3) Rechg(3) Heal(11) Heal(11) Heal(21)
04) --> Quick Recovery==> EndRec(4) EndRec(5) EndRec(5)
06) --> Build Up==> Rechg(6) Rechg(7) Rechg(7)
08) --> Impale==> Acc(8) Dmg(9) Dmg(9) Dmg(21) Rechg(25) Rechg(25)
10) --> Hasten==> Rechg(10) Rechg(46)
12) --> Dull Pain==> Rechg(12) Rechg(13) Rechg(13) Heal(15) Heal(15) Heal(19)
14) --> Super Speed==> Run(14)
16) --> Integration==> Heal(16) Heal(17) Heal(17) EndRdx(19)
18) --> Hurdle==> Jump(18)
20) --> Health==> Heal(20)
22) --> Stamina==> EndRec(22) EndRec(23) EndRec(23)
24) --> Resilience==> DmgRes(24)
26) --> Ripper==> Acc(26) Dmg(27) Dmg(27) Dmg(31) Rechg(31) Rechg(31)
28) --> Instant Healing==> Rechg(28) Rechg(29) Rechg(29) Heal(37) Heal(37) Heal(37)
30) --> Assault==> EndRdx(30)
32) --> Throw Spines==> Acc(32) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Dmg(33) Rechg(34) Rechg(34)
35) --> Tactics==> TH_Buf(35) TH_Buf(36) TH_Buf(36) EndRdx(36)
38) --> Quills==> Acc(38) Acc(39)
41) --> Focused Accuracy==> EndRdx(41) EndRdx(42) EndRdx(42) TH_Buf(42) TH_Buf(43) TH_Buf(43)
44) --> Laser Beam Eyes==> Acc(44) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Dmg(45) Rechg(46) Rechg(46)
47) --> Energy Torrent==> Acc(47) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Dmg(48) Rechg(50) Rechg(50)
49) --> Whirlwind==> EndRdx(49) EndRdx(50)
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01) --> Sprint==> Empty(1)
01) --> Brawl==> Empty(1)
01) --> Critical Hit==> Empty(1)
02) --> Rest==> Empty(2)
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Cant really go wrong as long as you have range on a regen. Must admit I cannot see how a recharge in lunge is better then a 3rd in hasten (reduces recharge by about 30seconds).

Dont think youll be able to get out of melee with an Ice Blapper with CJ and WW either. Its a tight build but swift instead of hurdle for supressed movement and slotted SS may be an idea, 1 slotted hurdle isnt exactly vertical movement anyway.

But what do I know .

Edit: Think even SR could take tactics and FA to see stalkers as Nin stalkers can have huge stealth through Hide,Stealth and Smoke Bomb. So tactics + FA is certainly no overkill.

OTOH does regen have much of a problem vs stalkers after AS? Fun to hunt em though.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Some ATs/Sets can easily work for both, I remember 1st reading Ice Assassin's guide to Ice/Nrg when the arena came out. He basically said it was a pure boss killer but fact is the combo is equally good vs players.

Would guess spines as well as you can have the AoEs and also have 4 ranged attacks turning you into more of a Blapper then some blaster combos.

Force bubble and phase though arnt much liked in PvE by many but certainly have their uses in PvP.

Probably the most change between PvP and PvE are in defender sets, +Acc for all and limited AoEs. Concentrating on burst damage and soft controls, buffs and debuffs and maxed movement IMO. Oh and having an empath with only one attack.

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Go Grav/Sonic troller and stack clarity on your pet.
With tough and temp invuln AS would be reduced buy about 54%, more with power boost (Prob to Troller Max).

Most of the time though your Singularity will see em well before they attack anyway.

Oh and if you really want to annoy them back just use Sonic Cage and Dimension Shift .

Gorgog

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Union
Trolls:Ill/Rad,MC/Rad,Fire/Storm
Blap:Ice/Nrg
Offender:Rad/Psi
Tank:Ice/Stone

Vilians
Stalker:Spines/Regen
Corrupter:Ice/Rad
Brute:Stone/EM

Well last time I rattle on bout Rad but Ill/Rad > Ill/Kin, purely as PA does a lot of your damage and benifits nothing from Kin but hits more often and harder with Rad debuffs. Kin may buff Phantom more but Phantom is a bit poo anyway.

Gorgog