Enyalios

3 issues ago I sold 3 stacks of 10 hecas I had bought waaay back (last logged the toon 500+ days ago!). They were bought for like 12M each and I sold them during the mm in ae bug for like 750m each. That funded alot of prestige conversion....and inflation is mostly a matter of poor inf sinks and increased earning power.

Don't like the high prices? Then change how you play so you're selling more than buying and you'll love them.

I used to list stuff like this but in all my time playing I never had a single person get found.

I did make an extra billion selling an IO the other day 1.15B bid rather than 115M. If anyone knows the kind and level of the IO I'd be happy to reimburse I guess.

I've found mid-price (40-80M sale price) high-volume niches to be the best.

I have 4 niches in this range at the moment and two of them account for 500M a day by themselves (750M profit after costs every 3 days/toon).

I have 2 toons which play with purples and they make about 150M profit every week (I check them less cause its lower volume work).

If you want to make inf on purples/pvp ios the best way is to pop them by farming content (shocking words coming from an inveterate marketeer)

I marketeer at some level with all my characters EXCEPT my primary levelling toon at the moment (they are selling drops) and my main (who also sells drops).

I have 14 active marketeering toons on Freedom which I log every 3rd day. I have 1 on Freedom which is logged every day (its a really good niche).

I have 108 toons across other servers and on Freedom which are dedicated to low-bids or whatever to do much slower marketing.

I keep an excel spreadsheet listing of what I am craft-to-selling on toons or what I am low-ball bidding on. If I see that something I have on low-ball bid has really spiked, I log that toon and list the stuff I have accumulated for sale.

Its easy to see what you should be lowballing alot of the time.....for example, I don't even know how many of those achilles heels procs I picked up during the great 1-20 mass playing at GR launch. I got 218 of them at an avg price of 753 inf. I have already sold 50 or so of them at an avg of 25M inf each. I'm still selling off pet damage uniques from blueside pre-merger too.

Marketeering is something I at least do lightly with almost all my toons because its far and away the easiest way to have whatever build you want.

I am fairly liberal in my use of these things. I don't rate everyone I come in contact with, but do rate alot.

My definition of elite is does something impressive repeatedly (MoITF in under 40 mins.....normal ITF in 20 mins.......any MoBSF....soloing a GM.......that type of stuff)

5-star = elite player who I am on very good-terms with.

4-star = player who is very-friendly/fun or is elite and I'm on ok terms with.

3-star = player who seems solid enough. Occasionally an ex-4-star who acted like a jerk a lot.

2-star = barely used ranking...........jerks or grossly incompetent people who do things like insult a PUG for not finishing a mish set for +4 at level 20 or so. Go away when you quit their group and dont pursue you.

1-star = real jerks.....do things like 2-star above but then keep talking after you've quit. Or do something completely egregious like tell me they'll pay to join a skyway mayhem....I relog to a toon with it....they enter without paying....get the badge and then pretend to pay and then log. Or who started a lib TV farm back in i11 and charged good inf without sharing with the kin (me) and then logged without doing anything other than zoning in. THEN logged back in and was recruiting a new group in GV to do the same thing to. You know who you are! Also not used much (since you can see I remember details on like 1/2 of mine) but I quit when one comes into a group. I tell group leader I dont group with X and its X or me......if person isnt kicked in 60 seconds I apologise to group and quit.



I date all notes so I can see if someone has changed over time easier. And so I can remind people who got 1-starred who object as to why they have the rating. "So you're denying that you recruited groups for paid PL in GV on 11/14/07 and then failed to actually level anyone....also that it couldnt have been a mistake because you were relogged and recruiting more in broadcast?" Reply: Wasn't me....I only played like 3 mos. Checked vet badges and person had 51 mos of vet badges..."O.K. now you have a new note and 1-star for being a weak liar or a ebay account buyer"

The notes are very useful.

I'll provide one data point for how I have my inf since I keep a spreadsheet.

At this time I have the following:

54.3B stored on characters across all servers.

14.3B tied up in the market in bids or unclaimed sales as of last time toon logged in (toons over the cap or whatever)

245M stored in gleemail.

1B loaned out to someone else reliable which I consider storage -- put in whatever category you wish.

Rares are passing back to their no-AE equlibrium. The better rares sold for 4-7M prior to i13 and introduction of AE. Without a huge amount of ticket creation from monkey farms...and with brainstorm hordes reduced from the common shortage during the end of last issue...well rares have risen.

A complicating factor is that people are slotting tons and tons of toons because of frespec frenzy AND because they want IO build set up before they decide which thing to put in alpha slot.

I mean Kin Combat Dam/Recharges which cost 1 amerit to make were going for 185M earlier today....and while it may have been a typo for many of them, they were going for 100M+ almost the whole day. anything above 100M / amerit is a pretty decent conversion ratio for people who want to make inf.

There is a 30-min cooldown for teams. I've been on a raid once where we spawned the GM 3 times because someone set out to do it that way (small groups as bomb teams with times to go get them in waves). I remember that raid lasting something like an hour and ten mins too......got like 800+ merits.

My mastermind got stuck with it today. Four straight zonings it happened...plus pets disappeared.

I love the kin dampener -- its great for getting low levels s/l softcapped until they get high enough to use all the good stuff.

Med Pack and Recovery Serum are self explanatory....though recovery serum is a bit less good with fitness inate.

The envenomed dagger and backup radio are quite useful as well......the rest are situational but none are purely useless.....just they drop far too much.

