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You exact statement was 'one of the most sucessful speakers of all time'.

I can tell you in that list, he doesn't get anywhere near my top 100, inflated figures or not.

Just how would you objective judge the success of say Socrates versus someone like Julius Ceaser against the amazingly powerful speaker at the right time like Churchill, and Rush ?

It pretty much a meaningless statement up front, as there is no way of objectifying such a statement, and so its down to opinion, and basically meaningless opinion at that.

How can you judge the ability of a speaker who is dead and no recording ever existed of ?

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Yes my exact words were successful. I didn't say greatest, I didn't say most persuasive and I didn't say most intelligent. I did say successful. Because there are objective measures.

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Oddly enough when I get invites to farms, even from people I don't know its usually in the form "Would you like to farm?" Either that or its a blind invite.

Im in the skip it camp on nukes with three exceptions.

Rain of Arrows
Full Auto
Blizzard.

I just love it when people say Ice doesn't have AOE and I can point to blizzard.

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Logic and facts are always the issue. If you make a statement, and try to validate that with an example, and your example is shown to be incorrect, then yes, it does - to many people - invalidate your whole argument .. especially if you try to stick to your guns and maintain your position, facts or no.

The fact is that you didn't know something, so you made up some numbers. If you did it with Rush's statistics, you could be doing that with ANY numbers that you put up, thereby potentially invalidating anything you say.

You don't 'get' that, this much is pretty clear. I'm certainly not trying to argue that you should. Just trying to point out why people are responding as they are.

You: "A is B because C."
Them: "C isn't true, so B might not be A."
You: "Stop harping on C, it was just an example!"

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Not to harp on symbolic logic but

Mine was rush is succesful, having a large audience is a sufficient condition of success in his field, his audience is large somewhere between 20 and 30 million.

The response is AHA you are wrong about the size its only larger than everyone elses.

It in no way invalidates my premise.

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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.


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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.

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The fact that you think that just proves my point further. Thanks.

[/ QUOTE ] His point was that Rush is a successful radio talent(number 1). Everyone ignored that part to focus on incorrect numbers. Regardless of which numbers turned out to be correct, his point is still correct.

edit: Also, raising the numbers for his own purpose wouldn't do any good. Since you know, Rush is #1 either way.

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Logic and facts really aren't the issue here, just look at the responses further down.You have cat saying because I didn't research audience numbers it brands me an untrustworthy scalawag. Goat is still stinging from when I caught him deliberately misreading charts.

What do they come up with as a response ? I don't know Rush Limbaughs audience numbers so therefore I can't be trusted ? If that's the best they can do its pretty pathetic.

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When will the witch hunting end? Soon any mission that has an outdoor map will be called a farm/exploit.

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Ah, yes. The ever "valid" slippery-slope argument.

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If thats a slippery slope we are long since at the bottom of the gulch.

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When will the witch hunting end? Soon any mission that has an outdoor map will be called a farm/exploit.

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Witch hunting is fun for some people, the best you can hope for is a new crop of witches.

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Munitions big draw is LRM. Its the best part of the set and you don't need it. You have Full auto and Boost range, so you have a sniper range nuke on a faster recharge already.

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There's nothing wrong with two sniper range nukes with a fast recharge right?

(Since Long Range Missile Missile is instant (non DoT) damage it can be immediatly followed by full auto, eliminating just about everything in the spawn before they can see what's hitting them.)

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Lrm has a 4 minute recharge vs Full autos 1 minute plus it has a 6 second cast time. you can do more damage in your buildup window with other attacks

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Always found the "after sets" arguement to make little sense. If that same blaster was not most survivable and DPS producing before sets and now is after sets.. what happens when ATs he was comparing to also slots purple sets?


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I was comparing like to like. The blaster high damage powers do more to start and get even better as recharge goes up. The problem is without sets blasters aren't as survivable. Once you get them some defense sets, that changes.

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Single target may just go to SS brutes tho, while AoE sucks their fast attack chain requires little tweaking to build and hold fury and KO blow with it's massive dam, KU AND hold is pretty nasty.ST one time attack pretty sure goes to nrg builds, but the long ani on ET (cripes, they turned my fav punch into an AS attack lol) make it screw up sustained dps.

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Unbuffed and on one target ? They start slow and need to work up that fury. They also aren't coming into their own till rage is stacked.

