Nature Affinity: what are you skipping?
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Adeon Hawkwood,
Posted on: 2012-08-17 02:40 in Archetypes and Powers General Discussion
If I have to skip something it will be Entangling but I will be taking everything else. I love the iTrials and I can think of a few spots where I will be dropping Lifegiving Spores.
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I won't be taking Entangling Aura and Lifegiving Spores currently. It's not that I don't like them, just they were at the top of the list compared to the other powers.
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If I skip anything, it'll be Lifegiving Spores and Entangling Aura.
Lifegiving Spores is mostly unimpressive in what it does (less Healing than other Heal toggles and +Endurance that doesn't even fully offset the cost to run it for the caster without slotting*), and Entangling Aura is just too expensive for it's limited mezzing capability.
*And why there's a toggle that grants endurance while costing endurance is beyond me.
I basically don't skip anything when I'm trying something out for the first time. So I'll be taking 9/9 powers.
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I'll be skipping the set entirely, the play-style doesn't appeal to me which is a pity since I do love the visuals 
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I will be skipping Entangling Aura.
Regrowth actually, since I playing solo like 90% of the time so an ally only heal/rez just doesn't appeal. Everything else, on the other hand, will find a use.
If anything, Entangling Aura.
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Think you mean Rebirth. Regrowth is the cone heal.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Regrowth actually, since I playing solo like 90% of the time so an ally only heal/rez just doesn't appeal. Everything else, on the other hand, will find a use.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
If I skip anything, it'll be Lifegiving Spores and Entangling Aura.
Lifegiving Spores is mostly unimpressive in what it does (less Healing than other Heal toggles and +Endurance that doesn't even fully offset the cost to run it for the caster without slotting*), and Entangling Aura is just too expensive for it's limited mezzing capability. *And why there's a toggle that grants endurance while costing endurance is beyond me. |
This is false, as of the last time I tested the set (about 2-2 1/2 weeks ago). Lifegiving spores now hasa lower end cost, and even unslotted gives more than that back (much more if memory serves, but again, 2 weeks) I remember using the power whenever I knew I was going to be in a protracted battle to help me last that much longer, or to recover faster from unexpectedly trying spawns.
The spore's not giving nearly as much end as they cost was changed a few weeks after the introduction of the set on beta if I remember right.
As to the question, my beta defender has just skipped the rez, although I had planned on doing alot of soloing. Since rebirth can be used to heal someone before they die I can see it having more value, but it still has a long recharge (for a ST heal, normal for a rez) so it seems very skipable still.
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Just logged onto my beta nature defender, the cost on lifegiving spores is higher than I remember, but still lower than the end given. I have a performance shifter chance for +end, and a heal/end in the power, and thanks to the double end cost on toggles when logging in bug, managed to get my end usage from toggles higher than my listed recovery, yet with spores I went from near empty (under 10% end) (second edit, used a stop watch rather than eyeballing it) to full in under 1:30.
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Regrowth is a cone heal that Heals YOU and anything in front of you. I wouldn't suggest skipping it as a soloer.
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Originally Posted by Agent White
Regrowth actually, since I playing solo like 90% of the time so an ally only heal/rez just doesn't appeal. Everything else, on the other hand, will find a use.
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Devs sez its because it gives END to an entire group.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
*And why there's a toggle that grants endurance while costing endurance is beyond me.
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Originally Posted by Come Undone
This is false, as of the last time I tested the set (about 2-2 1/2 weeks ago). Lifegiving spores now hasa lower end cost, and even unslotted gives more than that back (much more if memory serves, but again, 2 weeks) I remember using the power whenever I knew I was going to be in a protracted battle to help me last that much longer, or to recover faster from unexpectedly trying spawns.
The spore's not giving nearly as much end as they cost was changed a few weeks after the introduction of the set on beta if I remember right. |
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Edit---- Just logged onto my beta nature defender, the cost on lifegiving spores is higher than I remember, but still lower than the end given.. |
Lifegiving Spores costs 1.04 Endurance every 4 seconds (0.26 per 1 second).
For someone without +MaxEndurance, Lifegiving Spores costs more Endurance than it grants.
