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Teh day will come when they get nerfed but not in the way some consisitently whinge they should be! Take away AS then whats thier point? what next? defenders on the front line? corruptors and blaster loosing damage and range? Tis silly very silly and very one sided

/e shakes head in dispare

I wonder of folks actually read the blurb on AT's?? Stalker implies stalking - lurking - sneaking and they have the audacity toendulge in such practices
erm D'uh. Clear mind and leadership help you to see them and AS dinny always hit so their left exposed (lowHP remember) AoE's knock off hide the list goes on.....
(i heard a blaster moaning the other night @ a stalker who then pointed out the fire AoE does the above - said blaste then complained he never had it! Think over next respec if ur going for a PvP build whats good in PvE isnt always in PvP and vice versa)

We have all felt the nerf bat and are all still here - stalkers will be to. Its a great AT built more for PvP than PvE gratned but PvP is a huge part of the new set up. Its gonna be a case of Heroes thinking a lil more outside their comfort zomes and respec'ing for PvP as a lot have BTW its not a win win for stalkers or for vilains. Its really unfair to demonize a whole AT just 'cause YOU cant beat it.


I know this was a few post back but i diditn get a chance to respond to Knightingale - the pro stalker post are not just from stalkers and I didnt misunderstand you it was misleading which side of the fence you were actually on if indeed a side you were which is why I wrote what i did.
In all this negativity its hard to keep up with folks views sometimes.

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Yeah is a touch odd, but guess some folks happy hiding behind mobs. Then again some folks not happy about being killed in PvP zones, so takes all. If anyone wants to try a friendly base raid, so can test stuff out, lemme know tho. Nice SG activity, half time change bases.

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I agree with Confess there.
I dont see how having NPC mobes will 'improve' base raids if your not confident enough then why have you got an item of power?
But yeah some arent happy about being killed in a PvP zone so why should being killed in a PvP raid be any different and I have seen some hiding amongst the NPC's in BB as it is and in part trying to use them to kill somone (Dominator vrs a Controller to be precise, both merrily holding till the controller bolted but i digress)

Tis a tad silly and not makinhg a grear deal of sence either

I dont get why some are trying to draw battle lines either... PvP'ers vrs PvE or RP vrs the world surely we're all in this together?

Or is it that PvP'ers have more backbone? (seasonal jest)

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Just a short note for the regulars in Sirens, as much as i enjoy being in there, Agent will not be entering any of the PvP zones for a bit. From the tells and broadcasts aimed at me most times i enter, it seems that using CM or decieve is at worst cheating,and at best simply stopping the villains having fun.
I'll no doubt be back in at somepoint, perhaps when i've levelled my stalker a bit.

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I know its been said before here and I have to agree with TG (bah humbug). You shouldnt let it bother you folks moaning about you using your powers for what their for. Thats what an illusion controller is for after all - decieve is fun and clear mind is a saver from hold on either side (darn we dont get it...)
A lto of folks need to have a wee think about what PvP is for and how AT's act there - stalkers stalk - controllers hold etc etc - is it that hard?
Personally the nonsence about stalkers being overpowerd is ridiculous enough but when you realise ppl like you tip that balance back with your powers it makes sense to keep going. Stalkers have weaknesses just coz you prey on them doesnt make you a cheat - what a [censored] thing to say to someone anyhoo - tell 'em to come closer(within range) and say that Muah ha ha ha ha

PvP needs players like you - and thats coming from a vilain - just stop bouncing about so much lol

I'm glad to read the OP has changed his mind regards Twilight Grasp.

As Dead Calm and I both know from CoH (pre nerfing Fuzzis-r-us) this is THE best heal of the game! Not to mention the fabby area rez - the only one of that game - ner ner to having to 'wait till me rez precharges plz ppl' got a full team rezzed in one go even tho one was whinging as his lil corpse floated up.

OMG I had wondered how long it'd take for a stuff like this to appear. Puurrlease! *sigh*

Stalkers main point is the hit and run they cant stand and fight due to low HP. Its hardly dishonerable. The rights and wrongs of TP foe are another story entirely and its hardlt surprising that villains have taken up this action after what was and is happening from the other way. But that is another tale nowt to do with this and well nowt really to do with only this AT either....