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So I'm considering making a /energy blaster, but trying to figure out what primary I'll get the best synergy using power boost, boost range etc.

I was considering doing sonic, but power boost doesn't affect the -res correct?

Boost range seems to have a huge synergy with anything with a snipe for that huge base 240' range you can achieve.

So if I want to make a blaster that seems to take advantage of both of these effects, which would it be?

I wish we had Rad blasting.. That'd be sweet with power boost.

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Anything goes well with energy, nothing you choose would be bad. Personally I love Fire and Ice. Ice is a boss killer.

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Except PSI. Well excluding pvp.

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Calibrated Accuracy is just fine.

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... not unless they changed it since last time I looked.

*looks*

Nope, hasn't changed. Still gives, like, 45% damage buff for ALL SIX IOs. It's the only "booby trap" set I'm aware of that is designed for a damage power and doesn't come anywhere near the damage cap.

I know you've done a ton of reading, but there's a little more in my sig.

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Doesn't matter its a booby trap set in a booby trap power. It gives two ranged defense bonuses that add up to nearly 3% additional ranged defense. A decent recharge and accuracy bonus as well. Its also dirt cheap.

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How often do you get held w/the softcapped defense? I'm trying to decide between using flight or going for super jump + acro.

Normally I'd just get acro no question, but it's an energy blaster so I want hover to control the knockback more effectively.

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One or two breakfrees is usually enough to deal with any mezzes that get through. Knockback winds up being a bigger problem on the ground. If they knock you on your butt you cant maintain your range and that ranged defense winds up being worthless.

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I thought lvl54 custom boss mishs were the new meow....

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If you can farm those solo my hats off to you. A spawn of 8 hits for about 5000 points on the alpha. Then its slow going to get through them.

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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)

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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!

I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.

From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.

Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.

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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people

Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.

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City life I have never reported post or asked for moderation. I must say I thought very little of some people before today. But bringing fire down on your friends is even lower than I thought they were.

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EDIT - NM, I see it. I had posts deleted in another thread without that notification (posts that I don't think were nearly as bad as the stuff being slung in this thread, btw!)

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welcome to the wonderful world of arbitrary enforcement!

I've had posts that even made me blush live long fruitful lives, while other completely innocuous ones were sent to feed the forum monster.

From years of first-hand observation I've noticed that directing a barbed post at a fellow forumite who prefers to handle their own business, Evil Ryu for example, will garner no rebuke.

Direct a much milder post at a thin-skinned type who's preferred method of discourse is tattling to Daddy and *poof*, things tend to vanish.

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Projection: A defense mechanism where a person's personal attributes, unacceptable or unwanted thoughts, and/or emotions are ascribed onto another person or people

Thinks back and remembers an entire thread locked and deleted that was concerning a certain poster best described as toxic.

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I've said it before, and I'll say it again: The amount of people who quit because the AE farms were fixed is absolutely minuscule compared to the amount who would have quit if the exploits were not fixed. When the game becomes a mindless, effortless grindfest and nobody has any idea how to do the high-level content, the game just isn't any fun anymore. The devs don't want that to happen, and neither do I.

And anyone who quit because they were afraid of being caught cheating is probably someone who wouldn't be fun to have around anyway.

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You are right as far as I can tell. I don't think anyone quit because they were afraid of being caught cheating. I certainly don't know anyone who did. I do know a couple that quit because of actions they felt were in the wrong.

The comm officer exploits certainly needed to be fixed I don't know of anyone who argues otherwise.

The lingering problem is no one knows whats fair game now and whats forbidden. I think the situation I set up shows its pretty damn hard to distinquish between exploit and fair play, and its certainly a mistake an automated script could make an error on.

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So this thread is about Rush Limbaugh and Jimmy Carter conducting an experiment to manipulate viewship ratings?

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Actually, what this thread has become about is testing for my own curiosity how totally willing to wander away from a thread AF is. He's done it many times before (with me at least). He'll pursue disagreement on tangents and sidebars without limit as far as I can tell. When he responded to me on the Limbaugh tangent, I figured I'd run with it and see how far it'd go. I'm a little surprised we didn't manage to derail the thread into space the mods would have to intervene on in terms of political discussion. While we've gone far afield, we managed to not tread on the mines there.

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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vJXU7EVXs2A

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He is, in my opinion, no longer the voice of that ideology. Once upon a time, he had a much more signficant support base among its adherents. Since that ideological voice is what I know him to tout himself as, I do not find him successful. Sure, he's a commercial success, but I consider him a failure at what he once set out to achieve.


