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Quote:I concur!Originally Posted by Memphis_Bill
I agree with Nightshade on everything, but have to bring this up.
When brought up at Herocon, the Shard was mentioned as a *LOT* of work - which, it is. Four huge zones to add stuff in - and a reason they don't "like" revamping old (as opposed to giving us new) content.
That said - I think that dev statement is greatly unfair. It's like complaining about the gas mileage of American cars by pointing at one of those jet-powered funnycars that burns, what, 20-30 gallons a second or something. Yes, it's an extreme example of the work that would be needed. And I don't think it'd be argued that it WOULD be a lot of work - but using it as a reason NOT to? Poor.
If the Shard were revamped, I'd expect it to be a (long delay) issue of its own, with corresponding events and contacts in both Paragon and the Isles. (Whether it would touch Praetoria... I don't know. I think it'd be a bit odd to.)
Of all the old hazard zones, I'd like to see (in order)
- Perez. Just chop down the damn forest. Really. War Witch, dear, you mentioned relocating mission entrances, so why do my level 10s get sent deep into the maze, while my 40-50s get missions around the edge?
- Dark Astoria. SO. MUCH. STORY that could be done in here! So much potential! A three way supernatural war, for all intents and purposes (or two way with the Tsoo stuck in the middle - see "Tsoo Faced" in AE. It's old, but there.) I've wanted to see this redone for so long, really building on the atmosphere and exploring its history!
- Crey's... I'm "eh" about. Mostly because it just needs "something there," but it - to me - has never been all that inspiring of a zone. OTOH... Praetorian/Primal DE meetup in this toxic wasteland...
- Boomtown. One, I want the "Destined for valHalla" left alone
but other than that, I'd love to see a multi-issue progression done here, reclaiming the zone, showing some progress. Threw a proposal about that up over a year ago, still wouldn't mind seeing it.
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Quote:I would assume pre-order the Complete Collection. The wording was wierd, yes, but I would assume both are up for pre-order on March 2nd.Originally Posted by Fiftycalsniper
Forgive me if this was already addressed-but if I want to get early access to DP/DS, then I preorder. Okay. Check.
But if I want to get the 'special goodies' with GR, I need to order the Going Rogue: Complete Collection in July?
So then would I need to buy this twice to get the whole shebang? I'm confuzzled. Or could I pre-order the 'Complete Collection' one to get everything? -
Sure as heck delete the Security Chief 'mission'.
He does NOTHING! One Hunt mission? Thats a Jack throw-back if ever I saw it... -
Also, all the ranting about 'it's easy to get to 20!'...Well...yeah, because you know how to. A new player will NOT have that knowledge, unles they ask around and study up. In which case they are probably bright enough to either figure out or learn how the EATs work best.
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Quote:The Old Lady MM powerset! We're all DOOMED!Originally Posted by TamakiRevolution
GG, I think your avatar should be a slide show of the Golden Girl's cast :\
If you did not read that old suggestion, then fail on you. That thread had so much win in it... -
Quote:That much is certain fact. Unless they've changed that since Herocon.Originally Posted by Golden Girl
Dual Pistols and Demon Summoning are NOT a part of I17 - they´re an exclusive feature of GR - so when I17 goes live everyone will NOT have access to DP and DS.
If you buy GR in advance, you get access to one of its features in advance on the live servers as a perk - it´s as simple as that. -
Quote:Read; Waaaah, entitlement much?Originally Posted by JD_Gumby
(dumbing things down, making it pointless to bother with getting to 50, spitting in the eye of vets, whatever)
Ye Gods, why am I still surprised at this sort of stuff? I really shouldn't be... -
Quote:Oh God, it all makes sense now! OoOriginally Posted by Tokyo
G_G is Paragon Studio's marketing AI.
Also, I just want to point this out;
Is everyone 100% sure that Dual pistols and Demon Summoning are free content? Because last time I checked, it seemed like they were being included in Going Rogue. NOT an Issue.
