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about the length. You'd swear I broke post length records. My longest post is ony 4 thousand words + a few. Yet no mention about length in this post which is 5 thousand words. http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=297902.
Most of the rest are about 1600-2,500 words and there are more than few that fall into that range such as, yet no complaint about the length, so as muc has people say these things are too long yet seeing their silence about length in a post that is over 1,000 words longer than mine, I do not think the length is the issue even though some say it is. -
Quote:Well it dont seemed to make any difference much with it or without it whether people read it or not. The difference is that with the first set of paragraphs is that people mostly complain about the first set of paragraphs. Without it such as the most recent examples of posts like "Last 56" and especially "Online Gaming" still no one read anyways. So it isnt the first set of paragraphs that people are not reading it if they dont read the others either. With it, they just tend to focus the complaining to the 5 paragraphs instead of the others where then they just throw insults. So lets see, insults or complaints about the diclaimer? Man that is hard choice but I'll take the complaints about the disclaimer. No one have stuck to the subjects either way anyways.This is to prove that posts with gigantic disclaimers are silly. I didn't even read whatever the OP was about. And, I'm doubtin' anyone will read THIS post.
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/Is experiment. Will be back tomorrows to see what happens. Enjoy!
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Quote:Interesting.
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Quote:oh, then I jumped the gun there.I think the point being made was the how the announcement was a shocking surprise to us all. No rumor, no steady downsizing of the developer or reduction of new content that hints the end is coming, just BAM!
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Wow. Good going with trivializing the Dec. 7 1941 Pearl Harbor event where merely only 2,300 people died. Yeah, the end of a game is on that level.
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Well, the time is winding down and the day is around the corner.
Most of the characters have thier storylines ended already, about four or five after the announcement, and a few more to go now.
I'm thinking I will tie it in with the 30th somehow but in someway that make sense to each of their storylines. Most of them will be easy to end except one, the one that I will concentrate on playing until lights out. I'm thinking for that one to be something simple and unusual for an ending. An ending but not really an ending. Like they finish one last mish before the great blackout and then fade away into society until it comes once more to don the superhero outfit. It's kind of like a cliff hanger to an end of a movie except with no expected sequel, it just ends like that. Kind of like real life where most events just kind of end with no pizzaz no movie finish, no super heroic quotes or anything. It just ends.
Thought about and ending like heroes being outlawed or something but that is kind of is like Watchmen. Or that some lawsuit is the cause of the hero era ending for one character.
56 days left, now time to choose what villian group will be the last one that the character will fight, which will be the last boss/AV that will be fought. While the last toon left of the SG will go to the base and cut the lights out, look at it for the last time and fade into the darkness.
I figured I created stroylines and characters for this long might as well go out the same way I came in. Creating stuff. -
yep. They are a pain in the butt for most ATs, especially at the low levels.
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Because I got tired of people in the past assuming I'm a male but I'm female and someone made the suggestion to make note of it because their is no way to tell and most people would assume male. It was a good point and thus I did.