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I met a traveller from an antique land
Who said: Two vast and trunkless legs of stone
Stand in the desert. Near them on the sand,
Half sunk, a shatter'd visage lies, whose frown
And wrinkled lip and sneer of cold command
Tell that its sculptor well those passions read
Which yet survive, stamp'd on these lifeless things,
The hand that mock'd them and the heart that fed.
And on the pedestal these words appear:
"My name is Ozymandias, king of kings:
Look on my works, ye Mighty, and despair!"
Nothing beside remains. Round the decay
Of that colossal wreck, boundless and bare,
The lone and level sands stretch far away.

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Yes, his numbers are impressive .. But overstating his rating numbers to make your point does not validate your argument - in fact, that you exaggerate them (whether intentionally or not) shows us the opposite - that you are either not paying attention to the actual 'numbers', or that you are twisting them for your purposes.


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Thats insane. I mean completely bonkers.

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This argument is silly.

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This QFT etc

I realized that when immense wealth and power were declared not indicative of success. I almost wanted to reply with "You Fail TEH Real Life Shiny" at that.

That they went onto argue the size of the audience, is well pointless. The only point was that it was big.

Munitions big draw is LRM. Its the best part of the set and you don't need it. You have Full auto and Boost range, so you have a sniper range nuke on a faster recharge already.

Force gives you very nice mitigation and a safety button. Another choice might be Ice for you. The armor can slot both resist and defense globals and you have a nice set of self heals.

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It's not your fault, you play your powers at their best.

However, I wont blame the Kin either. On many circumstances, some you wont notice, KB can be annoying for your teamates. Maybe this one didnt notice you were using your powers being careful all the time long : so many players just dont care and scatter the packs without paying attention.

I saw more than once a PB in our team : in our set up (tank herding... etc) we had to ask him not to use his KB powers. Well, it was the same as asking him to remove half his buttons from his bar. Some got pissed and left, some didnt.

KB is just a bad mechanic in this game, even if sometime it can be fun.

I'd like to see new enhancements that would allow us to turn KB into KD.

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In the team environment it can be very problematic.

Soloing its a lifesaver and about as good as blaster mitigation gets.

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There are people I can't stand, have agendas I despise, but who have achieved amazing things. You dismiss such to your own detriment.

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There is a difference in dismissing someone and believing that either

1) That they are not something I would aspire to be
2) That there are better examples I might aspire to.

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Jimmy Carter is the perfect example from the otherside. You may think he was a complete idiot, but he was president and your chances are somewhat less than 1 in 300 million.

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If I was concerned with becoming the president those odds would be different because the actions I would take in pursuit of that goal would make it more likely. As such, that "statistic" is less than meaningful.

Any any president you can name, plus Rush and most other people in the public eye (or public office) got there on a mix of effort and a significant dose of being in the right place in the right time. There's no doubt that there's some savvy involved in what most of them did to get there, but I find little about it to particularly look up to. I judge them on what they've done with the position, and if my best way to judge Rush is his net worth, forgive me if I don't find that so inspirational.

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So if a sports figure has questionable morals you dismiss their athletic ability ?

An entertainer a questionable personal life, it must have been luck or being in the right place.

Would you discount JFK because of the uses he put his office to ? Or that he inherited great wealth ?

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Way off topic but the man has an audience of between 20-30 million people on a daily basis

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Rush has always listed his audience numbers per week to skew perceptions five-fold in his favor. His largest audience was in 2003 with 20 million listeners per week (4mil/day) and the current stat is 14mil per week (2.8mil/day). Impressive numbers but nowhere near this 30mil number you've imagined into existence.

On topic: makes me wonder how much of your market claims are likewise exaggerated or pulled completely out of thin air.

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Good to know. Whats the source ?

And on to topic, It validates the point I was making that he has an enormous audience.

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Going back to my traffic analogy, you could argue that society allows a certain amount of speeding or lawlessness. We don't have cops on every street at every moment giving out tickets. Even if it was self sustaining and the tickets paid for all the cops most people would agree that it's not an efficient use of resources.

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I think we are kind of close but if we try to talk more we will wind up destroying both of our analogies.

On the subject of how it was handled I think we are both in agreement. I think positron wanted to use fear to get people to put on the breaks and it backfired.