Why Do People Spam Incandescence?

I have had the misforutne lately on being on several itrials where the leader and others in the group hit incandescence every time it is up. Many people in the group, including myself, ask them to stop. Not only do they not stop, but they call us idiots for not realizing the genius of spamming incandescence. So I am asking the community, what am I missing here?

I see several things wrong with constanly spamming this power. All of these points are compounded by the fact that more often than not, the incan spammers seem to tp people right into the middle of the mob or the boss's face, killing the squishies. But even when that doesn't happen:

1) The power doesn't actually increase regen, it just gives a buff to incoming healing. So if the healers have to stop healing to hit yes/no on the teleport promp, during that time there is no healing at all and the buff is meaningless.

2) When people are tp'd they lose their positional awareness. Most decent players like to find a sweet spot where they are close enough to attack, heals etc. but not right in the middle of the mob. Probably not as big a deal for melees, but it defintely is for ranged dmg and support toons. So even assuming that it's not a completely mindless tp into the middle of the mob, there is still time wasted by people trying to get their bearings and get back in position.

3) Aside from the healers, during this time,the tanks aren't taunting, the CC'ers aren't CCing, DPS drops, etc.

4) I have every MO badge on my badger and on none of the runs did anyone spam incandescence. With the exception of some Keyes runs, in fact no one used it at all. It is simply not necessary for anything in the game. If a player or group is so lacking in something that it can't control mobs, put out dps, etc., I would suggest there are numerous issues to look at before incandescence is considered the solution.

The point is that whatever marginal benefit is given by incandescence, it is more than outweighed by the loss in wasted time caused by breaking peoples' attack chain, situational awareness, etc.

I'm not saying the power is worthless, Sometimes a strategic TP to get people out of the green on Keyes can make sense. Using it to buff before a boss fight can make sense. But IMHO, mindlessly spamming it on trash mobs is pure stupidity. In fact mindlessly spamming any incarnate power doesn't make a lot of sense, but incandescence is especially annoying.

So I ask, am I missing something?

i think Null the Gull can fix this problem of where you cant be affected by team tp. Of course this can be an upside and downside to it

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

1. Most people DONT think it increases regen. Or even claim it does. SO you saying it doesnt, as some major point really..means nothing. Not to mention, the people who take it..I would say they ALL know what it does, which..you dont. It isnt a buff to incoming healing either..it is lowering a persons resistance to healing, so the take more. Because it is not the most well explained mechanic, or understood, many people dont know what it IS doing. Most people when faced with something the dont understand (and something the likely would have annoyed them) WONT take it.

I am not trying to say it cant be annoying..but it you are going to claim, indirectly, that the power is useless because it doesnt do what YOU think others think it does..it kinda weakens your argument.

2. I totally understand you here. I agree it is annoying. If you HAVE the tp prompt on, you get distracted by the Yes/NO option, perhaps not using that power you meant to etc etc.

3 and 4..can all be summed up with..

People are idiots. And the TP portion of the power IS annoying.
There is no way around it. I can see both sides of the argument, for and against using it. I would agree that at least half of the people using it, use it at totally silly times, like in the middle of a mob, making everyone face the wall and stuff. Mind you..I dont know when the BEST time would be. You are always going to piss someone off..look at the whiny people who complain about getting sb'd! (Myself, I am a whiny person when it comes to ID)

Another funny thing with the issue to me..I play on Freedumb mostly, and there are OFTEN arguments about the issue during trials. ANd the thing is..pretty much everyone who I see with the power, is a PvP'r. They are used to spamming it in RV every 2 mins, without regard of where their team is (in RV I mean. I have been tpd away from a kill a LOT more than I get tpd away from dying). Then of course, they bring that delightful pvp mentality along, and call everyone who just, for some insane reason, doesnt LIKE being tpd into a wall, off a cliff, into aoes, a nub.

Look on the bright side..a good portion of those players have quality pvp builds..you know the ones..therms with shields or Caut, colds without shields, the list goes on and on. So at least, even WHILE annoying everyone, they are doing something for the league..

Also, in defence to these people and the power itself..is it really spamming to give the league a huge healing increase? I get MAD at emps constantly spamming healing aura..I would go so far as to call that more of a spam, and more potential to let someone die, being in the animation when a team mate takes damage. At least the TP does throw us all together, then that silly spamming emps heal with actually HIT us all, instead if the 3 people way at the back.

The power itself..I get they wanted to try something else. But if using it whenever its up..counts as misusing it..what do we call the person with barrier, ageless, rebirth, who dives into a mob ahead of everyone, almost dies, and fires of their Destiny, buffing NO one else on the league?
Well..besides a twit.