Now, I may very well be wrong on that. But just throwing it out there, into the sea of speculation. Because it seemed that way in the Herocon vids. *goes to check again*
Edit: Yup. "Two new powersets in Going Rogue." 05:50 in the vid here; http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SItM3OLqb5w
Ergo, Dual Pistols are Demon Summoning are GR powersets, as I thought from when that vid came out. -
I like Z and Rock's answers. I tend to de-rail and go rambling off into the sticks with posts like this, heh ^^;
Quote:Well, yeah...but who's to say 'Everyone' is right? This all gets into 'What IS right?' and suchnot. Is it more of a crime to kill a killer than to let him slaughter more people? The letter of the law might say so. What about the 'spirit' of the law, and justice? In my opinion, thats the sort of line that the Vigilante walks along, and sometime crosses over.Originally Posted by Rock_Powerfist
To answer Tech s Who says the Vigilante's are actually wrong?
The simple answer is everyone .. as they are breaking the codes of the society that they live in , remember where Paragon is
From the internet ..
The last execution in Rhode Island was in 1930 and the death penalty was abolished in 1984.
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Quote:This is your opinion. Not everyone has the same opinion.Originally Posted by F_M_J
The mantra of this generation. I want it all and I want it now, no requirements, no effort, just rewards!
btw; if you need to play a *EAT to have fun then you have may have other issues.
Yeah, they all play WoW...
Most people play video games to have fun and enjoy themselves. To the vast majority of people, accomplishing goals, especially difficult ones, is fun and rewarding.
My point still stands. A reward is meaningless without an effort to obtain it. Most people that play MMO's want, or even need goals, they want challenges that have to be overcome, and to be rewarded for what they do.
They now need to remove the "Epic" label and just make them available at level 1 as just another AT for each side.
As I said before, I don't really care if its 20 or not, but the defense people are using for lowering the levels is just ridiculous. A casual player can get to 50 within a few weeks now. If you work at it, it can easily be done in under a week. A recent example is a new toon I rolled up, played him a couple hours a night and am now 47 and created him 19 days ago. Mostly Task Force xp, with a few sessions of radio missions thrown in.
Not saying you're 'wrong'. But I dont get how either side can really claim to be 'right'.
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Quote:I've had a level 50 both sides for a long time now.Originally Posted by Debtlover
I agree entirely, but why sour a new player on khelds by giving them an at they have no idea how to handle? The drop to 20 is not my main issue. My main issue is now "What will be the reward for a new player once they hit 50 for the FIRST time?"
And I still haven't rolled a Kheld that I've kept. On the other hand, I have 3 VEATs.
They will appeal to some, and not to others. Whats why I still think we will see 'inferior' ATs still used when GR hits, because certin types suit certain playstyles. -
Quote:The river of entitlement tears, washing away?Originally Posted by Debtlover
plain and simple we've become downgraded to capes.
what is our endgame reward now?
If the level 20 unlock get's rid of Elitist BS like this, then good.
I personally enjoy VEATs more than HEATs. That said, I've seen some very good Khelds, I like the story behind them and I think they look cool. Thye just don't quite gell with my playstyle, is all.
Should they be some 'uber leet grind-for-gear' style AT? No. For every 'n00b' that unlocks them, there will be someone willing to take the time over them and do it 'right'.
And hey, if people do end up complaining about them being 'not leet', maybe they'll get another looking at and some more buffing, tweaking and polishing? -
Quote:No, the Complete Edition has CoH/V AND GR in it. As in, it's the 'Complete' gameOriginally Posted by Fleeting Whisper
No, you need to already have a CoH/V account in order to apply GR.
Which means 30 days free playtime for those of us who have the game already. -
Gnuh?!
Curse you, Uni net! I want to log in an check this, but I cant! -
The thing is, it all gets very subjective.
I'm probably going to be wandering into grey territory with Wolf as well, given how much his mind-set has darkened since the 2nd Rikti War.
The main thing is, I guess;
Who says the Vigilante's are actually wrong?
Yes, an eye for an eye is not the most efficient form of justice ever. However, who's to say someone who kills, say, a mass murderer, when the court and justice system refuse to do so; who is to say s/he is wrong? They've probably saved the lives of many other people and potential victims. They may be judged 'wrong' by having 'stooped to the level of evil' and all that.
