Angelstar

There's your problem right there, thats still pretty wimpy difficulty, especially with level shifters present and running it on +0 on lower levels is gonna get you poor xp as well. A half decent team should manage +2 even at lower levels, level shifted I'd feel like I was cheating at anything less than +3.

Lot's of PUG TF's get run at that diff for shards and speed but for xp it's a boring cakewalk for very little return.

I'm a long term subscriber, I've had several years of loving the game and so was on a 3 month cycle that I'm sadly in the middle of, I don't really log in anymore and my faith in a fix has faded with time. The occasional SG event in Flashback or regular team where we can actually fight enemies that are half credible and thats about it, but my auto renewal is now off for the first time in 4 years.

I was in the middle of soloing a brute using flashbacks but even that has been abandoned in the face of aggrivation and frustration over this issue meaning I don't even want to boot the game up.

For 4 months we've heard the same line "It's complicated, a fix is coming sooner rather than later, there's a promising patch being tested" and now vague hints of it being a feature of I17. Since when did fixing something that you screwed up 6 months back count as a feature? Because people who joined the game in the half half year don't know any better?

A 6 month turnaround just smacks of unimportant backburner fixes and to me really indicates who they want as a playerbase, and it isn't the +2-4 fighters...

We get it's complicated but as it's been said we are 8 weeks down the line, it's not like this broke yesterday and we've been spamming the forums since. Damn us crazy people who want to keep bringing it to attention that a good chunk of what we enjoy about the game is currently lying in shattered pieces, damn us. And the question being asked is more "When is it gonna be fixed because it's a pain in the *** and negatively affecting game populations" and "Can't it be reverted to the old system temporarily"

I'm guessing from your flippant post the change has had virtually no effect on you, congratulations, but there are some of us for whom logging in for the occasional SG/Pug TF made up the majority of our play time and are now sleepwalking through whites and yellows, or often not even bothering so I'll keep mentioning it thanks.

If you don't let the devs know the effect it's having you have to assume they don't think people are fussed, I'd rather they know that not everyone want's to spam +0 TF's for merit grinds, that’s kind of why they read on here, opinion of the player base and all that.

My original *thread* on the matter however was created on the 23rd of October and recieved no redname comment and dissapeared under a bunch of other stuff, and as stated the diff levels had been set to +0 "temporarily" a bit before that, hence the 2 month comment, this isn't a 3 day old problem, if it was then yes, this annoyance would be highly unreasonable.

This got mentioned on my thread of the same name, they are largely useless. They are locked at the beginning of a TF and have no sliding scale they are flat buffs/debuffs to accuracy and damage and they are big enough to be absolutely crippling to non-purpled toons at many levels while having virtually no effect on a well slotted high end toon.

White conning enemies are pretty pathetic to a half decent team with DO/SO's, add in the player debuff and those DO/SO users are down to -20%-10% accuracy base and whiffing away. Yay, isn't the game fun, I get to spend all day missing!

Or we can buff the enemies and watch stray enemies one shot the SO user squishies due to their damage buff while the IO'ers run around having all the fun.

Unless the teams power synchs up perfectly with the level of debuff you end up making it not fun for someone due to the all or nothing nature of the buffs. About the only time they are useful is for a pure high end team wanting to make life tougher.

The best thing the devs did in my opinion in this game was the SSK/difficulty slider allowing a team to on the fly create a difficulty setting that challenged them, regardless of the relative powers of the teammates in all but the most hand picked purpled out builds. It allowed us to run top difficulty TF's to really give some of our slotted favourites a decent run out. That option is dead, it has to be done on flashback or regular content, so no more mixed teams for a start (Bye ITF and LGTF) unless you rustle up the arc and no running the TF content.

The devs dropped about 3 absolute stinker patches in a row after I16 and while credit to them, they've fixed most of the issues this one left is a biggie. I've watched SG interest in TF's drop dramatically and this is hitting the population of the game in general from what I see.

Editted to add this:

Without giving offence, this is twaddle and you know it. When was the last time you joined a pug and it was running on team size/+0? Really. Outside of the first 10ish levels I can't remember a single time, it had gotten to the point where I thought +2 was the standard difficulty. It's very, VERY rare in my experience that teams run on +0 and I'd be surprised if there were many out there who could say differently.