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Originally Posted by Father Xmas

I think the OP may be referring to the power customization, location of attack origin changes in I19 and is confused.

Also it's LASER not LAZER.

Originally Posted by Megajoule

With regard to the Apex TF in particular:
You zone in at the top of the building, in the helicopter, not the bottom. When you take the stairs, you are already in the zone that the mission takes place in. If you look down the side of the building, you can actually see the exit, and whether it has an aura around it - a clear indication that it is all one zone. Your ignorance of this is unfortunate and weakens your argument for the general case.

A good player would be aware of the possibility of a damage aura at the door in that mission and take prudent steps to avoid it, rather than charging in like a n00b - or, if they insist on doing so, have the wisdom and courage to accept that it's their decision and their fault and not whine about it or demand that the game be changed to allow them to act carelessly.

Originally Posted by DarkGob

Yes yes dear god yes. And while we're at it, how about we make some of these contacts a little more interesting besides "random Joe Schmuck on the street"? If you read the bios you see that some of them are former superheroes but you'd never know it otherwise.

Originally Posted by Silver Gale

If you kill more things faster (because you put together a great IO build, or because you know exactly how to play your character to leverage their strengths), then you're going to get more chances for a drop in the same amount of time.

Assuming the system is completely fair (ie. no anti-farming code that lowers the chances for a drop if you kill too many things too fast), that means more skill = greater chance for reward in the same time. Or shorter expected time until the same reward.

Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan

Speed and skill have bugger all to do with anything. If you're running +0/x8 that increases the odds of getting shards, but it's stil controlled by the RNG.

Originally Posted by Dasher

I'm with the OP (Drummz) on this one all the way.
The Inherent Fitness was a great idea, but to make up for it I've had to choose several powers of little use to me (or my teammates), none of which I can afford to run or slot.
I'd have much rather been given the choice of Inherent Fitness or 4 extra enhancement slots.
Toons with Stamina-enhancing powers such as Willpower and Regeneration have benefitted from the Inherent Fitness, but others, not so much.

Originally Posted by Sardan

My take on this is that people have gotten used to a certain overall level of difficulty in the game.

Originally Posted by Samuel_Tow

That's a very one-sided way to look at it, Claws. Some of us are well aware of what work and cost mean, and play these games specifically to get AWAY from those real-life concepts. In real life, I'm a wimp. I COULD spend hours and days and years training up to become a professional athlete, but I'd just fail in the end, so instead I load up Prince of Persia where I can scale walls, vault between flagpoles, leap great distances and heal by drinking the water I'm standing in with my dirty boots. I play video games to get what I can't get in real life because I'm not good enough.

I don't try to tell my boss that I should be paid more because it's unfair that those more skilled and driven than get paid more. I don't complain to the state that the bus fare is unfair because I feel I shouldn't put forth the effort to make enough money to buy a ticket. I don't do these things because that's just how life works. But I just happen to not very much enjoy how life works and I wish that, at least in my pretendy fun games, I didn't have to be the one who sucks and the one who never gets anything simply because I don't want to put in the "work" in an activity that I engage in to get AWAY from work.

You cannot ignore or "fix" some people's desire to get back home after a hard day and sit down to relax with a game that lets you fly around and blast zap people in the balls, and where you don't have to deal with the stresses of real life. For some of us, we want this game to remain just that - a game. Not a job, not a sport, but a game.

Furthermore, I highly disagree with the notion that "It is the effort that makes it that much sweeter," to quote Farah. I know what I want. The things I want have a certain value and a certain cost associated with them. Quite on the contrary to the belief that the higher the cost, the higher the satisfaction, the higher the cost, the less an item is actually worth, because the higher its value has to be for that item to be worth it.

People always examine these situation from the viewpoint of already having put in the work. Once you've paid the price, OF COURSE whatever it is you paid it for will feel very satisfying, because its cost is already past and it's only the value remaining. I always look at these things from the other side of the shopping window. I want all the good toys, obviously, but before I even consider what it would be like to have them, I need to consider if I can, in fact, afford them. Most of the time, I actually can't. Every time I see FLIR camera footage, I remember I want to have one. Man, it would be SO AWESOME to have one of these... Until I remember that these things cost multiple thousands of dollars, which is multiple dozens of times more than I can actually ever conceive of paying for something that has this little practical use to me, personally. Would it be cool to have if one were given to me for free? OH HELL YES! Would I want to PAY for one? I wouldn't, because I couldn't.

Real life can be unpleasant sometimes, but the point of games is that they AREN'T real life. Even if real life isn't as pleasant as I'd like it to be, my games can always provide the kind of pleasant fantasy that makes the harsh reality of life more appealing. Facing situations in my games where I have to either work my *** off or go find a game for babies does not motivate me to try harder and excel. It motivates me to throw my hands in the air and go away. And I don't like it when games make me do that.

Originally Posted by Red Valkyrja

You could have sent in a /petition and have a GM pull him out of the lava. It could have been that a blast sent him into one of the rocks and trying to stand up put him under it, perhaps putting him just out of conversation range. <shrug>

Originally Posted by Mothers_Love

Yes, Personally its purely about the time invested in rolling another toon up to 50 without going the boring farming XP route (which is just not gonna happen).

Originally Posted by ABC123

He was completely covered by lava and it wouldn't let me :-(

Originally Posted by SwellGuy

What does the OP mean by 'skilled' players in the subject line?

Originally Posted by Energizing_Ion

2 "quibbles" about the ep. though for me. When Telford comes in and says 'follow me into the star (sun).' Where was a star all this time? I don't remember seeing one anywhere....

Then the 2nd "quibble" from me. Okay once they went through the sun/star and the drones were not a threat (atm)...why did they 'trust' Telford...why didn't he go through all the "can't trust you...you may be an alien/alien copy..." thing like the "old crew" went through the episode before?




But anyways...I think Chloe just sent an SOS to the aliens that captured her and that those aliens have been fighting these 'drones' for a while so they come in, destroy them and then maybe re-take Chloe...*shrugs*

Originally Posted by FloatingFatMan

Maybe that's the problem? He's had to leave his nice safe & secure AE building, and he's realised he's got to actually put some effort into things, now!

Originally Posted by TrueMetal

I did it on a SO'd energy/sonic corr with endurance problems. Knocked him back in the lava and let it wittle him away. It more than makes up for his regen.

Originally Posted by Fritzy

In case you missed the main point of my OP, I think something as important to the future of the game should be based on principles more profound than those relying on the RNG and Luck. Ramiel's Arc to open the Alpha Slot was a foundation that should be built upon instead of becoming an important but isolated mission.

In real life, I am the father of two grown kids and the proud grandfather of two wonderful children. I raised my kids with purpose and direction and they are succeed in life and the work place.

Imagine how those kids would have turned out if, at every important point in their life, I rolled the dice and solely allowed RNG processes to determine their fate. Progressing in the Incarnate System is no less important to this game than how the rearing of children is to their futures. We want those future Incarnates to be skilled, tested and proven worthy to claim the title and the huge reliance on RNG processes that is in place now is NOT the way to achieve that goal.

Originally Posted by ABC123

face it the game is old and all these updates are just lipstick on a pig

Originally Posted by Fritzy

Incarnate System: an insult to skilled players