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Quote:You have probably earned all the Reward Token badges, as you can only get 34 Reward Token badges.That's where I'm *supposed* to be at. According to Customer Service, using a token awards a badge. If you stockpile the tokens, you don't get any badges. Can you clarify this? It didn't work this way for me, my tokens and badges were awarded independent of each other.
You get the badge by earning the token, not spending it.
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Quote:Like I've been saying since pre-beta? I'll take a screenshot of my GFX settings and I know that Arbiter Oates has a copy of my DirectX report handy.All of the "move or die" FX powers should be tagged with a priority on them to make them draw first before any other FX, so those people with lower graphic settings will still see them even if a million other things are going on.
If you find this isn't the case, please report the bugs so we can remedy that.
I frequently can't see the following in Keyes:- Alpha/Beta entanglements. (Destiny Barrier, other Force Fields, and various other buffs obscure them).
- Disintegration. Unless I'm incredibly close, have only a few people in the league near the fight, or have my particle effects high enough to cause lag I frequently can't see the effects of disintegration. If I can see it, I frequently mistake it for the other, regular radiation powers that Anti-Matter uses.
- Obliteration beam. Frequently the barely noticeable Obliteration Beam is a fuzzy dim power that is obscured by the ground plane or hidden just above and behind my character if it targets a character off the ground. (edit: also frequently obscured by player AoEs.)
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Quote:I didn't get any "early" tokens:One problem is that everything is so ambiguous. Supposedly, we got the September token early - except I don't get a "September" token. I (theoretically) get one token for the time from Aug 18 to Sept 17 and then one from Sept 18 to Oct 17
By my calculations I've been given the following Reward Tokens- 26 Token = Veteran Reward Conversion as of August 2011 (78 month Veteran Status as of August 12, 2011)
- 06 Token = 6 Years subscription
- 01 Token = Free token for everyone, including F2P players
- 01 Token = Retail Code Applied to the account.
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Quote:I'm not surprised. What I am is angry. First reward tokens were to be pre-loaded, then monthly at the beginning of a pay period, then at the end of a pay period, now at some "difficult to calculate number".And you all are surprised?......When has there ever been a bug free launch?
My BS tolerance meter has spiked. The "difficult to calculate" should be a red-flag warning to the community support teams (CS and OCR) that someone is feeding them a line. The community support team's responsibility at that point is to tell the powers that be, in a crystal clear manner, that the situation needs to be changed.
Sadly, after 7 years, there is still a disconnect between the makers of this game and testing critical features before they are rolled out. -
Quote:If you have access to Dual Pistols (have bought GR or just the Dual Pistols), yes. Otherwise no.Ok, so if I make a character while I'm VIP that has a restricted powerset or something, like Dual Pistols, and then I drop to Premium once the sub runs out. Am I able to use one of my global slots that got refunded to unlock the character and continue playing it?
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Quote:From what we were told and were able to do in GR Beta, you were right in your thinking. I don't know if it was changed or is a bug though.I logged into one of my Vigilantes for the first time in a long time and saw she had a finished Mayhem mission to turn in, so I went to St. Martial and turned it in and got to pick a contact. I picked Hard Luck and since he showed up on my map I figured what the heck and went to talk to him. And surprisingly, he offered me a mission.
I didn't think that was possible. I thought the only missions a solo Vigilante could get in the Isles were Newspaper and Tip Missions. Did that change or is this a bug?
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Quote:Slots, yes, characters no.I'd assume it's no. The database stores those values (which slots are unlocked) in permanent storage so f2p can access them. I'd bet those values are not erased just because you went vip. VIP unlocks and Premium unlocks are two different things. See my "worst case" answer above.
Here is an snippet of a reply I got:
The slots are the key, not the characters.Quote:When a Global Slot is spent on a server, it belongs to that server. It can be used again in the future to unlock characters who are on that server should your account go Premium. But it can not be exchanged for a Global Slot to be used on another server. -
I'll take a quick stab at this.
First off, the characters will not be deleted unless you delete them. They will just be in a locked state initially.
You don't need to delete the characters.
Each server is capable of holding up to 48 characters. As a premium player you can unlock up to 36 character slots on a server (except Exalted).
