Demetrios Vasilikos

Since you asked in a civil tone , happy to answer likewise.

I endorse Lore RP, I tolerate most generic super hero genre RP as long as it doesnt go against lore, I ignore any RPer who implies they can control or impact another player character. For example my character bentley berkeley isnt a leader among the midnighters, he is more like akin to an avengers reservist. He cant threaten any other player choosing to be even the lowliest student in the midnighters with being black listed from the magic community for example as I see some so called sorcerer surpreme types RP all to often.

I as mentioned elsewhere do outright loathe WOD vamp rp and put them on ignore with little incentive beyond thier bio needed to do so. When engaging in random lore based RP I always live by the first to use it gets to for the encounter. I mean hell if **** is talking with someone and they want to go with the they where the ones with statesman when he fell story i am happy to sit and listen and roll with it.

Hope that clears up things for you to some degree. Hey you can always come to virtue and look for ol **** in the D and just try to interact with him and see how it goes, hate him after you know him at least.

not helping unions rep saying they dont have any quality standard for RP. You do know anyone who actually is worth RPing with goes to virtue, those who go to lesser servers and thier minor RP populations are there to be ignored by thier server community, unlike virtue which is ruled by its RP community. And Lore in every form be it minor or major is far more important then so called freedom. In my experiance those who ignore lore are the worst of god moders.

And where exactly did I say what I write is canon? plese do show me the quote that says what I write is what actually happened? I clearly from the beginning described it as just another possible option within the current events rocking our game world. Because I am always very careful and very clear about being just another player who simply chooses to embrace the game world rather then ignore it as most do when writing thier character bio or even during the imagining what kind of character you want to be phase.

to random players most definatly. Do you really give two shiites about anyone else you randomly meet in an MMO? I sure as hell dont, it takes weeks of regular interaction with me in game before I see you as something different then another NPC sprite. Your character and all thier personal made up drama only ever matters to you until you earn another players interest.

simple fact I put anyone in D on ignore who uses local chat to talk about personal drama only important to them. I dont need to hear about who is dating who, or who just got married. I want to hear folks talking about topics I might feel the urge to join in to, and ideally topics that actually have meaning to the game world like current events or an investigation into some factions activities that weaves lore skillfully into a story worth hearing.

In other words if it only matters to you, good for you, if you make yourself a part of the world, then you do matter to those in the world.

True story. Last night Ol **** was sitting in the D when a young lad in a red cap came up to me and introduced himself as a new midnighter archivist. He used lore to connect his character to the old midnighters and instantly became recognized by berkeley as a child he had seen grow up and offered condolences for the passing of his family, for the boy was an orphan with his parents and grandfather passed.

We chatted for abit, I even invited him into my casual lore based SG the Midnighter's Club which he was happy about. Soon a friend of mine who RPs a proper demoness came by and we all where talking about the various kinds and concepts of magic IC, it was a fun chat and several other magic types joined the discussion clearly enjoying it. Only problem was this god moding tech based character who didnt like being called toaster or told she couldnt control all machines, dominate citadel, nor use PPD as personal hitmen by sending them false warrents for those she disliked.

Allow me? WHo the **** am I asking for allowances from to play the character I want to play exactly? I dont need to be in a group of RPers to RP my character I am always partially IC even in pugs. No one ever has to be allowed by another player to do anything.

All I keep hearing is oh no you thought of using that bit of lore first and now I am sad I cant from every one who argues with me. When someone can point out how it is actually WRONG which it isnt since I long ago made sure each name I used was ok by reporting it myself and waiting a few days while I exchanged email with admin to make sure a given name was not potentially at risk of being genericed.

Each time I not only was given an ok, but actually personal compliments by the admin for making such good use of the game lore. I never came to the forums looking for any OK from my fellow players, I came here to try and share a fun way to interact with the game world. If it doesnt appeal to you great, but making these endless attacks on a fellow player for just stating how they prefer to RP. its just disgusting.