It depends on the character. If they get to the point where they are killing with the view 'I am right, I am above the law' and not listening to any plea against this, then thats treading the line between Vigilante and Villain.
On the other hand, you have those who kill villains, fully accepting they are doing so, with the view of 'Better the guilt on the head of one man than on the head of many."
I'm now rambling but, it's complicated. Always will be.
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The Devs have said for a long time now that making the EATs unlock at 50 was 'a major mistake'.
The definition of 'Epic' that the playerbase seems to have is not the same one the Devs have, irrc. 'Epic' in this sense is 'tied hevily to the canon and with their own story'.
Now, yes, arguably the VEATs didnt really pull off the story part. However, there are any number of reasons the EATs are getting unlocked at 20 now;
-More accessible
-Less of an 'Elitist' or 'Grind for the good stuff' feel
-Potential to add more EATs in future with less hassle about 'Oh, but they unlock earlier than 50, no fair!'
This game has always been less about the grind and more about enjoying the diversity and variations along the way. Which is probably a good thing, and why this game is still unique when compared to others out there. -
Glee.exe
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Quote:Thats because you do not poke questions at the MastersOriginally Posted by Silver Gale
The one class that's pretty much always left out of these discussions are Masterminds.
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Quote:Excuse me while I snigger at the foolsOriginally Posted by Golden Girl
I'm not sure if this counts as tragic rather than stupid?
From July last year:
http://forums.champions-online.com/s...ad.php?t=23588
Edit: Oh, wait, this one's pretty good!
http://forums.champions-online.com/s...ad.php?t=99974
...ppffffttttt...yeah, you listened to the community...
Anyone who has read 'Going Postal' by Terry Pratchett will understand when I say: Reacher Gilt. -
The Devs decided AE was broken. Well, no, they decided the potential of getting from 1-50 within a day was ludicrously broken.
So they fixed it.
That has nothing to do with any 'player cartel' on the forums.
Hell, me and my friends still use AE. Are we breaking some sort of self-imposed law that AE is dead?
Did someom mention an ignore button..? -
Quote:Thats fair enough.Originally Posted by SupaNerd
I don't see where that was called for. If something used to cost $50 and now it's $20, that makes it cheaper.
I'm not going to get into some stupid Socrates evaluation of the word "Cheapen" vs "Epic". By definition, it's been cheapened.
Is that a bad thing? Not everyone is going to think so. For new players, it will give the sense of having achieved something. It brings them closer on par to the other players, and stops the feel of having to 'grind for the good stuff'.
It will also allow some people who have been playing for a longer time and still not got a 50 to finally experience the EATs. I know of a number of people on the channels Unionside that will be happy with the change.
It's a bit like saying a Sale at a shop is a bad thing. -
Peoples definition of 'Epic' obviously differs heavily from the Devs'. They view it as 'tied in heavily to cannon and the in-game story'. They have also said that 'making them unlock at 50 was a major mistake'.
So they changed it. Does it cheapen it? Only if you're that narrow minded. Does it allow people far more access to cool stuff in the game? Yes. Does it make the game less 'grind for elite content'? Yes.
It also took me 15 months to get my first Hero 50, and maybe a bit longer for my Villain. And Im am glad that other casual players don't have to go through the rough ride I did to get the EATs. This was before the exp smoothing curve, and my Hero was before the debt changes. Not my idea of fun, for one thing. -
Quote:Originally Posted by cursedsorcerer
Paragon, Paragon. Once again you have failed...
TO DISAPPOINT ME THAT IS!
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Quote:I need to remember that one!Originally Posted by Dark_Respite
Don't: be rude. Unless the person in question is an absolute git with the social skills of a slobbering rabid weasel high on angel dust. In which case, a scathing eloquent putdown followed by putting said git on /ignore works just fine.
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I think the highest non-glitch damage has to go to Inferno. When slotted and with Aim and Build Up, that puppy can burn a heckuva lot of hp.
But some of these sound win too