Turn your prompt on and use these two binds

/bind Y "dialog_yes$$dialog_answer Accept" 
/bind N "dialog_no$$dialog_answer Decline"

@nihilii This and also there is no map on any itrial so large that any tp is needed.

nope. some people love their tp powers though, so much they must use it.

I just canceled those affects for me on most toons and use the y or n button. But that pop up can be annoying as crap especiallywhe it's popping up a little bit too often

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Originally Posted by mauk2 Evil_Legacy became one of my favorite posters with two words. "Kick Rocks." I laffed so hard. Never change, E_L!

They think they Masterminds.

I didnt see this happen until recently.
Was on a BAF, that was under poor leadership I might add and during the Dual AV fight things were getting a lil tough and I had taken some damage so I flew really high up to avoid further attack. (Softcapped to range and have +range on my attacks from alpha) and then all of a sudden I was hovering in the middle of the fight right off the ground.

Flew back up and I will say it did happen another time before the trial ended. Very annoying.

I haven't really seen this happening at least on Virtue. I have seen people with Incandesence but they were using it sensibly in situations where a league-wide TP is useful (such as Rikti MS Raid, it's great if people are ignoring the requests to move up to the center).

To the OP, I originally thought this was just a complaint thread from someone who didn't know how to select the teleport prompt, but you honestly have some very good arguements.

Mainly, the fact is that most people have the prompt off, and most people are so dazed by the teleport that it would slow down the teams DPS etc.
If I were on a PUG and wanted the trial to end faster, you're correct in that I should not use Incan.



Although personally, I use Incan when I believe the team is being too slow. As an example, as my team is finishing the last mob to open up the Lamb doors, I'll Incan to the side of the EB. Anytime 15+ seconds in travel time or something else can be saved, I Incan the team to where it should be. In SLAMs, again, I'll also use Incan to gather everyone for buffs before Marauder, because there are always a few lost.

If a team were to try and break some record speed for trials, they would most certainly take advantage of an instant league wide teleport. That being said, it looks as though you're speaking from the perspective of PUG trials, rather than organized. On a PUG, the majority of people want something simple and without effort. Introducing strategy or complexity would hurt the situation.

In other games I would covet a power like Incandescence; in City of Heroes things are straight forward enough that it usually just complicates things. Outside of Avoiding the Green stuff there isn't anything where the benefit is obvious.

I will confess to using Incandescence to pull a non-compliant league to where they should be to finish an objective. It's useful if you're leading a league and also happen to be the only one bothering to read league chat - it wakes people up and shows terminal auto-followers where they should be following to.

Yes this happens on Virtue. About 3 times for me in the past week in TPN. I asked them to stop since I didn't have the prompt on. I was pulling terminal groups and getting ping ponged into the middle of the room. Of course their response was to turn on teleport prompt. So I had to take 5 minutes and find the damn thing just so they could think they were cool. There was no reason to use the teleport.

Fixed (in beta anyway).

"Team Transporter can no longer be activated while on a mission map."

Yeah I missed how it was a new section not part of the incarnate powers section derpy derp.

I think most people on freedom have no idea what the power does and just complain that they are being tp`d. Incan is probably the best buff in the game. You should be grateful they are buffing YOU and everyone on the team.

Bit of advice, put the prompt on and if you don't like it, ask nicely. I have heard how rude the "pvers" are about asking to stop, it isn't normally very nice and if you are rude you can expect the same in return, pvpers are no different in that respect.

The bottom line is that the buff is not necessary. It can be helpful if used at the right time, but never necessary. Used improperly, it can make things worse.

Let's say I am on my blaster -- I like to be in the rear with the gear attacking from range. If the taunters/cc people are doing their job I shouldn't be taking any damge at all, so the healing buff from incandescence is irrelevant. Even if I'm taking some splash dmg or there's a stray mob or two, if that means I'm taking 20 dps, but I'm receiving 25 hps, I don't need the buff.

If, on the other hand, I get tp'd into the bosses face/middle of the mob so that I am now taking 250 dps, the fact that incandescence is buffing me to 200 hps isn't helping matters.

(I'm pulling these numbers out of you know where, but it illustrates the point).

On top of that, when there are three people in the group spamming it everytime it's up, that means that about every 100 seconds or so, everyone in the group stops healing, dpsing, taunting, etc. for roughly 15-20 seconds to deal with the prompt, reposition, etc. Again, that doesn't help matters.

A lot of the people complaining know exactly what it does and quite rationally conclude that the benefits aren't worth these costs.

Also, when half the league keeps saying "plz stop tp'ing" numerous times and the response from the same three people, (who only have the 1-year vet badges and few to no MO badges), keep spamming it nonstop and say "noob," just who is being rude?