They are not cowards, cheats, dishonerable blah blah blah whatever else you wish to call then they are doing what their AT is for - for goodness sake. Canny really expect a specialised AT's not to do waht ttheir for, in that case defenders shoud be front line attackers instead of healing and buffing in the background

Nerfing a whole AT just to make PvP seem fairer is totally silly. There was a villain fall out recetly regards stormies - villains have learned to deal with it - thats what you do - you find their weakness and go for it, you dont stand around arguin with them for doing their job. Thats not what PvP is about. Stalkers are a good AT addition to this game - how they play PvP is that player not his AT if you think logically about it

Players are exploiting all sorts of things all over PvP you cant blame stakers for doing the very thing they are made for, some may exploit that too but tarrring and same brush spring to mind.

For my tuppence worth i really dont think they are overpowered or need nerfed - TBPH its silly Cryptic made the AT for a reason and its working. Its just making folks have to think more about tactics rather than standing hitting buttons all night

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I agree with Viscord. I have been playing a /FF MM but I find keeping a team bubbled a tedious activity. I expect this is one reason why /thermal /ice and /sonic Corruptors sometimes give them a miss.

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I was about to ask the same as Jemma as it looks like you are replying to me

I think i found what Viscord says but plz quote if its miles back your post would make sence then.

In answer to his point on darks where he says that there are a lot of darks out there who are IHO clueless as to their powers erm thats a resounding NO- I gotta defend my race - darks powers are uber - no doubt there and the corruptors and MM's should be taking what tehy can when they can - that doesnt measn they dont know what their powers do ok some may want a blaster only but its uunfair to say there are a lot, and it aint laziness to priorotise twighlight grap itself a debufff too,although the lazyness can be said for some not all FF MM's who only bubble their pets - which is lazy TBPH. A lot of MM and CO with dark are dark defenders from COH who know their stuff believe me. But complaining that you have to heal or bubble is just plain sily - thats the point of those toons It bugs me folk whinging about having to do what their made for, well that and hero defenders saying they cant heal as their offenders - get a grip the only ones who need to attack are darks and kinetics same here.


Back on corruptors though

If you want to be a more team built healing type then the closest you'll get is thermal - it gets as close as villains dare to empaths and can actually do some damage 'offenders take note'
If you dont want to bubble, heal, debuff, buff or add shields then dont choose this AT - its like a stalker not wanting to hide or a tank who feart of everthing hitting him. It takes seconds to buff and bubble and helps the team emensly (MM's note thats T E A M not PETS)
I solo'd for ages on my ice which is why she has no shields but the others do and she will have before she goes into PvP (as i plnned that from the start)
IMHO i think its a cop out to complain about 'healer syndrome' its simple - dont make that AT or learn to deal with what you have i.e healing etc.

I have ice/ice, mind psi and plant thorn since last posting on this thread i've been looking into each a lil more. Ta for answering, the power set question for you.

Its all down to how you play i suppose, for secondery and which to choose its a case of do i want to be safe in the back spamming holds or live dangerously with a lil melee(ish) powers - me? I was kamakaze as Raven for healiong and am no dofferent as Dom or Corr lol.

Dominators will deffo rock within a team, the more the merrier tbph. With the mind psi set you have the advantage that few heroes if any have protection to them, the only prob i found was with confuse and trying to stop the team going for the ones who are killing for you till it wears off - tho some heroes do notice and dont play ball

I'm finding thorns are working great (toxic damage and can bring down flyers)and plant has a good range of powers from holds to confuses and sleeps. Its a matter of choosing well, hasten would be handy and maybe leadership, dunno about travel powers tho, i have fly on one and SJ on another - I prefer SJ but thats just me.

Its great to see controllers and now dominators are getting the appreciation they deserve and praise that might have been lacking without PvP lol

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That said I think corruptor possibly is the hardest AT to choose powers for since, it can both work as blaster/buffers/healers and debuffers and there isnt room for them all.

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Never a truer word spoken. Defenders are hard enough to make choices about (I've got about 7 potential builds for my D3 that I want to get round to trying on test at some point, including a potentially brutal disorient monster), and with corruptors increased damage output, it is made very hard indeed.

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and wgen ur an altaholic like my its a total nightmare, my slots are held up with various builds of corruptors trying to find a perfect build for me.
I just had to make a db/dm, dm is queen of defendersso i just had to keep ravens memory alive hehe.
got an Ice/cold built solely for Pvp which is massive fun and rad/kin which is great too - oh and a fire therm...
Bah wheres Drek when u need him LMAO.

I'm thinking of starting Altaholics anonymous......

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pity nobody fights in warburg , fights would be more fun with more powers to chose from .

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Totally agreed - give more villians time tho it might take off soon enough. It is a bummer being SK'd or Ex't though.