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Disclaimer: This post is long, AGAIN THIS POST IS LONG! If a person dont have time to read it, that is fine, come back later when you do have the time and it's ok if you dont read the post at all because you don't have the time. Yes, there may or may not be spelling and grammar mistakes, just like any other thread on this forum. I know that, no point in pointing them out. The format of this post is single spaced sentences with an extra space between paragraphs. I'm not a mind reader and dont know everyone's format preference but if it the point is not clear, just ask in a respectful manner or dont worry about it. If this format is not for you, this may be a good time to stop reading as the rest will be a waste of your time and at this point is not responsible if you choose to continue and waste your time. There are not many questions in this post; this is not a post about help. Help is really not needed here but if you insist on offering it and it is turned down, dont get rude. Once again, I am not responsible if you decide to not heed this and feel like you wasted your time trying to be "helpful" anyways. I'm not trying to be rude for turning down your help, but really, none is needed here. Criticism, negative criticism, or "constructive criticism" that isnt actually constructive, is not needed here. Apparently I have a hard time distinguishing between people trying to be "helpful" and people who are not here as some "helpful" people have ways of showing it that I find odd. So lets do each other favor and just let it be. Just post your version about how you would play and keep to the topic. Lastly, this is my experience and my view, if your view is different, that is cool too, do tell, but please be respectful. The point of all this is so people now knows what they are getting into. If this is fine, continue reading. If not, it would be best to move on to another thread. Of course this is free country and you are free to do what you want, just keep in mind, so am I and that alone is enough reason for this post. Not trying to be rude at all, just letting people know exactly what they are getting into. For those that dont know or dont see the point of this introduction, this is to prevent any problems from past threads to carrying over to here and to keep things [b]strictly on the subject[b] at hand. If all of this is ok, read on and have fun. If you have anything to add about your experience with electric armor, by all means share. This is my Electric Armor build that fit my play style which may or may not be fitting for everyone else's play style thus I'm making not and guarantee, assumptions, vouching, or suggesting that my way is the way to build the Electric Armor nor am I insinuating, suggesting, or trying to prove that my opinions are fact. They are just my opinion and if your opinion differs, that is good too. Please share your version here but try to be respectful of my opinion and others as you would want them to respect yours.
This disclaimer is not to cause problems, flame, troll, and excite a riot or anything. It is to just clarify things so things will not be misconstrued, misinterpreted, misquoted, or wasting anyone time because they didnt know what they was getting into. That is all, nothing more nothing less, no disrespect intended, just trying to prevent repeat negative actions on threads from happening.
Remember words on the screen are words on the screen. There are no physical social queues, tone of voice, nor other things that can be picked up in face to face contact. While it is best to not direct anything personal at me, or probably anyone else for that matter, keep in mind how the words can be interpreted by just reading. Let's not make a big deal out of nothing, again. Remember everyone is not the same nor will perceive messages and words on the screen the exact same way as you may have intended them to come out in your head. Reason for this disclaimer is to prevent the same things that have been happening in the past from re-occurring and that is all. Remember, as mentioned before, this is not to be rude at all.
I just dont want anyone feel like their time is being wasted, or feel they was blindly lead into a long post, or got the wrong assumption. On the same token, I'm not responsible for your time you feel you wasted, or offer help and feel dejected for it being turned down as I'm politely turning it down and all "help", "constructive criticism", "suggestions" right now. "Thank you for your concern and trying to help but I have the build and any other build the way I have found that I have the most fun with playing in the manner that I find the most enjoyable for my experience." Any help on a personal basis is turned down also in a polite manner also- "Thanks for your concern and trying to help but I think your help would be more helpful on someone else who is probably itching for that type for information you have available to share. Thanks for understanding." If you choose to not heed this information, then all I have to go by is what you write and what I perceive, which may be right or may be wrong but I'm leaving nothing to chance this time. If I missed something, it will be added to the next thread.
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!!WARNING!!-This is my experience and going through the thoughts of the time I spent in the game. This is not in any manner, way or fashion is trying to insinuate, suggest, tell, or demand that others should have same experience. This is neither a right nor wrong situation and thus everyone may not have the same experience as I have and thus I can only speak on mine and my time I spent in the game. There is no expectation to agree with anything here or meant to incite anything or hinder efforts, put anyone down, bring down hope, or anything. This may or may not be in the lines of the hopeful way of thinking. THIS MAY OR MAY NOT BE IN THE LINE OF HOPEFUL THINKING! Making sure I said it twice just in case it got missed so that no one has to go out of their way to point that out or feel like this was pushed upon them. This way of thinking may or may not be in line with anyone or everyone's view and way of thinking. This is a fair warning. So if that is ok and can handle something that truly may not be anywhere on the same tangent of your way of thinking or view, then read on. If not, YOU ENTER AND READ AT YOUR OWN RISK!!!WARNING!! However you respond I'm more than likely will respond in kind. Attack me I'll attack you. Nitpick me, I'll nitpick you and so on. So we can actually discuss thing like adults for once, or go to the same thing as usual but you can never say it was forced upon you and stuff. You chose to come here, you chose to either read or not read heed or not heed the warning and that's on you. And yes I realize there may be misspelling mistakes, grammar errors and stuff so no need to point that out unless you never ever made a mistake of grammar/misspell in your entire life so pointing it out can only be taken as a blatant attempt to troll and will be responded to in kind. I rather not make a big deal over little things but if a person chose to try to pick something and make a big out of it, then I will respond in kind, fair warning. Many things have been said twice or more so that NO ONE can somehow miss it unless they just chose not to read it or take it. !!WARNING!!
