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Bad idea. There will be the chance that the procs stack, creating KB out of your caltrop patch.
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Nonsense. Why would you write that kind of restriction into the code? It takes more time and may introduce bugs. If people want to trigger all the ambushes at once, let me. Them. You know what I meant.
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Well this thread sure got out of hand. All in favor of petitioning for a threadlock?
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I think the non-oppressive meaning of the word can't be used when the people that gave him the name were being oppressed.
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Quote:Most Storm decks do use Tendrils as the primary win condition, but there are cases where this is not optimal. Some people have ways of dealing with that much loss of life, in which case it's easier to mill them to death. Empty the Warrens is another such alternate win condition, but usually if losing 20 life doesn't scare someone, neither will an army of tokens.Ahh, I see what you mean here. See, I would consider both of those strategies to be just combo decks, not specifically mill decks. Painter/Stone is a cute 2-card combo, but it's fairly easy to find such things and build a deck around them. As for Brain Freeze, I'd be hard pressed to find a reason to base a storm combo deck on that rather than Tendrils of Agony, because it's basically going to be the same deck with just a different storm card. So yes, I will concede the point that milling can be effective, but only when it's as part of an instant-win combo strategy.
Mind you, I've also seen a merfolk mill deck, which is also a form of control deck. It will take its time milling you to death, but there's nothing you can do in the meantime. These kind of things do exist, but they are far less common.
Quote:My mistake on Jace's Beleren's cost, I never paid much attention to that version. Jace the Mind Sculptor of course everybody knows, and I actually did quite well in a booster draft using Jace, Memory Adept (most of the wins were from milling, which is definitely effective in limited). However, my point stands that there is no form of Jace that will mill an opponent to death before turn 5, at which point any competent aggro deck will have you dead. -
Regeneration is dependent upon Max HP, so yes, the regen will perform much better on a brute.
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Quote:Totally disagree with this. I have been milled to death on turn two by Painter-Stone combo as well as Brain Freeze Storm. The Eldrazi Titan sounds like a great plan until you realize that Tormod's Crypt can be activated in response, or simple use of a Planar Void and this idea no longer works.Outside of Limited (booster draft, sealed deck, etc.) mill strategies have always been a joke. Milling cards has no immediate effect on the game state, and all it takes is something like a single copy of an Eldrazi Titan in their deck (which causes the graveyard to be shuffled back into the library when it enters the graveyard from anywhere) to render all that work meaningless.
Every version of Jace costs at least 4 mana to play, and even a <$100 burn deck should kill you by turn 4. And I'd love to see a planeswalker-focused mill deck fight through a permission strategy. But that is why WotC has weakened those non-interactive deck archetypes (burn and permission) because while they're quite potent, they're just no fun to play against.
Also, the first Jace printed only costs 3, and is arguably the best for milling someone.
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Seriously, though, you don't have to kill him.
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Do you not want spoilers or do you want me to answer the question?
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Check out my Mastermind guide. It goes over what you need for this.
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Yeah, just about any mastermind. Bots/Traps if you want to do it on practically SOs.
If you want to throw tons of money at something, I'd still go with Bots/Traps, but an Illusion/Radiation controller will also do very well. -
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