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even if im killed ,i always try to return for more fights , unless i get wife aggro and must log asap .


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Good attitude to have to PvP - rofpmsl @ wife aggro, i sympathise though even if i'm female but spare a thought for those who poor chaps need to face us wives in life and in game! PvP takes on a whole new angle then Muah ha ha ha

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(though finding a friendlier way of saying it might make people actually listen more )

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I'm not getting involved in your lil debate there folks but i do agree with the above line from Jemma - a lot of ppl could benifit from that advise not just Ammon to whom it was intended. Tho its getting alil heated ther.
Read over what you write before clicking that ok button - think how you'd feel having that said to you? Is what you wrote likely to cause offence, patronise or start a flame war? hmm? then dont as it wastes threads for others if you do. Some ppl will snipe no matter what its in their nature but dont encourage them and if you are that kinda person who likes it think twice purrlease
Bout the stars - yeah shame is doesnt tell you and shame you cant reassing one if you discover the person aint as bad as you thought lol
Right enough of that.....

/em takes mummy voice off

Right back to my point...

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I'm not sure everyone making that choice is aware how it'll effect their strategy and you'll get some players who will obviously not perform but those who are aware and make the choice with some thought behind it are likely to find ways to compensate using the free power slots they get from not taking the undesired powers.

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I agree again, a lot might not think it through when choosing powers and end up with cool names that do lil or nothing or ones that have no long term benifit. (Not everyone is like that of course). I tend to nip Hack's head when choosing; my PvP toons are built for PvP alone the choices reflect that, they may not perform so great in PvE (altho they seem to be doing well), my ice CO has no sheilds so far and is mad for damage and slow but its vice versa for my dark who is more PvE orientated, this is not to say you cant do both but its best to think before clicking 'what do i want this toon to do?'.

Ravenmyst is a prime example (tho shes a hero) she is a dark defender with psionics - totally brilliant in PvE - has the highest heal, debuffs and Fuzzi o'couse but she is mince in PvP unless she has a full team but even then her damage output is embarrassing even after respec for PVP.

Your power choices should reflect how you play in regrads to coruptors you need to ask yourself PvP or PvE or both if I can? and after that do i wanna be a team player/have heals? yes? get shields and heals picked. No? get all the damage you can. Think about travel power too, whats good in PvP might not be good in PvE and which suits a corruptor best? A lil forethought goes a long way me thinks

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I love a little PvP in Sirens but lately when I've been on with my defender I find myself alone or with heroes doing their own thing and a lone kinetic defender against several lurking stalkers running about is a fatality waiting to happen lol....as you would know Stalk-obot

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Aww bless, be more pushy for teams would be the only thing if that would help. Has he been following you? Just bribe him with beer or chocolate (or return teh favour when he's on as a COH toon )
I would have guessed teams would want defenders still, particulalry Kinetics ones, are a lot of heroes solo or summit?

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hoping that eventually more people will join the PvP fun

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Woohoo a positive statement regards PvP, good on ya Gandrel may many more take up that sentiment

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I've seen some Stalkers enter the zone and leave because they die once. They give up if they know they can be seen.

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Its a real sweeper of a generalisation to say that, stalkers are repeatedly getting bad press at teh mo a lot of which isnt warrented, their not the only AT in the zone you could flip that to any AT if you chose to but their not all alike.

I'm on defiant so cant comment on Union but its rare that villians outnumber heroes - some as said do leave if there inst an easy kill to be had and thankfully the tide is evening out slightly from the times of 1 villain getting squashed by 10 heroes, i read someone saying that PvP zones are not fair PvP but surely as the balance rises and more ppl play its becomes all teh better? It will take time for it to be totally flexible either way.

But i agree with Obot it seems some wont stick around if the balance is against them. Some from both sides find it hard to accept defeat and strop of outta the zone - thankfully the more regulars there become the less this will happen, well i'm optimistic anyhoo.

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My new corrupter IS actually built to be a healer / buffer. Basically I was thinking of what Alt I'd love to have running in a duo with my Mastermind main. Figured Dark Kinetics goes really nicely. But this was my decision and I wouldn't expect anyone to turn around and say "You're playing that corrupter like a defender noob" or something. Or if they did I'd use villainous language to make them cry like a wee girl

Corrupters are great that way though. Lots of room to experiment.

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Totally agree there, Lmao at your intended punishment tho

There is more room for personalisation with these than most AT's. There are unlikely combo's that work really well, experiment see for yourself.