In City of Heroes and City of Villians, there are many archetypes to choose from. Of course there are the standard tank/heal/ranged with thr traditional roles expect but there is also the melee damage sets (Scrapper and brutes), Control/buff/debuff sets (Dom/Controllers) and a few that may be in between such as the Corruptor and Mastermind.
At first I tried the usual range sets and they was good, things were ok but when I picked up on the tanks and brutes, then things really took off as far as my interest in this game goes.
With a tank, while doing less damage than my brutes overall, it was enough to get the job done, with extra resistance and more hp increased survivalbility for me significantly especially in those tight spots. Even with the two same powers chosen such as electric/electric for both, the tank comeso ut on top over all as far as surviving the more dangerous foes and it's not so much of a race to kill the opponent before they kill me. Thus this is why I dont mind the tank doing less damage than the brute because the brute needs that extra damage to ensure survival.
Yet, still I couldnt stop finding myself wishing that the tank and or brute had more range powers or the blaster, controllers, dominators could take a hit better. As open as the archetypes seemed in COX, it still seemed to be boxed in for a specific role. Champions online with freeform I can make a tank that have ranged power or even a blaster that have tank like survivalbility. Yet, with the range of powers per archetype a person can choose, and even the slotting possibilities, it is possible to make a blaster that can take a hit but it takes whole lot of work, grinding and inf.
It's not bad that the archetypes are basically boxed. It makes teams easier to identify what exactly they have already while preparing to go into situations. It's easy to say in COX "Ok, we have four blasters, that covers range damage but we might need a tank or two." And then they go search for a tank to fit in.
Another reason tanks and brutes I find preferable is that soloing is a simple process with them. All you do is walk/jump/superspeed/teleport/sprint/fly over to a mob and smash them. When I find myself on a blaster or other squishy archytype I find myself more hopping around like a jumping bean and trying to stay alive more so than actual concentrating on tryign to kill the mob. With a tank or brute, it's the mob that must concentrate on tryign to stay alive while I bash their head in.
In Champions online, a feature that I love, it seemed to be made with the soloist in mind. Here in COX, it seemed more like a side affect or more like an after thought of just in case. In CO, just about any build that the mind can come up with in combinations can solo more than 99% of the content without it feeling like a grind fest like in COX leveling while brisk for a MMO that have the solo ability feels like forever compared to the XP bonus and the speed when teaming. It seemed to me that teaming was prefered, while not mandatory, in COX. While in CO it seemed that solo is prefered while teaming is ok. Yet teaming in CO and trying to build a team with a specific set of people/builds in mind is nowhere as easy to do as it is in COX. There are so many combinations so many powers and combinations that one that may be carrying the tank icon or in tnak mode may not be a "tank" at all.
Although I prefered the more simple days prior to when things started to be implemented that was standard MMO grind fest fare, even prior COX wasa fun game to play and the new complicated stuff didnt seemed to be forced upon players, just another tool it seemed from my view, for some of the people that wanted a something more hardcore MMO grinding than COX was offering at the time. Before IOs the market and stuff, it was simple level up, grab some IOs, assign slots and keep it moving. Afetr the market came along, IOs, and the likes, it seemed like a super hero version of WoW that was more causual. Even though I didnt like that stuff, I see the logic behind it. Hard core gamers seem to pay more, spend more, invest more. Causal players seem to come and go, play alittle bit then leave, may spend a few bucks here and there but overall, just in a casual manner. So Im not knocking those features since they didnt ever become a nessecity or anything. Just something a person could do if they chose to. But still dont care too much for the way teh market works. Man did inflation really take off then. 25-50 million used to be high bragging rights back in i6-i7 but now, 50 million is mere chump change that may be able to get a good IO with some useless change left over.