I also already said i know I am not the only Bentley Berkeley out there, I am the one on virtue, and it is one of my accounts global's. I also know there is another demtrios vasilikos on virtue using the upper case i trick for the L in the last name. Never met the guy but I put him on my friends list in case I do ever see him on. I once did that with Dauntless until I met the real Dauntless and couldnt stomach that trick anymore. See I do recognize first come first serve. Id made the mistake of assuming dauntless was blocked out and the upper case i was the only option. But nope there is a real Dauntless on virtue, claims to predate the history badge and lore to. Maybe he does.

Since I never said I do you literally made a post with no point. But to answer you, good for you that you are happy making meaningless characters that strangers wont ever look at and say hm that looks familiar, have your bio read, then recieve a tell saying " damn man that is like a perfect bio, you got it all, didnt miss a thing, and your build, the way you dress, the way you sit there at the bar telling stories of the old days, its just so right on man thanks for making my day"

You see I get tells like that often, my friends lists on my characters are all long full of fellow players who enjoy such a style. I still fondly recall meeting Hero One at the D once. we had a nice long chat about the good old days( keep in mind we where total strangers in truth) but thanks to our love of lore we could easily interact, and soon others came up to join in the lively discussion.

Something alot seem to forget is pocket D is not on primal earth, that is the reason there is a still flesh bearing witch lady standing around having a drink. I could for example if I so choose be a variant berkeley, or one from earlier or later in time. I love playing him largely like doctor who as its great fun and fits BB very well.

however to be on topic, I myself rarely compliment bios that are very short, or are just a sum up of obvious physical traits. or a list of fictional RP powers like lust auras and the like

Id rather read a decent little story bite, be it a recent news report, a file from one of the many factions, a interview with the character, etc.. then a quick sum up of powers I can as easily get looking up the powers tab instead.

hatred for any reason is simply wrong which is why nothing any of them says can or will make a dent in my views.

I dont call them "My Characters" They are simply character roles I find appealing to RP. However I can try to undertand that character, get inside thier fictional head so to speak, and flesh it out.

My entire OP was not ever about a " This is how it happens or should happen" debate it was just my own offering in the current countless posts and threads about states death and why or how could he be brought back. Personally I am glad the last remnants of jack are being expunged from the game, and I truly hope someday all the dev based icons will be removed leaving the world more open to new heroes every day.

The fact is I think people are truly just jealous because due to my use of lore what I described could easily be something that could happen and has nothing to do with me at all. Each character i suggested being there existed in lore before I made a few my own to enjoy RPing. That is the point of being lore based so when new lore is added you already fit with it quite well. clearly I do a good job of picking my own roles and how I play them because as of yet not one bit of new content was ever added I couldnt easily spin to fit with my portrayel. CoV itself proved that to me as several of its SFs play out like they where custom made AE arcs for a character like T'Keron Valmaz.

The end battle in the VSF with the Beast where I can start by acting all aloof and uncaring, right up until Infernal is on the ropes, then I costume change to my human form, and rush in yelling " Leave K'Varr be vile demon! You wish to face a Binder of Beasts, then face the one who has bound your lord to his own flesh!" and then revel in a great one on one with that big ugly while the rest of the group usually stand around going wtf is happening here and is he really soloing that big monster.

If you do have to constantly adjust and update your lore based character then you likely didnt do strong enough research in the first place to properly take on the role.

Obviously you havent followed my various threads on the topic of lore based RP.

The only way to avoid insta generic or even worse charges of trying to masquerade as some kind of dev or admin is to not use names connected with current active dev/admin characters, nor names or villains that you may be accused of impersonating in an attempt to exploit some possible confusion in a pvp map. Thats actually why you can and will get genericed for naming a character to closely to any mob group in the game.

A hostage npc from a few 7 year old story arcs, great, a name created using two from lore who where fused in lore, sweet. The name of a dead hero from the 90s, perfectly fine.

yes I do know your dibs was largely a mocking joke, but actually is a valid question when discussing what is and isnt within the rules.