Yeah you can heal but show 'em what else you can do

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Sorry, mate, but you're contradicting yourself here. You say you want it to stop, yet you continue to put your comments in on the matter...

I am going to drop it now, I have tried to put my thoughts across, if people continue to misunderstand, there is either something wrong with my English (Hey, I am only Dutch, after all...) or something with the receivers' English, since all my posts seem to be taken the wrong way.

If people do not -wish- to listen, I see no reason why I should try and continue to explain myself to deaf ears. Have a good one.

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Erm me thinks your missing the point of what i said its not contradictory if you read what i actually said and not a misenterpretation of it, posting from different sides of a debate is what this is for but you must concede the other persons POV is as relevent as yours.

The country of origin is irrelevant as shown many times, i judge a person as a person and how they post not as a country hell I'm scottish If i were to do that i'd be in constant batttle with my neighbours so I find that dig a lil off TBH.

Its the tone of posts and the negativity i dislike you cant expect to be treated with respect when you don't offer any in return, you misunderstand and maybe get misunderstood but negative remarks and condemming ppl or playing style is not they way to get folks to listen instead you get their backs up - what i want to stop is some people trying to turn this into PvP vrs RP if you read my recent post you'd see that - I think in that its me you misunderstand.

People are willing to listen I cant see anyone here who isnt, instead of jumping on teh defensive why not listen to others? respect and be respected its simple really.

Mah i cant believe this is still going on honestly chaps!

As for the PvP vrs RP vibe - give that a rest everyone, its out of order and irrelevant. Wordmaker i think said RP'ers are a secretive lot - agreed, and yes maybe there arent as many flames on RP boards but I wonder why? Is there any RP'er ranting ther regards PvP? nope tis all here hence the imbalance of flames.

Its going over and over the same points as they fail to sink in and its getting silly now. Your not Forced into PvP, just dont take that contacts missions or whatever as it stands you enter teh zone you consent - there is nothing any of us can do about it, if you feel that you are again take it up with teh Devs who can do summit not the PvP'ers who enjoy it and arent gonna be sympathetic. There is no need to comdem PvP on teh basis that you dont approve the populations of teh zones speak for themselves and ok warburg isnt excactly jumping but remember not to many villians are of lvl to enter yet.

This thread was started because someone wanted to know how to act in a PvP zone - the OP obviously wants to go there so this nonsense is waaayyyy off topic, i pity any new folks reading it on the premise of teh title.

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Yup never took it on my defender but on the PvP corrupter I will eventually, since the end reduction it might not be as end heavy as it was which was a nightmare even slotted for it.
Depends on how you play really like Nova said, PvE its kinda mince but good in PvP, like a lot of kinetics powers they dont cross over well but its dependant on your intentions

To a certain extent i agree however you cant condem those who like soemthing you dont. Not everyone like RP and some RP'ers dont paint themselves in a good light just as some PvP'ers dont either but this is by no meams universal for them all, but as I said before ppl manage to fall out here with or without PvP its hardly fair to say it alone is ruining a game or community.

I understand teh negative feelings of some but you cant expect the PvP'ers not to respond in kind when attacked. There is a way to get your point across without being rude. That stands for whichever side your on, name calling, deliberately misinterpreting statements and patronising remarks only cause bad feeling and the point that may have been there gets lost.

Those who do speak against dont always get jumped on, sometimes they do just as much jumping it has to be said I cant condone the wording like 'suck it up' or whatever you refer to but like I say you must see the tone of some post are gonna get folks riled.

Personally I have no problem with RP'ers or PvP'ers on teh whole. Once again you cant tar or pigeon hole people just because of a player or limited experiance. I dont mind ppl saying they dont like PvP but they must accept that some do - you cant expect respect for your opinion if your not willing to give it...

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Meh, perhaps not in so many words but your experiace and posts have been. Like i said its a shame what happend but its still not a true representation of PvP.

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Yes, neither was just about everyone else. Why weren't you?

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I was never interested simply because I was never that into PvP, DOAC and GW it was hard to avoid and I grew to like it in those games but I didnt think I'd take to it here and I was happy leveling away without arenas which didnt gain my anything unlike PvP zones which do. Only to discover I actually enjoyed PvP and am now breeding a couple of toons for that purpose.

