NCSoft and some additional context


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So in trying to understand what's been going on with NCSoft and their announcment from yesterday, I've done a bit of digging around with some help. I came across this article from 2009:

http://t-machine.org/index.php/2009/...ness/#more-725

It's interesting reading and helps to explain some of the context of why NCSoft is making the decisions that it's making. The basic gist of it is, NCSoft currently has more money then they can spend. Really, literally, they can't spend all the money they have. So from that standpoint we can see that offering to buy the IP won't really phase them much, because they don't need or want (yes, I know that sounds hard to believe) the money. The risk to them is far greater that at some point in the future, someone else will come in and take money away from them with a better game/property. So it makes sense in that context to hang on to the IP and bury it, to prevent the competition from getting a leg up on them, especially with a possible product they used to own.

But that's also why the SaveCOH movement can't let up with the pressure that we've created. As Mercedes Lackey and others have pointed out, the actual acknowledgement of our efforts from NCSoft is shocking and unusual. It means that people there are actually concerned that future earnings (the only thing they really care about) could be impacted at some point by the negative publicity that they are getting from this event. So we have to keep going. We have to keep threatening their future earnings and make them realize that the potential negative aspects of sitting on the IP and squashing our community will come back to bite them in the future. Because I for one, believe that it will.

So stay strong, stay committed, and keep fighting the good fight. This is far from over and we have to keep going. We WILL win.


 

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Yeah, well, I don't see any reason to keep the fight to save COH positive after reading this:

http://www.escapistmagazine.com/news...-Cant-Be-Saved


NCSoft has finally publicly addressed the effort to save COH and politely told us no. And, as politely as I can manage, I'm going to wave my middle finger in the air at them as I boycott and slam their products as belonging to the MMO killer.

The can politely pound salt up their collective corporate *****.


 

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Originally Posted by Lock0n View Post
Cross-posted to the titan network


So in trying to understand what's been going on with NCSoft and their announcment from yesterday, I've done a bit of digging around with some help. I came across this article from 2009:

http://t-machine.org/index.php/2009/...ness/#more-725

It's interesting reading and helps to explain some of the context of why NCSoft is making the decisions that it's making.
This link at the bottom of your link's is also very interesting reading. It's amazing how you can bearly tell that both blog posts are from 2009 based on how history is repeating.

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Whoops! I forgot to include the link: Why NCsoft Doesn’t Sell Off Its Failures


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The link's from 2009, and NCSoft has had a bad Q2 (and from what they've released so far, looks like it'll be a bad Q3 when they release the numbers). Big loss. So "they've got so much money they don't care" may no longer be true.


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Big loss doesn't mean they're hurting for money... it means they're embarrassed and have to answer to their shareholders, so it looks like they're offering COH up as a sacrificial lamb to appease them. They can't do nothing, so they picked what they saw as a weak link --a small, but steady earner that failed to gain popularity in the Asian market-- and cut it loose. It won't fix their reported loss, but now they can claim they've done something and hope for things improve in the next quarter.


 

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They can never sell CoH.

Look, the Paragon market was an epic disaster, right? Totally incompetent. And yet! With that in place, the game was profitable.

If they sold the game to anyone even halfway competent, what do you think would happen? The game would do better. Lots better.

ncsoft can never sell CoH, because if they do, it will succeed and they will look like idiots for selling it, and like idiots for wanting to kill it, and like idiots for not running it competently in the first place.

They care a lot more about not looking like idiots than they do about money. Sadly, they have not considered the radical alternative strategy of just not doing stupid stuff in the first place.


 

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Look, the Paragon market was an epic disaster, right? Totally incompetent.
*scratches head* Whaaaaaat?


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Its done, get real, ppl like that fantacy writer person isnt goin to do nothing. CoH is NCSofts and they said DONE. So, guess what??? No matter what anyone does (all but give them $100,000,000 for their game) isnt going to make a damn bit of good on saving it. ......(((GUESS WHAT? IM RIGHT)))...damn shame huh?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

F uc k man, I want the game around...not going to happen now... done, get over it, this world is the way it is...

Play till you cant, like me, or fu ck off...thats what NCSoft has done....


 

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Or you could just go **** off yourself. Who are you to tell anyone else what they should be doing or feeling right now?

You're do what you want--if that means giving up, then so be it. You're NOT welcome to insult others for doing what they feel is right. Eat a dick, dude.


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Or you could just go **** off yourself. Who are you to tell anyone else what they should be doing or feeling right now?

You're do what you want--if that means giving up, then so be it. You're NOT welcome to insult others for doing what they feel is right. Eat a dick, dude.
I dint say f uck off di cklips...

What I said...................

