Wondering_Fury

That made me chuckle, I hope Mowbray doesn't play this game..

I'll put down 10million on Manchester Utd to win.

Fury

Recent events spewed tens of billions Damz, where ye been.

Effy, you won't find one any time soon, but I'll stand corrected if you do. Most PvP peeps I know keep theres, damn hoggers.

Fury

It sucked. Seriously...
Everyone has access to every power?
How lame.

Fury

I do agree with everything you have responded with there, and it is all very well put.

I do however have one minor point and from this I must state I am in no way addicted to gaming nor am I consumed by it. Yes, I do have a life and a very busy one!

It is simply the fact that I subscribe to this game. I do admit when I began this game upon viewing the forums my eyes met very distasteful and aggressive posts regarding the game's -then- situation and I came to the conclusion that there is no reason for these people to be claiming each of them had an equal say to that of a staff member in the NCSoft, et al. However I have a very firm understanding of what my money is worth and it was not until Positron began his rant about exploiting the newly created AE, that I began to realise I actually do have a crucial say. I would explain this but we are all EU, I feel we understand what happened then and there.

Again, I reiterate buying a PS2/3 game and what-have-you doesn't really state much about my say in the game at hand, unless it is truly unworthy of my money. The transaction has occured and I have made the choice to buy it there and then, whatever disdainful feeling I succumb to whilst playing the game is unfortunately my own fault. and if it is that appalling a situation I would desire a refund.

Yet, this is not the situation here, I feel a much bigger role in subscribing to a game that I genuinely love and would, as I am, fight for. I am not being consumed by my apprehension of losing the game but rather the fact I feel as if my loyalty is regarded as equivalent to the faecal matter we dispose daily. I honestly can accept if the EU plug is pulled I will not restart on the NA-side, and I will simply leave an incredibly disgraced customer. The only difficulty I have in the current situation is that absolutely no attempt, nor contempt to restrain us by at least posting here, is being made on our side. I'm sure I knew you briefly on the EU forums so I know you had experience there, you must surely understand that past transgressions between the EU customer and the NA-staff represent an entirely bleak future.

Of course the NA side has nothing to worry about, so they won't be moaning and they probably couldn't care about us. Let's be honest we wouldn't either if the situation were to be flipped. I fully understand that as of this moment any attempt to rejuvenate the EU standard is out of the question, it has passed the beneficial point. I'm afraid I must put my hands down and say that any attempt right now would only benefit us and us alone because again I shan't digress that actually began with them and their choice to gut Brighton. It is a tough financial situation and I am aware of that, however we have had absolutely no empathy whatsoever to our situation - I am not asking for mollycoddling and being told everything's going to be wonderful. I am asking for someone to tell us right now what the future is, I'm going to look regretfully at wasting my time, money and effort on a game that eventually dies out and they only tell us right before the hammer blow. I'm not going to unsubscribe to discover a year later the game is still thriving, somehow but equally I feel hesitant each month to confirm my next monthly transaction, am I wasting my money?

Of course a lot of us believe a server merge or server list merge or a coalition is coming, and a lot of us believe 'Going Rogue' is at least a checkpoint to confirm we will still be there then. Yet these notions are entirely equivalent to someone saying 'Korea' is coming back to the game, we have absolutely no idea whatsoever because we aren't being co-operated with. It is ironic that on these forums we have yet to recieve a response and I classify a We have been made aware of this thread and it has been passed.... incredibly condescending, at this point, because I've heard the same old man fart every day. Stop bulls.. us.

Basically what I am saying, briefly, is that as a subscribing customer I feel as if they owe us an explanation and a clarification of the current situation. What that situation is is entirely debatable but already we have had discussions of lack of marketing, relations, customer service, treatment and standards, downtimes, and to really stick it all under one umbrella an incredible severe lack of co-operation combined with unneccessary ignorance. All it takes is one post to tell us our current situation.

One post is all.