The market on CO is more simple, you go on there name a set price, just like WW works in regards to selling. The big difference is that in WW the buyer must basically guess the price and not much history besides what the last five or so sold for. On CO the buyer can see the listed price and actually choose which one they wish to buy. I think this is more effective way to keep priced reasonable and also keeps inflation under control. Three people can sell the same item one want 1global for it another wants 2, and another list it for 10. A player if they want can buy the 10 gold one but many people probably will go for the first two. Plus it also gives the seller a better idea of the price the certain item is being listed for and usually on that market, things are usually at a reasonable price, farming/grinding is not needed at all there. Dont think I even seen a single LFF or the likes there nor "gold" sellers that plagued this game once things got exspensive.
The costume creator in this game is cool and got better over time. The weapon choices and the customization of powers is good too in COX. Only one is the weapon choices, especially of the melee one. It seemed to boil down to axe/hammer/odd objects/futuristic weapon things. While CO have over less weapon choices available, without the tons of unlocks, is less over all, I thin kit has a few more interestign weapon especially one I always wanted to see in this game but been shut down as one of those "not going to happen" things by other players is the scythe, which CO have. Also chain that can be used a whip and various other things of the likes that also said "Not going to happen" by players of the forum in this game is available there. While CO have a coloring system for powers there it does not look as good or effective as the setup in COX.
Bugs in COX are a PITA. Nothing like clrearing a map and ready to exit but cant because a mob got stuck in the wall. Now some people reported that the GM pops up on average about 10-15 minutes but I never had one to show up that quick so I can base any judgement on other people's experience. But me, maybe they are always busy or not many around, it took on average about 60min-1.5 hours. Most the time I just quit the mission then about tow missions later get a message from the GM asking I need help. In CO no such bugs experienced yet, and every blue moon a mob gets into a wall but they always easily find they way back out. Even if I had to reset in CO it's less of an issue because CO missions seem to always be shorter than COX in most cases.
The fighting mechanics in CO wins in the preference for me compared to COX. It's smoother, faster, easier to use and understand. No more chance nonsense. I dont feel like I'm at a casino gambling and instead actually feel like I'm fighting villians.
While both games has it's up and downs, I would prefered if both stayed running and operating but that is just my preference and it seems that the people that can make that decision had a different preference. I understand CO is not COX and that what makes it's a great game for me in it's own right. -
Well you have passion, you have your mind made up, and dont seem like you are going to let anything get in your way. There has to be nothing but respect for that.
Wouldnt the world be such a boring place if certain people had their way and everyone had the same exact opinion, when you wondering what opinion you should have someone just assign it to you, and everyone have the mind process and experience the exact same way, same time, same views, same everything?
While you will anyways, I say keep it up and keep going for the goal you aim to achieve and let no one ever stop you nor assign any opinion to you. -
Quote:Remember, most people do not walk that path. They take what they get, do what they're supposed to do and move along the supplied paths, fitting their own interests and oddities between the cracks of society's demands when and where they can.
I'm not insulting anyone for that. It's just the truth. That is the majority of people. If they're happy with that, I can't argue with them for it. I'm happy being me and I'm happy to help others be what they want to be. I have no interest in wasting my time defending my own decisions and approaches to things, especially when most of them don't even respond to the details I offer. Some of them will carry on, but I recognized that it is simply something a great many people can't relate to.
Judging though... that comes as a free right that won't put most of them outside of their comfort zone.
Anyway, yep, that is how the world works.
Whether I get the changes I want or not, my efforts and actions will speak for themselves and hopefully influence things toward the direction I wish it to go. And we adapt and change and/or stand firm as we choose. Not as my neighbor chooses for me, hehe.