Its done, get real, ppl like that fantacy writer person isnt goin to do nothing. CoH is NCSofts and they said DONE. So, guess what??? No matter what anyone does (all but give them $100,000,000 for their game) isnt going to make a damn bit of good on saving it. ......(((GUESS WHAT? IM RIGHT)))...damn shame huh?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?!?

F uc k man, I want the game around...not going to happen now... done, get over it. This world is the way it is...

Play till you cant, like me, or fu ck off...thats what NCSoft has done....

My next post .....................

Piss of, don't care I am just trying to bring a bit of REALITY to this place..But f uck me for even trying huh? I don't give a s hit anymore. Game is fu cking dead no matter how you look at it....HEY little hint bud...The forums aren't even being modded anymore. I know from all the nasty bull s hit I have seen since the announcement.. I didn't tell anyone THEY Couldn'T DO SOMETHING. I said, its no use..fu ckin comprehend what you read at least.. damn.


 

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You told people to "go kill themselves". That makes you the absolute worst kind of person. You are on the same level as NCSoft--heartless and only out for your own interests. Show a little ******* compassion for your fellow humans, you worthless piece of ****.

Trust me, I comprehend everything absolutely fine. I'd wager I understand better than you, from the way you can't seem to string together a coherent thought. I'd further wager that just about everyone on these forums understands what's going on, to the point where your "reality checks" amount to nothing more than profanity-laden ramblings attacking people for the audacity to have so much as a shred of hope.

As for the forums not being modded anymore? I know for a fact they are. I just got modded yesterday. For the most part, they're only modding attacks against NCSoft, but I'm pretty sure a post telling people to kill themselves over a video game won't stick around too long.


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You told people to "go kill themselves". That makes you the absolute worst kind of person. You are on the same level as NCSoft--heartless and only out for your own interests. Show a little ******* compassion for your fellow humans, you worthless piece of ****.

Trust me, I comprehend everything absolutely fine. I'd wager I understand better than you, from the way you can't seem to string together a coherent thought. I'd further wager that just about everyone on these forums understands what's going on, to the point where your "reality checks" amount to nothing more than profanity-laden ramblings attacking people for the audacity to have so much as a shred of hope.

As for the forums not being modded anymore? I know for a fact they are. I just got modded yesterday. For the most part, they're only modding attacks against NCSoft, but I'm pretty sure a post telling people to kill themselves over a video game won't stick around too long.
Nope didnt happen....Assuming better understanding is bogus...People just wont except the truth...It is really done...no matter how evil you want to be to me...thx...goob...

And modded my a ss. I seen some evil stuff...want links? Its sick...really I wont be here once I lay down. I am done with POSTING here//will maybe read, but wont post..I will 100% be playing till fade to black cause I love this game like others.maybe more cause of the impact it had on my life and my wife and mother and father...Dont care what you say. I have this game till nov 29th at 11:59:59.. :P and you cant stop me...


 

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Nope didnt happen....
Right. Too bad moderators can actually see the changes you've made to your posts. The notation that they were edited an hour after the fact is a clue to everyone else.


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Right. Too bad moderators can actually see the changes you've made to your posts. The notation that they were edited an hour after the fact is a clue to everyone else.
Its time stamps and as I did it I knew you would look..I didnt mean to say that part... I am pissed like the rest...But I know the game is dead now after nov 29th at 11:59:59..Unless you can pull millions out of you bung...I would save this game if I could even take myself "close to broke but no broke) if I could..crap is crap, done is done..noone sees it and they done have too... You know what I said to my wife.. I told her, I bet there is really someone out there that will REALLY kill themselves over this game once the lights are turned out..She said..Probably..That is just insanely stupid...But, as we know people and the worrld..Might happen... See my point man? People are just to nuts over things that arent real. Help the homeless, the poor, the starving. ** CoH...Guess what..CoH is more important that human life to them...Messy isnt it........


 

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But I know the game is dead now after nov 29th at 11:59:59.
It's November 30 at 11:59:59 PM, Pacific Standard Time. The game will shut off when the clock rolls over to December 1.

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People are just to nuts over things that arent real. Help the homeless, the poor, the starving. ** CoH...Guess what..CoH is more important that human life to them...Messy isnt it........
I'm unemployed and am on the verge of exhausting my savings. If I don't get a good paying job by the end of November, I'll be one of those homeless starving people.

I still want CoH to stick around and will do what I can to make that happen. Since I don't have the finances to do so, I do what I can in other ways. Namely, relay information as soon as I hear it to other people who DON'T have the time to spend on the message boards, call out bullshitters, and otherwise just hang with the cool people I've met over the last 8½ years.


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It's November 30 at 11:59:59 PM, Pacific Standard Time. The game will shut off when the clock rolls over to December 1.
No sorry, it isn't...it is 11:59:59 pm nov 29th....My time it will be 2:59:59..I am not searching for the post, but a red name clarified..