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My experience has been part negative and part laughable, actually. And rushing to missions you take in everything around you, because you're very busy looking for threats. I don't like PvP, I avoid it, my build is not designed (specifically)

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Many heroes are not designed for PvP, Ravenmyst is adark defender with Psionics but due to the enhancement jiggery pokery she does about as much damage as a damp hanky, but can still debuff her lil heart out. I understand you POV on PvP though, they will never make summit that everyone loves its not possible but it had to be accepted that some do.

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Great bit of advise there to anyone entering the zones - use /whoall its handy to know whose out there. Above all its aobut having fun - OK some get outta hand but there are muppets everywher not just in PvP

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My personal experience in Warburg is that, when you actually find another hero/villain, they don't behave particularly well. So, IMO, the community spirit is suffering from having PvP in the game, not gaining.

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I really dont think thats true, Its new let it grow a lil before condeming it. I understand you dont like it but not everyone likes the same aspects of the game - not everyone likes RPfor example or the new power sets. Its not really fair to say its ruining the game or teh community. Folks can manage to have fall outs regardless of whether PvP exsists.
I understand why you and Aisla mught be Anti-Pvp but you cant tar them all with the same brush (oops de ja vu) the flip side of that is that you must show respect for those who do, its only fair if you want respected. This sint about other MMO's its about CoV and CoH, i never liked PvP in WoW but i like it here they are sure not that same thing at all...

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I understand you used the word 'farming' in there as a negative statement meant to insult Aisla and anyone else doing the same. At least we are there, in the zone, actually doing missions that improve your ability to splatter other toons over the scenery. Personally, I do dash from mission to mission and I'm quite happy to describe it as 'farming' because that's exactly what I'm doing. If Cryptic have been stupid enough to replace Dreck with an alternative farming mechanism which they think is legitimate due to the potential for PvP, then that's their lookout, not yours.

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I really dont think he meant farming in the way you seem to have taken it although i'd watch mentioning Drek so lightly as that does tend to awaken flares. I dont think everything is an insult to Aisla, most of us have bheen around here from COH early on if not from Beta and I'd rekkon the majority have played other MMO's too but this is CoV now not FFix or WoW etc etc.

Teh arenas were used, perhaps not as much as hoped but it stil stands they were. No matter what you or I think the fact is you enter a PvP zone then you are open target - something which if you dont approve of is a matter to take up with the Devs not the players who do like it - its not their lookout as its not Zep's regards replacing Drek (as you pointed out) not that he cares as poor uncle Drek must be awfully lonely these days

I am one of many converts to PvP altho there are many who were into it from arena and S4, i never used the arenas once but have been in zones numerous times and enjoyed it, its unfair or judge and condem all PvPers or PvP on limited negative experiance.

Its not personal, not should it be taken that way or made out to be its that which spoils threads, discuss why you dont like PvP and except others do but it should never be made personal.. However there is a negative vibe in all recent posts from you both, which in part i understand but you cant expect to voice that and for PvP'ers not to respond, its unfair to tar and allthat (de ja vu again)

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Yes i do which is why I wrote that. I was never interested in teh arenas before and I know a lot of others too - newbies included who are now into PvP you just have to read the AT thread to see that.
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My only experience is with Union, so forgive me if other servers are different (though I remember hearing Defiant was quiet). The absolute most I've seen in activity in Warburg was Sunday when I got attacked twice (badly). I know there are people out there running missions, because I see the messages, but I hardly ever actually see anyone.

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Well as a Defiant lassie I cant comment on Union but defiant PvP zones are not quiet. Warburg seems to have less interest but as most villains are not high enough tyet its not really relevent. But the other two certianly are taking off. Of course there are times when its quieter but you'd get that anywhere. Its a shame your only experiance has been negative but rushing to a mission your not gonna take in too much around you, but have a peeek in the other zones you might be suprised.

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Ok again I cant comment on Union and vice versa TBH. Warburg is less populated than the other two but again as above given time when villains hit higher then they too will get more action. Stalkers are a good addition for PvP dont tar them all because of one muppet plz.

Its not all negative, honest

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Firstly Eh? who mentioned stop whining? Not a very useful term and not one i've read here either.

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I have yet to meet a roleplayer who actively goes out to harass other players, makes them feel inferior and cusses them to kingdom come.

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This kinda shows a them and us attitude Aisla, RP'ers can be just as balshy as the next person whether in game or on here. This isnt about RP Vrs PvP'ers as that would be rather silly tbh. You cant tar all PvP'ers just becasue you had one or two bad incidents you've been around long enough to know you come across muppets in PvE or anywhere you cant judge something on limited knowledge of PvP here. Not everyone likes RP either and as I pointed out before for that most part RP'er are left in peace to RP away yet PvP'ers have to accept bad press?