Commandeering a name? Odd way of putting it to say the least. Especially since I have actually been complimented in game by a dev for one of my lore based characters. Is what name I choose or how I take pride in it any different then those who high and might it for having grabbed various popular names in that first year?

I can easily admit that one of the first things that made me look to lore was finding most typical names long since taken. Hell BETA players got most of the good general ones.

Had a friend who never gave COX a chance for example because he couldnt be named Greed. Not a big deal really but it was for him because it had been his game handle on muds for years. He infact plays CO now days just because of thier name freedom.

For me it was Dusk of Virtue who gave me the itch. The first time I saw him around month 3 in year one I was like "Damn that was a good ******* name!" I started to think how silly all my current D&D based concepts where and how I wanted to be more a part of the world we played in rather then my old table top universe that had nothing to do with the game beyond some abstracts I can see here and there due to Jacks own years of tossing dice for D&D.

My first lore based character was T'Keron Valmaz. made to both mock and set an example to all the wannabe demons out there who had 0 grasp on what a demon was in coxverse. Since then he has helped many new players better understand that demons are not just some mindless force of chaos and evil, but in fact thoughtful and patient beings who uphold fairness when dealing with mortals, who sadly only have flesh,blood,soul, and life in terms of worthy trade goods. He also was exactly the kind of character who was in need of the alignment system as he was even in lore pretty much written to be one who was torn by two sides.

I think the problem is you cant seem to accept its not about me or my ego, its about the desire to play a role. You know roleplay? It actually has nothing at all to do with creating your own character. Fact is when I run sessions of d20 or hackmaster these days I always pre make the characters for the group. When those characters die during the adventure then I let them use current locals and even NPC allies as sources for new characters so they make sense in the scope of the story we are creating together.

here is an exmple of a so called original player concept I encountered in the D last night that I view as the epitome of god mode.

A lvl 50+1 tech based electric wielding stalker. well IOd and old enough I would certainly tolerate a high lvl of ability being RPed from.

Thier bio though well written and even interesting however is where it all falls down. They specifically mention they can feed on the power of and control any source of tech, this implies and when asked even in thier view includes beings like Citty and Lumi our well loved talos talking toasters. As well as even the arms of Recluse himself...That btw to me is what god moding entails. implying you have control over other characters or even ICON class NPCs just because.

Now you may then say well isnt T'Keron Valmaz the exact same implying lordship of all demons? Not at all, because I am again using Lore. Valmaz was torn from his plane by a binding never meant to be cast, and then througha cosmic accident sent from that variant of earth to primal earth and fused to that very upstart mortal mage in the process.

I rp him as just that now possibly mortal, which is why he is SR, he avoids on being touched rather then trusting in and risking his now compromised demonic nature. I always treat him more as the king in exile now dealing with many would be rivals who seek to lay him low during this window of vulnerability. I also treat him as an ally to those factions of the COT who still keep to the old ways rather then those who have given into body theft and taking up the unethical practice of demon binding.

Really hate to tell you this but RP is about playing a role, and has little to nothing to do with if you helped to create the character in the first place. I mean does christian bale have to go write batman comics to be able to play batman in the films? Names are first come first serve, if you felt you could of done better as Bentley Berkeley for example, maybe you should of made him first? Or at least taken the name and kept it on a holder to deny others if it pisses you of so badly.

Its not that empaths are totally obsolete, but with things like inherent fitness, and IO sets, if a build actualy NEEDS empathy to function at its optimal then well nuff said.

SR for example is a frontline set that enjoys empath back up so do shields who lack a spot heal. least those sets do till 50 and picking up rebirth now days.

What I might suggest is a reversal of the Dauntless and Galaxy Girl classic duo.

With your experiance you can likely run a more complex offender build capable of working with while protecting your lady love.

Id suggest for her a dark melee/will power brute. DM is great at dmg and its debuff does its work with every blow. WP is toggle on and forget, and has an inherent aggro aura so no need to even worry over active taunting.