 

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It's November 30 at 11:59:59 PM, Pacific Standard Time. The game will shut off when the clock rolls over to December 1.


I'm unemployed and am on the verge of exhausting my savings. If I don't get a good paying job by the end of November, I'll be one of those homeless starving people.

I still want CoH to stick around and will do what I can to make that happen. Since I don't have the finances to do so, I do what I can in other ways. Namely, relay information as soon as I hear it to other people who DON'T have the time to spend on the message boards, call out bullshitters, and otherwise just hang with the cool people I've met over the last 8½ years.

I WANT COH TOO WTF?! i NEVER SAID i DIDNT? DAMN

Guess what slim, I have been disabled since 2010 and my wife will exaust her unemployment this coming april, and I have a 3 year old daughter and a 20 year old daughter trying to make it on her own, besides a mom that needs my help and a dad that almost fu cking died a little while back..Dont think you have **** bad YO!...come on...fu cking drop me a bone here I dont need this s hit..have a good day bud!


 

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I WANT COH TOO WTF?! i NEVER SAID i DIDNT? DAMN
I never said you didn't. In fact, you've mentioned several times that you DO want it to stick around.

You're obviously reading something into my post that quite simply is not there.

You're also doing the exact opposite of what you SHOULD be doing--even by your own admission. Log in, play the game, and enjoy the time you have left. Ranting, swearing and insulting people on the message boards isn't doing you any favors (AND it's more unhealthy than hoping for a miracle to spring up and save us all).


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http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=297865

Corrected info is given in 3rd message posted, due to the NCSoft rep miscalculating the shutdown time. But he did verify that we'll be playing thru Nov 30th.

According to the post listed above, the server shutdown time will be at 30 Nov 2012 11:59:59 PM PST.

For those of us on East Coast time, that is 1 Dec 2012, 2:59:59 AM.


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No sorry, it isn't...it is 11:59:59 pm nov 29th....My time it will be 2:59:59..I am not searching for the post, but a red name clarified..
A red name clarified that it would be on the 30th. (Highlighting below is part of the quoted post, not my doing.)
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You will be able to play until 11:59:59PM on November 30, 2012. Servers will go down at midnight.

I'm sorry for the confusion. Midnight is a tricky time to have something like this happen. I'll update all communication we've posted about this.

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I never said you didn't. In fact, you've mentioned several times that you DO want it to stick around.

You're obviously reading something into my post that quite simply is not there.

You're also doing the exact opposite of what you SHOULD be doing--even by your own admission. Log in, play the game, and enjoy the time you have left. Ranting, swearing and insulting people on the message boards isn't doing you any favors (AND it's more unhealthy than hoping for a miracle to spring up and save us all).
I guess i'm getting ahead of myself here...I will play till it fades to black...


 

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Right. Too bad moderators can actually see the changes you've made to your posts. The notation that they were edited an hour after the fact is a clue to everyone else.
I like how he edited the offending part to say "**** off" in both, so that in his reply it says "I didn't tell anyone to **** off, what I said was "Blah blah blah ... play the game or **** off."

Since I was late to the party, I didn't see the unedited post, so I was scratching my head wondering WTF he was talking about.


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I like how he edited the offending part to say "**** off" in both, so that in his reply it says "I didn't tell anyone to **** off, what I said was "Blah blah blah ... play the game or **** off."

Since I was late to the party, I didn't see the unedited post, so I was scratching my head wondering WTF he was talking about.
Well im the guy, and I didnt say fu ck off, it was something else..more like if this is sooo dramatic for people to be lingering on their lives, maybe they should just kill themselves... I didnt say they should, thats for damned sure, but with all this hate and bickering on these forums at the moment, everyone is twisting and miss reading what others are saying.... Dont care any more. This all will be cut off come 11:59:59 pm nov 29th anyway.

Wish it wasnt, but...IT IS no matter what you all say or do. All but shove a few mill down NCSofts frikin mouths.

EDIT FOR MISSING A NINE.....damn...OH and the PM...rolls eyes


 

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I didnt say fu ck off
Not to get started on it again, but you actually DID say exactly that.

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Play till you cant, like me, or fu ck off...thats what NCSoft has done....
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This all will be cut off come 11:59:59 pm nov 29th anyway.
Again, it's the 30th. I quoted the redname post just a few messages ago. (Highlighting done by Hit Streak.)
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You will be able to play until 11:59:59PM on November 30, 2012. Servers will go down at midnight.

I'm sorry for the confusion. Midnight is a tricky time to have something like this happen. I'll update all communication we've posted about this.

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Not to get started on it again, but you actually DID say exactly that.


(Highlighting mine.)
Ok