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Quote:Very serious.Well, this was "fun", but now it's time to go back to doing something based in reality. Have fun guys. Remember, this interwebz thing is serious business, and should be treated as such. =D
People like Arcanaville:
"Waaaaahhhhhhhhh they killed my game!! Waaaaaaaaaaahhhhhh!" Get over it. I think even 3rd graders dont carry on like that when their favorite toy is taken away. -
Quote:Bob Seger?! Oh hell, that is the Ace in the hole right there. My god what was I thinking. There is no way they can fail with Bob Seger!I don't know about that. I mean they had a plan to get the support of the almighty and super relevant BOB SEGER!!! You know the singer from the 70's & 80's that someone happens to have a relative that knows. You know the guy that actually has never played this game? With logic like this, how could they fail?
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Quote:Guess you forgot about the insult part and really shows and prove the point that No Remorse pointed out. Anyways, have fun while you can because in a little less than two months, whether you want to or not you'll have to face the world without this game being a crutch for you.I didn't call you a name. I implied you were illiterate because you claimed that words you typed minutes previously meant something other than what they actually say, and failed to recognize them even when quoted directly. If I was name calling I would call you Ms Illiterate, which is a name. Questioning your comprehension skills is something I offered objective evidence for.
I also believe my characterization of the general content of your responses is accurate enough to be objectively sustained. I would be more than happy to demonstrate that it can be upon request.
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Quote:Basically. The reality of the matter is that NCSoft didnt kill the game, players like that killed the game. They claim they want to save the community and blah blah talking out their rear ends but try to run away anyone that have any remotely different view from theirs.Funny because I see what you're doing as identical to the behavior you're accusing her of. People deal with emotions differently, and no one has a right to stop someone from experiencing and processing their emotions in their own way. THIS is what a few people on here (and even more on COHTitan) are doing, they want things to be THEIR way and won't tolerate any expression of thought or conflict, even in the form of a healthy debate.
Now, there is a difference between discouraging feelings and discouraging certain actions. The people saying it's probably time to move on are saying that they see the writing on the wall, and generally don't believe the delusions that are being created and perpetuated by certain people. These people have been called out and challeneged as if it's wrong of them to not want to get themselves all stirred up for what amounts to a bunch of hearsay and fantasy. The other group is doing things that are honestly in pretty bad taste to say the least and could have negative impacts on people that weren't even involved, all for the life threatening potential of losing a video game.
Now, go ahead and turn your aggression towards me if you want, but remember, it doesn't change anything. Come November 30th, you'll have to go somewhere else (on another forum I imagine) to get your argument fix.
I see where this is going. They will fail, and then blame the "realist" and everyoen that disagreed with them for the failure.
One thing is for certain come Nov 30th. this game will come to an end and there is nothing anyone besides NCSoft can do about it. At that point, they will have to go somewhere else. I only hope that they dont travel to another game and sink that one too. That is the reason I have a little hope that I'm dead wrong and this game is saved. If they are here that means they are not out killing another gaming community and sinking the game by trying to run the players off. -
Quote:Didnt know this was a debate. And it would have gone further than that with the discussion if you was willing to go but since you wasnt for what ever reason, it's no big deal. I think you should add a little more than insults and name calling in your arsenal and things could go a lot better.You should consider adding something else besides "I know you are but what am I", "drop dead", and "look at me, I don't care what other people think, see, see?" to your debate repertoire, because there's no mercy rule on the internet.
If it's no mercy rule, then there is no mercy rule. Here it seems like all rules went out the window recently.
So then I dont see what is the big fuss about people saying that the game is ending, deal with it, or get over it, stop whining about a game, it's just a game, and etc if there is truely a no mercy rule on the internet, which it seems to be. Those things should even be an issue or a debate then. -
Quote:Basically.I must say the last page of this thread adds a lot of value to the topic.
My take on the statement:
The way it is worded I am inclined to believe that the IP and physical studio were being sold as a single item- that NC soft was adamant that they would not sell them individually. As such, smaller firms looking at the IP were turned off from the deal, as they did not have a need for a new physical studio in california, nor the funds to aquire a high priced piece of real estate.