Id still suggest Kin for your support, great to heal a melee character, and offers plenty of great combat buffs. maybe with something like sonic blast 2ndary to help soften up targets further.

Ill even offer up some names for such a theoretical duo of brilliant baddassery.

The guy could be the Crying Falcon( super fast sonic user after all, plus I always thought the crying freeman was one scary name) and the girl could be the Dark Nightengale oh come on they are not that bad for spur of the moment names.

I dont even care if that is meant as an insult that is just to funny.

to be fair that is actually the reaction I hoped for with rp quips like that. i always imagine valmaz tries to court numi just to torment infernal

I appreciate the effort to defend common civility, but you need not risk harrasment on my behalf.

Since you sound like your trying to understand Ill try to explain one last time as clearly as possible.

LORE BASED RP. You do know who Bentley Berkeley is for example right? No not my character, which he isnt, he is my role, when an actor is chosen to play say new kirk for example, he is no more or less then the other actor to portray the character( for the purpose of the anaology)

Sometimes actors can even have interesting insights into thier roles and use them to expand the character further then even the original writer who created it imagined. That is the only reason I have for my characters.

The original post isnt about an RP plot played out by a group, its just like many other theories on how or why we could bring back statesman using the new ritual from the holiday event.

Ill try and point to how I am using in game lore and content to create a viable idea that just like now few others suggested, offers a way to bring back marcus cole who not all are happy to see fall, at least not yet nor so quietly.

With the new holiday event we have a ritual and the requirements pretty clearly spelled out. Some suggest why cant this work for all. Some say well statesman is alot more then just some crazy lady and would take bigger magic.

I replace the generic coins with the 2 used for an ancient incarnate that yes I personally have long imagined Ol **** dates back to cimorea, and yes have long imagined as having some connection to the oracle since I chose for him to bea psi/ment blaster.

I listed a number of lore characters, and a few names of characters I play or know played all based on lore involving the very subjects being used in the comic series quite alot. Its not about my ego when I suggest those names but simple logic. Ive seen others suggest roughly the same using more main stream names, but imo **** is a bigger wiz then younglings like numina, he is just alot more humble and out of the spot light.

Other things I make reference to are the remains of tielekuu, seen in the cim section of the club, I make use of vlamaz because its a simple fact demons deal in the stuff of life that is magical, who else makes more sense to know before mention of the ritual that states own final breath might be handy?

Its not hard to imagine that an immortals blood, and last breath would likely carry some bigger boosts to a ritual then a typical person. Could you imagine a blood mage having a stock pile of Highlanders blood? People go on about how much they wanted a selfless and heroic sacrifice for statesman, why not a really old human who makes states seem young, who knew the last incarnate, maybe even was given a prophecy back then about states and his hour of need. Why not kill off a background character from lore who was always left in the dust anyways like Berkeley and let marcus cole have a chance at a final normal lifetime without power and responsability but who could still act as a NPC in some minor way, perhaps the new city rep in RP? so he wouldnt over shadow our own characters, but niether be removed so casually as to have no few players feeling like the face of thier game just got hit with acid then beat with an ugly stick.

again lore based RP isnt even about just RP its about being an immerssive part of the game even solo, even ona non rp pug, your trying to add an extra layer of depth for those around you.

I am reasonably sure many tend to apply a certain unofficial canon status to Devs Choice AE arcs. At least most I meet who will touch AE at all. Rather amazing how much the Love/Hate thing where AE is concerned still rages on.

Oh a personal jab at yours truly? How good of you to show an example of your own shining character traits that far exceed my own RP characters controversial natures.

Which are actually reguarly complimented upon by random folk who actually appreciate the use of game lore.

On topic I am with Sam on this one. OP seems to think over simplified earns instant kudos. I myself really only give props to bios that make heavy use of game lore. veer even a little ofcourse ill send a tell explaining how wrong you are and how you can improve it to fit within the game world. Anyone who pulls the Tidus "Its my story and it will go the way I want it to or Ill end it right now" BS can go play water soccer.