Fury

You can not be serious in deflating the situation as simple as that, I fail to understand that as a subscribing customer the situation is as minute as you play it to be. Don't get me wrong your entitled to your opinion, but I hardly think it's slightly inferior. I must point out I think your detracting from the main arguement, that is the point we've reached now, which is about our relationship with all of the staff and their failure. I don't see that many people comparing our current relationship with the staff to the NA's relationship. The situation regarding slots, server downtimes was a heated one and it has been said and left in the dust of the old EU forum, I understand other posters have said that but either they are new or they are naming but a few of the blatant problems.

I must add that the "Jim Crow" point was rather random, and somewhat a questionable notion to compare to, and really convoluted your point. Noone here is making any gesture about NA being spoon-fed or has this superiority or segragational what-have-you, if they were discussing the relationship I'm sure they meant in comparison and not complaint.

What I personally believe, and by all means rationally argue with me, is that at this point we all feel as if Doom™ is but a switch away and we shall simply be has-beens. We will be offered no sympathy in the sense that good-paying and honest customers should be offered - at least to alleviate the situation.

As a person who didn't just go buy a £40 PS2 game and play it over four years, I am a subscriber of several accounts and as such I honestly, and not to be confused with out-right command, believe that I have a very important say. However, this is never carried further than the keyboard buttons I push now and the eyes fellow and only fellow players read.

I hardly think the situation we are in right now is as mediocre as some put it to believe it to be especially non-EU subscribers and this is not an immature dig, yet say for example - I hate scenarios and analogies personally - the servers do shut down two years from now would it not warrant at the very least to try any time to be concerned in whatever nature before it happened.

I'm honestly not all doom and gloom but I've been utterly appalled at every level of service. That is my decree on the situation right now, and that is the reasoning that fuels fellow EU players, some not all, that we are inevitably heading for an almighty guillotine.

Fury

was invitational only, or was that only for that particular time?

Where is that old chestnut anyway..

Fury

I'm not even considering losing my toons, this isn't Korea all over again. That just failed to an epic degree. We've built these up and some of us, I've stopped and started, have subscribed since EU was given their own server. I find it a smack in the face to these subscribers especially if they were told to up and start again on US.

After all, what's the difference between we EU-subscribers being told to move to NA but our account stays with us, with no data whatsoever - i.e all characters/etc lost - and simply starting an new NA account.

Fury

I don't understand your defensive nature, we already established -either in this thread or another- that the marketing faults are debatable. After all, if the population is dwindling, why market?! It's a double-edged sword, it could work successfully or fail miserably. We established that.

I really don't think you appreciate our difficulties, from what I gather you are a NA subscriber so you really can not understand our predicament. Having said that, I applaud you for not waltzing in and going " Omg, lek stfu EU whine nubs" like I've heard many a time. I can't be bothered badgering this fallacy of a relationship between EU and the studio again. It's entirely subjective of course how you take it, but our fervent complaining has roots that established themselves a long time ago.

We have been ignored and for far too long. And you know the pathetic thing, even being on these joint forums has changed nothing, we just got chucked a sub-forum so we can sit in a corner and twiddle our thumbs.

The last time we attempted to get their attention, I'll state this again, is when we insulted one or two red-names. I don't think that is how attention should be brought about.

Don't underestimate our situation, it's far worse than I gather you seem to comprehend. I am not bearing on you, I just have cynicism when non-EU subscribers tell us something. I do like you.

Fury

You've completely deluded yourself that they are exempt of all fault. They didn't help matters by slowly disintegrating what was EU in the first place. If the future lies that we will go, I wish they would do it now. They've been dragging our corpse through the desert, milking us for every ounce of blood.

Fury

We already have our fill. *cou-damz-ugh*

Fury

It's not so much that, everyone EU-side unfortunately understands that marketing now is just pointless, but that roots back to the fact they gave up in the first place. And to be quite honest, they have been negligable. Atrociously as well, I used to think okay I subscribe but that doesn't mean I own them. But now I'm in the sinking ship, I friggin' have a say just as the lead designer does. The difference is they don't listen to EU. Period.

The last time we were ever given a moments thought, is when we bombared Positron with insults and attacks back when he was "nerfing" the AE farms. That was in the old forums, and now that was a good few months ago. They've been completely and utterly ignorant, and I wouldn't even apologise for my opinion if they responded right this second. It's appalling, I hate analogies but do you think in a real-life situation this form of interaction would be allowed?

I think not.

Fury