Its amazing how much mark-up you can charge for walking from the cap blackmarket to the uni like 150 yards away. I've made hundreds of billions because people don't want to bothered....and thats ok cause they got to get their IO and get back to PvPing or PvEing or RPing in Virtue Pocket D quicker.

Yes, I had this same problem...did a ticket and it just fixed it for one account. I'll get motivated to do 2nd account ticket soon I imagine.

The only reason to slot it somewhere other than health is to 6-slot for the ranged defense bonus. On an ice tank thats probably not what you're worrying about.

Will this thread never die? Seriously though, despite holding 50B infamy liquid right now, most of my toons are slotted with the lower cost sets like devestations, crushing impacts, red fortunes, and titanium coatings. Most of those sets can be 4-6 slotted for like 40M a set even at buy it NAO! prices. Anyone can make that type of inf pretty quickly just from selling drops with a little patience. I only see about a 5-12% difference between those toons and my main and namesake, Eris.....who would cost about 27B to slot at current prices (53 HOs, PvP uniques, purples....and all).

Yes, main use for this is for Dark Armor's self-heal. They sure as heck sell for a lot, but since not much else needs them and they're a godsend for DA, nobody much complains.

With me. I simply keep sufficient stock of salvage to craft whatever set of recipes I am bidding for. If I have outstanding bids for 20....and have just crafted 7 of that IO, I presumably have 13 of each on market so I bid 7 new of each. Once you set the 7 all you have to do is click on something to focus to the next one and it'll still be set for 7....place in bid and move along....all very quick. When I am crafting on a toon who can only fit like 36 salvage I'll only craft stacks of 9 recipes too (assuming it takes 4 salvage for each recipe)....because the biggest time sink is running back and forth to a crafting table more than once if you can't fit all the salvage.

As for making money off buy low, sell higher, with patience being all it takes? Heck I'd say patience is far and away the best part. I'll give an example:

When Going Rogue was announced I knew there would be recipes which were worthless blueside which I could make inf on later. I put extended bids out on a number of low level Pet Damage uniques and purples blueside on toons which I don't play often (off servers). GR took almost a year to come out and during that time I picked up 110 recipes which had been selling for avg of 75M each on redside for less than 500k each (and less than 50k in many cases). I'll be selling these crafted over the next 12 mos to keep from killing the price and am basically making about 50M per for crafting costs of roughly 2.5M each.

During early GR I realized that most people would play level 1-20 content. Soooooo I picked one of the highest selling price 1-20 recipes the Achilles Heel -res proc and put out long bids on similar toons. These had been going for 75-80M each prior to GR.....during GR there was a period where they were going for 20k or less. They have since recovered but not fully. I acquired an astonishing 420 of these things for avg price of 30k each. I'll probably be selling these until I'm old....but the point is I expect the price will go up again most of the way because we're not likely to have a period where 85% of the playerbase is playing 1-20 content for 6 weeks again.

Most of the profit potential is patience, a modicum of anaylsis, and a little foresight. All the other stuff is for the last 10% of profit potential.

E.E.

I'd say a multi-pronged approach works best.

My current income per week in game is gotten as so:

1) Marketeering -- approximately 4 hrs a week spent -- income 3.5 billion

2) Amerit Farming -- I am doing 2 toons (both stalkers). Each runs 5 tip missions per day and converts 50 merits on avg every other day. Between then I can build to a 3 billion PvP IO on average every 21 days or so -- time spent (30 mins per toon for 5 tips, 25 mins for an ITF once a night) 10 hrs a week roughly -- lets call this another 1 billion a week.

3) Purples -- running the speed ITF every night once gets me 1 purple pop on average every 10 days or so. Once I get my stalkers to 50 they can pop them ghosting tips too. The run of the mill purple goes for about 125M anymore (even with sleep averaged in!). I've already counted the time but here's another 100M a week or so as bonus

When I was farming for purples I used to make them much quicker. I think I determined I could pop a purple every 75 mins if I worked hard at it. Since Amerit Farming seems more profitable atm I haven't been motivated to do this, yet....but purples keep rising.

4) Other recipes/salvage-- selling the other useful loot has averaged me about 120M a week between the occasional Kin Combat drop and a respec recipe or whatever. This is also free and considered above.

5) Direct Inf drops -- I find I get about 20-25M of these a week from what I listed above....that seems so little but hey I always have prestige turned on.


You can see that per hour spent marketeering is waaaay more profitable than the other kinds. However, you can't really push harder on marketeering....I mean you could add more niches....but then you're squeezing someone out somewhere and after you have a few good niches they might move to a dif one of yours and screw it up. So in general I agree that amerit ghosting is the way to go from a per min stand point right now....especially if you have a group to do fast TF with or a large pile of built up merits to covert along with it.

I'd like to see a way to buy reward merits too. 2M per probably isn't too far off what I'd price them at. I'd also limit purchases to like 20 merits per day or some similar number so people can't simply buy 50 to convert with another 20M every day. And yeah 20 doesn't even divide nicely into 50 so thats deliberate too. I don't want this to be easy....but like someone said a way to even things out on toons with like 17 merits or whatever.

Plus it'd give me something to spend on other than the firepit of prestige conversion in a probably futile attempt to get my duo VG into the top prestige slot (258B inf more to burn.....54B down). I mean I have roughly 110B in stuff (at dump prices not patient prices) and another 39B in inf. I'd love for that to mean something other than some really full enhancer tables and worrying about going over the cap on many toons.