Well I don't like to do beta because I'm not very good with giving feedback and I prefer to wait for the finished product. I will not be using Lifegiving Spores in the Trials, thanks for that.
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I mean, I know WHY... Support toggle end costs have to be balanced for more than the caster getting their benefit. But toggles that cost endurance and grant endurance and/or recovery are still weird to me. It'd be like a toggle that granted 10% Defense to a team, including the caster, but also cast an 11% -Defense on just the caster.
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Originally Posted by Yogi_Bare
Devs sez its because it gives END to an entire group.
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Rebirth I meant. Kind of obvious which one I meant when I said the ally only heal/rez guys, duh 
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I suspect that, in addition to "it also helps other people", there's the issue that it is thus susceptible (perhaps) to +endmod or endredux.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
For someone without +MaxEndurance, Lifegiving Spores costs more Endurance than it grants.
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True, but it's still strange.|
Originally Posted by seebs
I suspect that, in addition to "it also helps other people", there's the issue that it is thus susceptible (perhaps) to +endmod or endredux.
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Going back to my other example, let's say there was a toggle that granted 10% Defense to a team including the caster, but also cast an 11% -Defense on just the caster. Unslotted, it's a net -1% for the caster, but 10% everyone else.
You could slot it up to 15.6% Defense for the team, but the 11% -Defense (which we'll assume is unaffected by enhancements for simplicity) would still leave the caster with only 4.6% Defense.
It's not terrible, no, but should the caster have to slot just to get a non-negative net value from their own toggle's effect? That's what I have an issue with.
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
True, but it's still strange.
Going back to my other example, let's say there was a toggle that granted 10% Defense to a team including the caster, but also cast an 11% -Defense on just the caster. Unslotted, it's a net -1% for the caster, but 10% everyone else. You could slot it up to 15.6% Defense for the team, but the 11% -Defense (which we'll assume is unaffected by enhancements for simplicity) would still leave the caster with only 4.6% Defense. It's not terrible, no, but should the caster have to slot just to get a non-negative net value from their own toggle's effect? That's what I have an issue with. |
But I hear ya; I figured this would follow the same format as Conductive Aura... but it Heals too... so, I suppose a cost is warranted. [As well as bypassing recovery debuffs by giving straight endurance]
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Originally Posted by Trickshooter
True, but it's still strange.
Going back to my other example, let's say there was a toggle that granted 10% Defense to a team including the caster, but also cast an 11% -Defense on just the caster. Unslotted, it's a net -1% for the caster, but 10% everyone else. You could slot it up to 15.6% Defense for the team, but the 11% -Defense (which we'll assume is unaffected by enhancements for simplicity) would still leave the caster with only 4.6% Defense. It's not terrible, no, but should the caster have to slot just to get a non-negative net value from their own toggle's effect? That's what I have an issue with. |
Isn't it normal to build around end costs though? I know what you are saying that the caster does not get then end gain from the power, but they do get the healing, so they are getting half the effect for only .04 end per second. Just ask a pain user if they would trade the a weaker heal for no end cost on soothing aura.
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I'll be skipping Rebirth and probably Lifegiving Spores.
I might also skip Corrosive Sap (on ATs where that's possible), because I really find it underwhelming. I'm kinda sad that 3 out of the 4 ATs are saddled with the power.
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Entangling Aura. Lifegiving Spores actually costs nothing if you stand in it, from what I understand, so I'm taking it - it's a constant heal patch that grants end to your teammates. I just wish it ticked faster, that's all, but no way am I skipping it.
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They're effects that you would want, sure. But as a single target power it's basically only useful against Bosses/EBs/AVs, making it skippable for me.|
Originally Posted by _Klaw_
On Wiki it's Corrosive Enzymes and it's -res and -dmg Isn't this something Controller's, Corruptor's and Masterminds would want?
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Less skippable that some others, but skippable nonetheless.
Entangling Aura at least serves as a set mule.
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I can't wait for this set. I play primarily support and this looks like a very defensive but impactful set which is just up my alley.
What powers are you all planning on skipping? Entangling Aura doesn't look like it will fit my playstyle so if I take it it'll just be as a set mule. Lifegiving Spores doesn't look too amazing but I didn't get far enough on beta to test it.