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To answer your rephrased question:
When you are a VIP you buy slots and apply them to a server, you keep the slots on that server. The first time you log into Virtue as a premium, all your characters will be initially locked and you will have 10 server slots.
I'm not sure where you are getting the 7 global number from. However, let me guess:
+2 slots from when the extra slots were introduced.
+2 slots from Going Rogue before Issue 21.
+1 slots from Veteran Rewards.
+2 Global Slots.
If you had previously assigned those slots to a server, they STAY on that server, even if you unsubscribe.
If you bought 10 more slots and applied them to Virtue and you applied the slots I've guessed you have had from before to Virtue, then you would have 17 character slots available on Virtue when you revert to premium. However all your characters on Virtue will be initially locked. You can then unlock them by assigning them to a server slot. This does not cost any money. To change characters assigned to a slot, you have to subscribe for a month, then unlock the different characters you want to assign those slots after your subscription lapses.
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Subscribers can unlock up to 48 character slots on a server. If they've unlocked 36 slots on a single server, they would lose access (but the characters will not be deleted/lost) to 12 characters. By subscribing again for a month, they gain access to all their characters again. At the end of that month, they can still choose to unlock any 36 of the 48 characters. -
Quote:The response I got from customer support said that any slots unlocked remain on the server they were unlocked on. You can't move them.Think he means: he went from Premium, to VIP, and now back to Premium. Will the exact same slots he unlocked as a premium the first time still be the unlocked slots for the second period as a premium, or will he get to pick new slots to unlock?
Personally, I don't know. Good question for someone who has done it, or for Zwill to answer.
This contradicts the response on the last Facebook Friday, but I was told that the community team will be informed of the "correct" response soon.
I have to assume that within the same server the answer is "yes". If you unlocked the slot on Freedom, assign it to a character, go VIP for a month, you can then assign the slot to another character on Freedom when you go Premium again. -
You still get the enhancements.
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Quote:What about checking the Player Guides section?Thanks Gob, totally forgot about checking out Paragonwiki for the answer.
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Quote:Let me repeat this: It has been over a month since Issue 21 has been live, including the head start (September 13, 2011). I didn't get "pre-loaded" with a Reward token for September. My Veteran Rewards date was the 12th. I have yet to get a Reward Token since Issue 21 head start.Also, by my calculations I've been given the following Reward Tokens:
26 Token = Veteran Reward Conversion as of August 2011 (78 month Veteran Status as of August 12, 2011)
06 Token = 6 Years subscription
01 Token = Free token for everyone, including F2P players
01 Token = Retail Code Applied to the account.
34 Tokens. Which is exactly what I have.
If I was supposed to get a Reward Token at the end of a month of play, I haven't got it.
If I was supposed to get a Reward Token at the Veteran Reward Date, I haven't got it.
What I have got was being stonewalled by unsupportive Customer Support teams, both Community Reps and GMs, that do not seem to know what the heck is going on.
Is this an acceptable situation, Paragon Studios? Not from my perspective, and I sure as heck hope it isn't on your side of the screen. -
Quote:Zwillinger, I think it is past time to get whoever is responsible for this system to come forward and do the following:I'm not the person to say whether it would or would not be easier, nor can I comment as to whether or not its even feasible with the way that our billing system works.
I agree that the current system isn't the most intuitive and am passing that feedback along at whatever opportunity presents itself. For now though, I am focused on providing a clear and concise explanation and will relay the details as they are communicated to us.
- Explain to both Customer Support and the OCR team exactly what is supposed to happen. From what I can tell, neither group actually knows what is going on with the system(s) involved.
- Simplify the system. Mainly change from 3 different reward dates to a single date for all three special rewards (Server Transfers, Paragon Points, and Paragon Reward Tokens).
- Show on the user's account page the accurate time that the awards are to be given to the player.
- Listen to player feedback, because from this side of the monitor, no able to make changes is.
http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?p=3937095
On a related note, it seems that the monthly Producer's letter has died as well. The more Paragon Studios shuts down communication, the more players will feel ill-treated for subscribing. You know, the people you call VIPs. -
Zwillinger, I've grown increasingly unhappy with BOTH the community team's AND ncsoft support over this issue.
