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Let me get this out of the way first. I'm more or less what PvP'ers refer to as a "carebear". Honestly, I'm good with that.


Over the past 1.5 years or so, I've done some PvP'ing simply because I wanted something different to try.


What I like about the CoH PvP experience is: Most of the people I've met.



In all honesty, I'm not sure what is to be expected from this thread. The cares and concerns of the PvP community have been expressed many times in many threads over the past few years and little to nothing has changed. Also, based on earlier comments, nothing is going to change in the foreseeable future. So I'm not sure there is really a point to this thread right now.


Regardless.


I do have a few things to say to the some of PvP'ers who have commented in this thread. Bear in mind these are observations and opinions and not intended as some sort of call-out.


The only way you are going to have a voice that is listened to by the development team is to have enough people in game that actually PvP. You all know this and yet at times over the years you have acted completely contrary to trying to get people interested in PvP. Some of this has been perpetuated as stereotype but some of it is truth. In this instance, a few bad apples have definitely caused a good portion of the PvE player base to take a very jaundiced view of PvP'ers and PvP in general.


The only way I see for PvP to expand (and possibly change in a way PvP'ers see as positive) in this game is if the PvP'ers themselves make it happen. This means making it more accessible and enjoyable to the PvE community. If that would happen then there is a much greater possibility of the development team taking notice and expending resources toward PvP.


On Victory an attempt is being made toward that end. Masque put together something called PvP boot camp. It was an effort to teach people some of the basics of the current PvP system in a relatively low cost and low pressure fashion. He managed to recruit Philly, Smallz, and Ra to help and there have been other PvP'ers that have aided as well (my apologies to the ones not named).


This was very positive and was well done. Particularly in view of what it was: a first effort. There were 15-20 "students" involved in this and I believe that all of them found it enjoyable and instructive. I know that I did.


There is a boot camp 2 currently in the formation stage. It will be an expanded and modified version of boot camp 1.



The point I am laboriously trying to make here, is that at this juncture, it appears the time to expect the developers to do something for PvP without giving them a reason is long past.


Talk is cheap and making a list, while useful in some regards, is not going to change anything.


I know that some of you hold various PvP events on some of the servers. Unfortunately, the entry point and learning curve for PvP is much higher than the casual player may want to invest (at least initially). As a result, they try and fail and never return to these events.

Baby steps are needed.

Some of you will say that this is a lot of work and why should I do it?

You would be correct. It would/will be a lot of work. Unpaid work. And people will ***** at you constantly. Just like what happens to the Devs because you can't please everyone.

However, you have to ask yourselves whether or not you are just content to sit back, make lists of what you don't like/would change, and ***** about PvP issues. Or if you'd rather try to make a go of it and attempt to make things better within the existing framework and perhaps garner enough support to truly make your voice heard amongst the developers.




*Gets off soap box*

Take care folks

Or maybe this should be: Victory, wtf (what the ****)?


Not sure at this point. I must admit that the weekly grind is really beginning to get to me. This hasn’t at all been aided by some of the PuGs I’ve subjected myself to.


On one hand, the wtfs seem to be bringing more people to the table for tf/sfs. On the other, the wtfs seem to be bringing more people to the table for tf/sfs………If you get my drift…


Now, bear in mind, for the first couple of years in this game all I did was either PuG or run solo depending on my mood. So I thought I’d seen just about every sort of strange/funny/stupid/childish/weird/good behavior possible. However, since the implementation of the wtfs, I’ve seen more concentrated “interesting” actions by people than I thought possible.


Personally, I feel that the devs need to give us a break from wtfs every few weeks. (i.e. every fifth week, have no wtf available or w/e). I realize that *I* don’t have to run the wtfs every week and can do w/e I want with my time. Unfortunately, if you have many 50’s, as a lot of the long-term player do, you feel obligated to strike while the iron is hot and get as many of them “finished” (your level of OCD or commitment defines what exactly that means).


After a few runs of the same tf in a short period of time, all I want from that tf is done.
I don’t mind running for drops on occasion but aimlessly wandering through missions in the hopes that they will somehow complete themselves, makes me want to bite pieces of my desk off. And really, in my experience, grinding a tf for incarnate shards seems almost futile given the randomness of the drops. It has seemed for me that the difference in shard drops for speed runs vs. grinding is maybe 2-3 shards, ymmv.


Anyway, in the spirit of sharing (because, after all, sharing is caring), I have created this thread as a place for people to relate their adventures in wtf’ing. Please, no names, the guilty have rights too….





