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Mog is worthless against forts. Jussayin.

Pvp did bring in more money back then almost every pvper had mulltiple accounts. And not just a second. There was a good portion with 3+ accounts. I know they will never say it in public but I am pretty sure if they could do it all over again they would do it a lot differently.

It still does all that.

The coh pvp filibuster, interesting.

I hope llamas savagely molest the trunk of your car.

That a whole lot of def debuff res to skip.

In i13 defense was king, and it wasn't even close. I played a widow and a ss fire brute alot around this time. The widow was an unkillable beast, the brute was good thanks to the higher damage at the time but its level of survivability was not anywhere near that of the widow. I know alot of people are not big fans of the elusivity changes but in all fairness right now its actually about where it needs to be. Ther are a few tweaks that defense could use but an elusvity buff is not needed.

A few of the tweaks they need to look into is banes getting elusvity added as well as force fields. And perhaps adding some more defense debuff res to certain sets in pvp. Other than that to much more buffing and we end up with i13ish pvp again with defense being a bit too good.

You forgot to make my list for me ;_;

A dream team is actually a team you dream to be on. So I am sure everyones list will have personal favs as picks. Another note, its not even my list we are discussing. Its fleas, flea never test pvped at all. So it goes to figure his list would have lots of people from his server that he got along with.


I am glad you liked anichi so much you need to tell people who they would want to team with. When you get the time whip up my dream team for me and post it so I don't get wrong.


For the record if I was going to run a rad from justice it would be antec or gun. Both were above average on theirs and I have known them forever.

In the end though my real list would probably be the people I have teamed with over and over for years, and yeah mostly because I like them. I am sorry I let something so trivial as friendship bias my decision.

Peritus invented or at least was around for the birth of rad psi. Plus he was nice and helpful all the time. Pretty easy pick imo.

To be fair he would have to play blaster. And posi is a god father of pvp so he stays, lucas gives oral so he ain't moving either.

There is also a slew of good justice pvpers that played on test that aren't on his list.


Edit: oh, and anichi was kind of a doosh to most people on justice.

A few things in here. First is how much sense does it take to have a very small niche in a very small niche game and completely ignore it. I could see if we had a larger portion of pvpers back before the changes but once you are dealing with such a small sample population retention should be a key goal. Yes adding new people should be important as well but not at the cost of the foundation you already have.


And another point it wasn't aimed at eliminating high end pvp, though it was a consequence. It was aimed at elimating the gap between high end players and beginners/novices. What it did instead was make breaking in even harder. Which is what they were told over and over in beta would happen.


Next lets cover the word fun. When you enter such a subjective word into what a goal is it can make things pretty dicey. See what is actually fun for most pvpers in most pvp games is winning. You can say you have fun just playing or teaming with friends or whatever. The fact will remain that a good many people who pvp of any kind in any game do it for the rush of winning. As a matter of fact the reason why old pvp was so unfun to the casual player was the fact they didn't win. And the reason why it was believed that they didn't win was because someone had a better build or the right powersets. When in fact the truth was more times than not it was the beginners fault for refusing to team, or come prepared(bring inspirations and use them). The biggest change the current system brought about was no longer needing breakfrees or mez protection based buffs. While as a quick thought this seems like a good idea now we have a system with randomness to it that easily frustrates the new player because they can literally do nothing about mez regardless the toon the buffs or the inspirations.


As for the sucking up the misguided advice part. Well, alot of the people who have been around for any length of time that stuck it out and learned the new system are still the best sources of info for pvp advice. Yes it can be cookie cutter sometimes, but any form of competition is like that. There is a reason the nba almost runs 2 guards 2 forwards 1 center. There is a reason no one runs the wishbone full time in the nfl. In competition you use what gives you the best chance at success. Yes there is always some people who are just there to say they played, just know they are the exception not the rule. This is not grade school sports were no one keeps track of the score and we win just by playing. This is people who pay money to enjoy their hobby. And i assure you a good many left that pvp winning is there goal.




Let me bring you some earth shattering news dodgy. Tanks always benefited more from buffs than blasters. Tanks have always been harder to kill. The only thing that was bad about them before was the lack of range. And also now more people seem to take note of taunt and use it, though it was pretty useful before in a zone environment. They did succeed in making them appear in high end matches, though a good amount of time could be spent deciding if that is a good thing or not.


As for the elder statesmen of pvp encouraging the exact opposite of the intended pvp2.0 change why don't you go rage on the devs some. The whole reason stated for this change was to bring the pvers into pvp. Guess what did not happen, guess what was never going to happen. Sure you are going to get some converts, but we were going to get them anyways. Their changes were a failure not because of what we used the system for but because they honestly thought changing the system would bring pvers in. You can not make someone have the competitive edge. A good many people who play this game struggle with the pve content which is a good deal easier and has reams more info available on how to be successful. It is to much to expect that they want to learn a whole new system, and be unsuccessful at it while learning. All with the chance they still may not be good at it once they learn it. A vast majority of people who pvp, in this or any game know they are going to be pvpers from the first kill. You either get a rush from it and enjoy it or you hate it.



When someone hates something about the only way to get them to do it anyway is give them money. I don't see that ever happening, so you are stuck with us dodgy. No amount of you raging against us will ever change that. And even if one of us takes a break there will be another person just like us to fill the role. The same kind of people tend to drift to the same areas. Pvp attracts arrogant outspoken people. Some of these people have the knowledge and patience to learn their craft and share it. These are the people see here most often, helping out and offering ideas. The others are generally in zone raging about how someone did x to beat them and never actually bothers to learn the system and improve. You have as much chance getting us to 'learn to think outside the box' as getting a fightclubber to use inspirations. That would be zero in case you want to keep tying. You will not change the way things are, you won't change the way things will be. Your best hope is to think you have already won some moral victory and hang your hat on the fact that you at least tried even if no one really bought into it. Either way the more you post the more heart ache you bring yourself, and seeing you are a pvper I will assume you hate to lose.


Do yourself and us a favor, and stop respawning.