This lumping of the property, both the physical and IP, is likely due to NC Soft book keeping for tax purposes etc. I for one believe there would still be an opening to purchse the IP, but not this fiscal year, and not while the studio stands empty for sale because the "lump property" of studio and IP has more value to write off then what they could do individually. Once the building is out of the picture, NC may be more open to selling the IP, because at that time they would need to revalue it, and likely could not write it off anymore, or if they could it would be severely devalued as it would be left as cyber fluff of an IP that is not in service anymore.
The short of it:
Currently- NC has the physical studio, IP, previously employed developers salary etc lumped all together to make as big a sum as possible for book keeping purposes.
In the future- next year there will be no employee costs(or very little), possibly no physical building(sold) and so the value will be greatly diminished for book keeping purposes.
So, IMO, the best bet is to keep interest up, keep some kind of contact with NC going in regards to this IP, and wait for the realtor sign in front of NC Norcal to have the "SOLD" attached to it- and then see about getting the IP into another publishers hands.
Do not despair. In buisness, any kind of buisness, even the most common sense basic idea takes weeks, months, or longer to come about. Right now, chairman of CoH disbanding cant go back on his plan for risk of looking foolish for not pursuing ideas the community has put forth. Several months from now, when his cohorts and superiors have put this fiasco out of mind for a time, and the situation regarding the property has changed(sold the building etc) chairman CoH disbanding will then be free to propose "his new idea" to sell the remainder of the property(the IP and cyber fluff) because enough time has passed for him to claim ownership of the ideas proposed here at this time, thus enabling him to be the corporate money hero for a second time and maintain his prominence and reason for employment for an additional 6 months.
So I would say, serious talks next April? Best guess, though admittedly I have no knowledge of the real estate market in California specifically as i live in the midwest.
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Quote:take your own advise of the pic and realize maturity also come with the realization that everyone dont think like you.Yeah, what was I thinking, trying to get you to fall for that old "have some evidence for what you say" trick. I'm absolutely certain you don't ever fall for that trick, ever.
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Quote:Now, I've seen this game too many times to fall for it once more. I have to do the leg work to find the evidence. I will grab evidence and no matter what I pull, you will dismiss it. Good try, but hint, the first statement you made was complaining about people trying to convince people.The purpose of that statement was to express the thought encapsulated in the statement.
Separate from that, I may be convinced to clarify things for you when you answer my question first:
I asked for an example.
Now either you are going to clarify the statement or not. You gave no evidence to your statements about me so take it or leave it. If you leave it, then this convo is over, Arcanaville, and it was nicew talking to you. Maybe I'll meet you in another game when this one finally go down into history on the 30th. -
yep, I have many ways of expressing myself but again I ask, what does that statement have anything to do with the subject? Because it seems to me that you just said that just to be saying that to get a rise out of me. If I'm wrong, then by all means, tell me what was the purpose of that statement.
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Quote:Yeah, they will sell it when it benefits them.The way NCSoft has handled the situation feels like it originated with some kind of upper management knee-jerk reaction to something to close it down - not a well thought-out plan.
I am quite sure they will not back down on it before November 30th. That would mean losing face probably and that will not happen. Maybe at some point later in the future they will consider selling it off though.
I seen a post somewhere where it outlines the benefits if NCSoft were to sell the IP. It touched on how it would benefit the community, the players, and stuff but not so much of how it would benefit NCSoft more than holding on to it for what ever reason they choose to.
Right now, it just dont seem to be in their best interest to sell it from a buisness stand point. If they can hold on to it and use it later in the future and know that the players probably will be running back, as many said, there isnt many if any "real" super hero MMOs. So if you are holding the last and only type of that MMO, I wouldnt sell it either unless someone make me a crazy nut offer that only a beyond insane person would offer high end range. So far it costs them nothing to hold on to it, tax writeoff of some sort probably, then they still can revive it later when they want to and have a player base of somesort that is looking for that type of game. Or maybe they are holding on to it because they may be actually planning on using the IP in the future, or parts of it. Or maybe they are holding on to it to save it for a rainy day when mess it the fan, they can go ahead and sell it then.