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Originally Posted by Muon_Neutrino

The lack of an AoE slow in traps to stack with whirlpool does give me pause, though.

Originally Posted by Pinkpup

I find it ironic that most people on the troller forum would have putting bonfire in the 'mostly' skippable column some month ago if asked. Now a proc comes along, which is causing people to stick it back in their build... and some wish to return it back to graveyard of skipped powers.


And by the way, you could have the same discussion about tornado. Lets see, auto-hit, good damage, rarely used till the kb proc came out.

Originally Posted by Reppu

Let me just stop you and ask this: Do you honestly think a power you can literally 2 slot, 1 Recharge and the Proc, to stack it, is immune to the Purple Patch due to how KB functions, has no accuracy check, and has no target cap, and is capable of locking down multiple, not singular, MULTIPLE, spawns... is balanced?

If you answer Yes, then you agree it needs to be addressed.

If you answer No, you're Protecting The Precious Thing. Or are just badly misinformed.

BUT, I will answer your question with the following:

Originally Posted by Techbot Alpha

My SS Brute says 'Thanks for an attack that's better than Jab and makes my low level attack chain brutally fast'

Actually, I think it'd more be along the lines of "BROOT SMARSH!!"

Originally Posted by Reppu

I THINK they did, but that only applied to melee attacks and I've seen melee pets engaged flopped enemies.

Originally Posted by Reppu

I also like how Blasters, Dominators, and Masterminds somehow don't get Bonfire all of a sudden and this argument is only based on Controllers.

Originally Posted by Warkupo

See, that's an interesting sentiment because you have a wildly varied description of how the power seems to perform with the addition of this new IO. From people who warn of it being overpowered, to people who are saying that it being overpowered is fine, and then all the back to people who are saying it's not useful in slightest.

Which is precisely why I can't really debate "balance" without even seeing it in action. Offhand though, I think a power that is being described always ready, can knock down enemies to the point in inaction, and does something-greater-than-terrible damage to the enemies it is used on to be overpowered. That is, again, only derived from what I've been told by both people on either side of the argument for whether or not is it overpowered.

Originally Posted by Warkupo

That is pretty terrible advice for an MMO for many reasons. I'm unfortunately (or fortunately, depending on how you view it) not terribly invested in this conversation to explain why in agonizing detail, so I'll mostly repeat myself: Games lacking adequate user input are not games people generally enjoy playing.

Notice I make no mention of difficulty in that statement, as difficulty really does not have as much bearing on whether or not people play something. Farmville, for example, is a game I would consider "easy" but has nevertheless acquired much attention, primarily because it requires an engaging amount of user input.

If you've heard the term "I Win Button" that's basically what is being applied in describing how bonfire works with this IO. While you may enjoy the instant gratification that results from pressing the "I Win Button" the first couple hundred of times, you are eventually going to get bored of it as an intelligent human being who needs to be mentally engaged. Unless you are just incredibly simple, which I very much doubt.


That being said, I haven't actually seen Bonfire in action to determine if I think it is "overpowered" or not, which is why I say I agree with Reppu's sentiment. We may not always like to admit it, but keeping balance in check is important regardless of whether or not you are immediately aware of why.

Originally Posted by Trickshooter

Is it tacky to bring up my own suggestion here? >_>



Edit: Also, I sent this suggestion to Arbiter Hawk and he said that if it really came down to it, they could just easily make the Overwhelming Force proc not affect Bonfire and Tornado, but that they were monitoring them and so far they didn't feel a need to alter anything yet.

Originally Posted by Oedipus_Tex

[Note: A common question on other powers in the Bonfire family (Repel, Repulsion Field, Whirlwind, etc) is whether to slot the Knockback Chance for +Recharge there. The answer is almost always no. In toggle powers and patches, the proc fires every 10 seconds. Since the toggle is constantly knocking enemies out of its own radius, the only time it could fire is if it happened to pulse the exact moment an enemy entered range. Procs in Bonfire work basically the same way. Procs fire every 10 seconds, not every time the enemy is knocked back/down.]