Quote:Quite frankly, this is an outright falsehood. Feel free to look up the following incident:The monthly Paragon Reward Tokens are awarded differently. They follow the same schedule as the old Veteran Reward program.
"Did not get monthly Paragon Reward token [Incident: 111014-000310]"
I have this showing my vet rewards dates:

And it was accurate until August 12, 2011 when I got my 78 Month Veteran Reward, my account has been on auto-renew, and my current play time renews on December 7, 2011 so there has been no interruption of my game account.
Frankly, whoever made this decision screwed up. Awarding all three VIP bonuses on the same day simplifies things for everyone: Paragon Studios, NCsoft Support, and most importantly the paying subscriber.Quote:This means you may not receive them on the same date that you receive your monthly VIP Paragon Rewards Points.
I've had an uninterrupted play time for well over 6 years now. The "Total Paid Time" on the account page does not accurately reflect any of the following:Quote:Veteran rewards were calculated based on the time your game account was actually playable with active paid game time, and not just based on your bill date.- Valentines 2005 Buddy Code (2 weeks)
- Any Retail code (30 days times however many applied to the account. Personally I have 4 (CoH DVD, Cov DVD, Mac Edition, Going Rogue Complete Collection Retail Box).
- Previous "Refer a Friend" Bonuses (2 weeks times amount. I've 6-7 of those).
There is no way for a player to accurately determine when the token is supposed to award. When I directly asked support for the date, they refused to give that information to me. Instead they said the same thing you did in the post I'm quoting.
Okay you are saying that something changed from August 12, 2011 (my 78 month Veteran Reward) and today when my account has been uninterrupted from July 2010 to December 7, 2011? When I renewed in July 2010, the account was set to a 12+2 renewal, added GR: Complete Retail, 1 Month Game time from a contest, and a couple of "Refer a Friend" bonuses)?Quote:Just as a temporary block changed your Veteran Reward dates, these types of things changes to your game account will also change the date you receive your monthly VIP Paragon Reward Tokens.
Again, this is a bad way to do things to your paying customers. They paid for the month, it isn't as if they are not going to be a customer. Whoever made this choice clearly did not think things through as to how much chaos it would cause. If they did and still went ahead with it anyway, they should be reprimanded.Quote:You also have to play out the month of game time before receiving the tokens. You may pay for time in advance, but you have to play out the time before you receive your next reward.
As the poster above has said: Having three separate dates for Transfers, Paragon Points, and Reward Tokens is a clear recipe for disaster.
Also, by my calculations I've been given the following Reward Tokens:
26 Token = Veteran Reward Conversion as of August 2011 (78 month Veteran Status as of August 12, 2011)
06 Token = 6 Years subscription
01 Token = Free token for everyone, including F2P players
01 Token = Retail Code Applied to the account.
34 Tokens. Which is exactly what I have.
Finally, I get the feeling that even the GMs don't know what to say at the moment:
I attached the screenshot above.Quote:Originally Posted by Snow GlobeHello,
I understand the Paragon Reward Token is different than Paragon Points. I've maintained an uninterrupted (auto-renewed) game time for the last 6 years. I've included a screenshot of my old Veteran Rewards schedule as was on the account page before Freedom launched. I did receive my 78 month veteran reward on Aug 12, 2011 as shown. If the 12th is indeed accurate, I should have received the token a few days ago. I did not get the token.
My next scheduled renewal date is December 7th, 2011, and I understand it will take a few months to synchronize the Paragon Points. However, I have received my Paragon Points stipend for this month.
Sincerely,
Someone is clearly not communicating in an accurate manner here.Quote:Originally Posted by NCsoft SupportThe Paragon Reward system began with the launch of City of Heroes Freedom. As such, the calculations began on launch day. Though the scheduling is related to the old Veteran Reward system, it is not necessarily based on your billing date. -
Quote:I just got a Senior GM response politely explaining the difference between Paragon Points and Paragon Reward Tokens.I got the same response about 3 days before today, when I received the Senior GM response telling me I already got the token and then proceeded to contradict everything Zwill and other community reps have said since this system was put in place.