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Again i refer you above, its impossible to say all PvP'ers are bad and therefore all RP'ers are good it just doent work like that.Just because I dont agree with some tactics used or teh rudeness some display (As labeled in a few posts your included) but it doesnt ruin my game and it should t ruin anyones either. Its still a point that by entering you consent - PvP'ers didnt make that rule Cryptic did. And as i said before If you want left alone ask - most will eave you. There are bad apples everywhere not just there.

This thread is about etiquete in a aPvP zone but seems to have a few pointers on board etiquete too. Everyone, whether you agree or not, whether you like that aspect of the game or not - have a right to post. It would break hell loose if someone went onto RP thread and slagged it now wouldnt it?

Some enjoy PvP others dont - let those who do play.

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[Broadcast]Bud: Where are all these evil villains I keep hearing about?
[Broadcast]Bud: Where are all these evil villains I keep hearing about?
[Broadcast]Bud: Where are all these evil villains I keep hearing about?
[Broadcast]Bud: Where are all these evil villains I keep hearing about?
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Now thats poetic justice PMSL

I loved the OP too, that was utter class! Now what was it I read about Americans and lobsters......

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I was asked nicely to stop as two people wanted to go head to head so I obliged, if they had been rude or arrogant then if I could manage it (most unlikely sad to say) I would attempt to turn them into sushi.

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Well done, many are far less polite.

Got to agree with the general tone. If you're in a PvP zone, you should expect to be attacked.

PvP is hardly new, though, just new to this game. A lot of the newer players out there bought CoV because of the PvP aspect. They know exactly what PvP is and have probably been doing it for quite a while.

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Yup agreed, originally the arenas (added a wee while ago)werent as big as they could have been but the zones seem to hav taken off and won a lot of new fans - me and Hack included and i think S4 helped in that(dunno but i think so)
I loved PvP in Guild Wars tho i admit i avoided it in WoW although i did like the 'flag and consent system' they have, i guess this is my home here and I feel comfy with the community here so it helps a lot.

It might seem a lil tough the fact you auto consent by entering but thats the design and until it becomes a flag sysytem like WoW then its best to stear clear. But i'd still say give it a go as you never know you might like it....

I dont think the healer syndrome exsists if you dont let it, some corruptors are ex-defenders myself included but the primary kinda gives you another role, as a dark defender you get precious lil time to mop around in teh shadows and empaths were really frantic but the healing aspect of corruptors is secondary here remember.

The new additions of cold and thermals are fab tho i must say, thermal being about as close to a 'healer' as their is but i have been in great teams with no healing at all - makes it harder but you compensate, maybe we got to spoiled having empaths before..

This 'forcing you opinion' thing is gonna get outta hand, its your game play it your way - ask advice if you wanna but no one should force you - i dont see how they can =/

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Actually if they work really well (because its about the person operating the build and not the build it self) they are prolly dedicated PvPers and the reason they will sit down and explain you is because they honestly wanna show you something. And you know they not talk about themselves they talk about the ones they kill usually.

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I think they have everyright to be proud - if you ahve a good build and are good at what you do then flaunt it baby..

Yeah ok there may be some a lil vain regards their toon and a lil over confident of their knowledge ~(i noticed that on another thred there, not you btw, i never recognised the name but anyhoo) but on the whole i find the regular PvP'ers are a great bunch (tho i'm still sulking about Hack AS'in me) they just get a bad press at times.

Simple rules for etiquette as lil ole me sees it..( i shudda added thisto teh other thread but i'm on that topic here so..)

1) If you dont know - ask, dont be afraid, you wont get shouted at or at least you shouldnt

2) If you get owned each time ask said killer how they do it, as i said before their more than happy to help, prolly after a lil banter but thats ok

3) Dont be rude about it - if you kill someone well done dont be nasty about it, if you want left alone ask or send a tell ppl will usually co=operate, i fail to see why ppl feel the need to be rude about it.

4) If you get ganked/hassled/whatever petition the person(s) and get screenie etc if you can dont drag it onto here, by all means ask or send pms but its getting a lil tiresome tbh. I get its annoying and all that but it desends into flames here, just get 'em back when you can.

5) Make the most of every outing - if you get squished learn from it and learn to combat it - no one is immortal (well i am IRL but thats besides the point ;p ) or undefeatable

6)Canny think of much else tho i prolly will when i sign off - but have fun tis a game, there is enought hate in teh world - Go kill something else and be happy