AresSupreme

Originally Posted by macskull

No one's complaining that a primary was nerfed, they're complaining that an entire powerset was nerfed when only a single power needed fixing. It's like taking your car to the shop and having the mechanic say "oh your oil needed to be changed but we replaced your entire engine." Reading comprehension, yo.

Originally Posted by MallNinja

I've played corruptors, defenders, and controllers with Radiation. Which would be most effective in zone pvp, and why?

Thanks...

Originally Posted by Xanatos

It's harder for melee characters to get kills.

Originally Posted by recalx

going to try to be nice for a second....


ok...

with incarnates, everyone is a debuffer.
you can grab as many as you want, and then switch them according to the situation. example: going against a blaster with a rad with reactive is generally dumb, use diamagnetic. regen? ok maybe go reactive... playing a therm? preemptive.

let me put numbers out... my earth/fire's initial volley against a regen goes for 800 points minimum and animates in 3 seconds, every 10 seconds, i can dish out 500 points of damage to a regen in a 3 second volley which i fill in with a bunch of fast attacks in between that proc 75% of the time because reactive is beast. wdup?

Originally Posted by recalx

eh, you don't even need a therm or poison... colds and rads shred any melee if they have reactive.

hell... my earth/fire will do it too.

Originally Posted by The_Masque

Its been my opinion that the reason that the i13 changes were so 'horrible' is that the devs actually tried to listen to people (note: not saying pvpers) who claimed to know what would work best for pvp. They also took peoples claims that "yeah I would try PvP if only xxxx were in place".

What worries me most about these changes (stalagamites- yeah that needed to happen) (KM- I'm not too sure about, I will crunch some numbers soon) is that I fear they listened to the people screaming "omg nerf KM" rather than actually looking at the numbers and understanding that KM was only 1 attack, rather than an entire chain.

If its true that the devs asked a specific player "hey what changes needs to be made to make pvp viable" and that person asked their friends then reported back, wow that makes me really fearful of where PvP is going in this game.

PvP is has so many facets- zone, duels, team arena, and even fiteklub. I certainly am not an expert in all those different aspects of CoH PvP and I'm not sure any "one" person's opinion is credible to suggest changes.

During the last few weeks of PvP Bootcamp Z asked all of us (players new to pvp as well as a few pvp vets) what we thought needed were top issues. Honestly, while there were some good suggestions and some that just didn't make sense at all, the one thing that I kept thinking was:

You are asking the wrong people.

As a mostly team arena PvPer any suggestions I made would have totally been slanted towards that aspect of the game. If Z had asked someone like Merc maybe it would have been slanted towards fiteklub. If he had asked someone like Suckafish it may have been slanted towards duels. The point is, its nice to take a poll of what people want, but you have to sample the whole population not just one aspect of the PvP spectrum.

The aspect of PvP that I find most enjoyable- team pvp- is such a small population, and we do it so infrequently that potentially its needs/wants should be placed last.

The largest population of people pvping would probably be zone pvpers so changes that affect them (ie... km changes) could potentially lead to more trouble and rage than the few who scream "OMG NERF KM" when they probably would have been screaming "OMG NERF BS" or "OMG NERF CARP MELEE" if they had been hit by it.

Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan

I was never a fan of KMs basically 2 shotting squishies and 4-5 shotting other melee toons, but I also dont think "the devs got this one right"...they basically overdid it as usual.
Just like what happened to Forts back in the day.

Originally Posted by recalx

how could you have been so stupid as to spend any money whatsoever on a melee toon?

Originally Posted by Fiery-Enforcer

No it isn't. This is a PvE change, low HP cap has been complained about for years, now Stalkers will actually get use out of Dull Pain and stuff. It'll help in PvP too, but won't make them OP or anything.

Originally Posted by The Katalyst

Yeah that was definitely just because of the Tanker HP cap, nothing more.

The new cap will allow Stalkers to reach just above 2000 hp, assuming they don't raise or lower it before release. This is obviously to mend the whole issue of +HP powers becoming somewhat irrelevant with the base HP boost but not cap boost at the same time. I can see this making a pretty big difference in Stalker survivability, as if they had problems with that anyways.