So there I was on a Sis P with 5 other controllers. The tank/brute had dc’d (he had warned us of the possibility, was having power issues in the area) after about the 2nd mission.
We had pressed on and were closing in on the home stretch. We were approx 100 minutes in at this point and I had the rest of my life waiting on me. The next mission was Axel-F. I was on my ill/rad and stealthed down to where he was hiding at the back of this large cave map. TP’d Philly on her electric/kin to me and we dispatched Axel and his spawn. Mission ends, good times.

I believe we either had a fedex or a tap the phones mission next. Then it was on to KR and Sky for the disabling of the sonic devices. I bop over to the missions, stealth through and tap the glowies. In these situations, reveal is a nice power to have. Someone actually complained about waiting for everyone to get in these missions before completion…hmmm Note to self: Mission completion xp/inf still really seems to matter to some multi-year vets…

Last mission. Defeat Clamor, free 5 hosties, whack sonic device.

Not really a mission you can stealth as the hosties are spread out. However, 2 of them are almost always in the last room with Clamor.

So we push through and have freed 3/5 hosties. I have already run reveal on the map and know where Clamor is, so I start moving in that direction. Strangely there are no mobs in the corridors I go through, but w/e. I end up at the last room and Clamor is waiting about 20 feet from the entrance to the room. 3 other controllers have followed me but the team lead and 1 other have gone off to fight extraneous mobs…the lead dies and then says something to the effect “now you can finish without me”..…and we did….He had refused two rez’s and a port to a clear area…

He did, however, in tells, more or less say that people should follow the team lead because they have the kick button….


I look forward to everyone's tales from the dark side as well as the various peoples desperate need to tell me I was in the wrong about how I approached the last few missions.

Because of the way things are going right now (wtfs in particular), leveling toons has become pretty painful. I have a lvl 20 arch/mm blaster that I'll join with otherwise it will never get leveled.




*Yes, I realize this is a red side run. It is still sitting in Praetoria.

eh. This run of Isos is essentially done. I've been hanging back because many times in the past few weeks there have been 9 people to start the sessions.

So Wednesday is not an issue this week for me.

Eh. Ran maybe 4-5 TFs and a little solo grinding for a-merits on a brute and scrapper. Plus I went from 40-42 on a brute by running Tina's arc.


Honestly, at this point, 2 x XP weekends feel a lot like Christmas does in some ways. It's great for the newer and returning players(kids) but not so much for the long time players(adults). I suspect I'm not alone in the situation where soon all the possible slots on Victory will be used. Accelerating the process.....













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If there is still room, I have a blaster that needs shards and the component. As well as any purple recipes that will drop.

I'm in if there is still room. I have a Dom that needs to leech for some shards.

Maybe...Dunno what I'll bring but I have a number of toons that haven't run this, unlike some people.

Hmmm. The way I see it, there is only one way to resolve this controversy.

A mazola wrestling contest between Philly and Smallz!

It really is the only way...


And in the spirit of self-sacrifice, I will be more than willing to officiate.

These are the 50s I have on Vic. Every build is completely a PvE build unless noted. Also, all builds are pre-inherent fitness other than the dom.



blasters-energy/fire (so/ho)
sonic/em(io)
fire/em(io-PvP)
fire/mm(io)
rad/elm(io)
psi/em(so-io)

def- rad/rad(so)
rad/ice(io)
cold/sonic(io)

WS(so)

PB(so/ho)

stalker-em/ea(so)

corr-db/dm(io)
rad/kin(io)

troller-fire/kin(so/ho)
ill/rad(io)

brute-elm/ela(io)
ss/wp(io)

SoA-widow(io)

scrapper-bs/wp(io)
fm/wp(io)

tank-wp/axe(io)
inv/ss(io)

mm-ds/dm(io)

dom-mind/fire-PvP U

My ill/rad is available for this. Maybe the fire/mm blaster, depends on how the evening goes for incarnate salvage.

HBD Viv

Eh. Don't sweat it. I don't believe there is blood or money riding on what happens here. Or even blood money for that matter.


My progress:

TFC- completed
Atlas Medallion- Need vampires- was hoping for a Moonfire to crop up but I was occupied with other things when one did.
FPR- need fakes
Portal Jockey- Need Siege (grr, the new arc is much more streamlined but include all the f**king AV's...) and Anti-Matter.

Call to Justice is on cool down and will be available by Sunday.

I have unlocked the Alpha slot but other than the pity common shard that drops at the end of the arc, I have made no progress towards a alpha enhancer.

Lets not even go into the clicky accolades as other than the explores and history plaques, I have no idea.


Bah- Forgot about the build..I have to respec it into the i19 version. But that's not an issue as I have all the enhancements except one and it's not very expensive.

Anyone know if there is a new version of mids for i19 out yet?

And it now appears that we will have another couple of weeks to ruminate on this and deconstruct the issue.

Looks like the Kheld and Dom bugs forced a delay till after Thanksgiving.