I would quote it in full here, but some mod seems to love editing GM responses out. I'm just saying: prepare to get a response that in no way helps your situation.
Of course, the GM in question told me that it follows the same schedule as the Vet Rewards schedule and should be expecting the token in the next few days.
Of course, I have this showing my vet rewards dates:

And it was accurate until August 12, 2011 when I got my 78 Month Veteran Reward, my account has been on auto-renew, and my current play time renews on December 7, 2011. -
Quote:One player I was talking to said their GM response was every 3 months.I was told you get reward tokens awarded at the end of months you pay for, not the beginning, which doesn't make sense because then I'd still get one in October.
The GMs and the devs need to get on the same page pronto about this.
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I think some GMs still think that Reward Tokens should come once per three months, not monthly.
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Quote:The GMs are also directly contradicting the responses on the Community Team's "Facebook Fridays". The Community Team said that when an account goes Premium after being a VIP all purchased slots change to Global Slots. I was told by a GM that once a slot is assigned to a server, that slot stays on that server permanently.Keep in mind, one of the perks of being a VIP is supposed to be excellent GM support. I have seen how wait times have improved since the launch of Freedom, but I have also seen a marked difference in what the GMs seem to think is reality and what the community reps and devs posting here on the forums think. On subjects such as the Widow second costume sex change bug, I have been told one thing that completely contradicts what I was told here.
The Producers, the Community Team, the Developers, and the GMs need to get on the same page and give a consistent response.
And yes, I've already PM'd Zwillinger about this problem.
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Oh, and about the Reward Token I also petitioned:
I keep track and screen shot my account page on a fairly frequent basis for just this sort of problem.Quote:We are currently investigating a proper solution for your issue, but we do not have any new information for you at this time. Once we have new information, or require more information from you, we will contact you as soon as possible. -
Quote:I checked with my premium account. It says that you can't do it until tier 4 is unlocked. It does not say that Tier 4 has to be completed, just unlocked.Unless this was changed in a recent patch, my account that has access to Tells but not Globals was told via an error message that it requires Tier 4. I'll check to see if I can get a screenshot of it.
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Here is the actual message:
This is the same message that you get if you try to talk on a global channel. You are confusing the fact that Reward Level 4 needs to be unlocked with completing Reward Level 4. Unlocking Tier 4 takes five tokens. Completing Tier 4 takes eight tokens.Quote:You do not have permission to do that. Please upgrade to VIP or unlock Reward Level 4 in Paragon Rewards. -
Music to go with the animation:
http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=BiMCvQjg9C8
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Given what you have said:
01 free token for everyone.
13 tokens for 39 months (September and October not counted)
03 Annual Tokens
01 One counting retail box
01 Pre-Loaded for September
01 First Point Purchase
08 $100 batch
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28 tokens is what I'm getting from what you have said.
You might not get October's until the last day of the month. -
Suggestion:
Put the Paragon Reward date on the account page.
Reasoning:
Back when we had the Veteran Rewards System we were told when to expect the next Veteran Rewards. The following screenshot was taken from Feb 2010 (identifying stuff sanitized):

Yes, we now should expect the token monthly. Yes, it is a complicated calculation. Guess what? The Account System should have this information already. If it doesn't, then I would suggest firing the people responsible for building it due to incompetence. It should be a simple matter to display the expected reward date as web pages have been doing things like this since the beginning pages displaying server side information. I'm not speaking as a player here, I'm speaking as a professional web developer.
This would also cut down on a lot of support tickets due to player confusion.
Summary:
Put a Paragon Rewards Date where the Veteran Rewards time was. -
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Quote:Actually, Vet Reward time and Paid Time were always tracked separately.Also, checking my paid time i came up with a different time.
Apparently they don't count the time giving with box purchases as time paid anymore, so i suggest you all look at your own paid time to find out if it is correct.
For instance, here a partial screenshot (hiding identity information) of my account page from February 2010:

Notice the difference between Total Paid Time and Veteran Reward Time? That was the game time applied to my account. The new account page only shows paid time. However, I did NOT get my reward token on the 11th or 12th.

