8 year vet rewards?
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Posted on: 2012-08-08 24:26 in ALL ACCESS Gameplay Technical Issues Bugs
Character slots are apparently supposed to still award according to some posts, but I didn't get one with my anniversary.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Much like Aggelakis, I received diddly squat for my 8 year anniversary--no badge, no extra character slot, no bonus Reward Merits... nada.
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Originally Posted by Nethergoat
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I wasn't keeping up with my extra slots so I'm not sure if I got the character slot or not when I hit 8 years in April.
By the time I thought to check that it was well after my anniversary date.
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the reward merits were converted to the paragon rewards
the free character slot i think might still be handed out but i am not sure
the badges have been basically declared unfixable by the devs and many players advocated removing them if they are gonna be permanently broken
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Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
the reward merits were converted to the paragon rewards
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Thanks for the responses folks.
In all honesty, these rewards aren't that big of a deal. The reward merits were always a trivial amount. The extra slot is nice, not gonna lie. The badge, well, I've really not been much of a badger since all the badges for inventions were installed. However, the attitude implied by pretty much ignoring/glossing over this issue is a bit grating.
I guess I'll go pound on a few more doors to try to get a concrete answer.
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Originally Posted by _Flux_
Thanks for the responses folks.
In all honesty, these rewards aren't that big of a deal. The reward merits were always a trivial amount. The extra slot is nice, not gonna lie. The badge, well, I've really not been much of a badger since all the badges for inventions were installed. However, the attitude implied by pretty much ignoring/glossing over this issue is a bit grating. I guess I'll go pound on a few more doors to try to get a concrete answer. |
A few months ago they finally sort of admitted that they had given up on getting these things to work after the CoH:Freedom changes basically broke the system. It's not like the awarding of Vet-type badges were ever a 100% error-free affair even before that. But the fact that they let people keep complaining about not getting their latest badges without letting everyone know they had already considered it a no-go was a bit irksome.
Since then people like Zwill have told us that the Devs still want to try to resolve the issue someday. But I pretty much consider it a lost cause despite the several suggestions we the players have offered them as reasonable alternatives.
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Originally Posted by Lothic
Yeah the Devs' handling of this issue was almost worse than the problem itself.
A few months ago they finally sort of admitted that they had given up on getting these things to work after the CoH:Freedom changes basically broke the system. It's not like the awarding of Vet-type badges were ever a 100% error-free affair even before that. But the fact that they let people keep complaining about not getting their latest badges without letting everyone know they had already considered it a no-go was a bit irksome. Since then people like Zwill have told us that the Devs still want to try to resolve the issue someday. But I pretty much consider it a lost cause despite the several suggestions we the players have offered them as reasonable alternatives. |
IMO, it comes down to this: which is easier to implement,
1. Fixing a system that appears to be broke beyond recognition
2. Removing all vet badges and giving out paragon points as a compensation
I am not overly fond of badges being removed from the game (ref. the Great AE purge) as I prefer to see erroneous/obscenely high badge criteria readjusted. However in the case of the vet badges I think it is time to just remove them and be done with it.
Now comes the question: what should players get as an apology/compensation for having all 8 vet badges removed? Well players below Tier 8 in the new system as I recall get 400 paragon points per month, so lets do some math:
400 pts. per month times 12 months in a year = 4800 points. Now let's take 4800 points times eight since there are 8 yearly vet badges in the game: 4800 times 8 = 38400 points.
Now, given that tracking all players actual Tier status is problematic since anyone can buy points and thus gain tokens and tier levels, it is unlikely they can determine what anyone should be at if they never bought points. So that would likely mean giving everyone 38,400 paragon points as a compensation for all 8 yearly vet badges being removed.
So would 38,400 paragon points being awarded to you make you smile and want to spend them? Would you still feel upset or dare I say "violated" at the removal of the yearly vet badges?
Or should something other then paragon points be awarded? Free game time? Coupon for receiving one of the recently released power sets? Restore some of the "lost" AE badges into the AE system with more reasonable requirements to obtain? Award all the game anniversary badges to all characters in the game? A Resurrection of Statesman event similar to how we brought back Red Widow? Character slots/transfers/rename tokens?
What do YOU think would be good compensation for the removal of the yearly vet badges?
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Why would you expect ANY sort of compensation at all? You already received some bonus (a veteran reward and a costume slot) back when you earned yours during pre-Freedom. Removing just the badges from your characters doesn't undo that.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
What do YOU think would be good compensation for the removal of the yearly vet badges?
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And since Freedom launched, there are no rewards associated with the yearly badges any longer. It's the same for all players, so why should anybody be compensated?
Are you talking about losing a few badges from your badge collector, reducing him from, say, 1402 to 1395 badges? Does that really matter if all other players also lose theirs? (Also, if you just want to show the age of a character, there's still the anniversary badges for that.)
Or are you complaining that you won't be able to gain the ones that other people already had? Yes, they might have received one more character slot for each YEAR the played longer than you, but they actually paid their subscription for that long time. Buying a character slot now is much cheaper than subscribing for a full year. Again, it's the same for all players, so nobody's put at a disadvantage.
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Compensation for having 8 badges removed? Why would they need to compensate anyone anything?
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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I never said that I personally was expecting compensation, I was posting examples of what they COULD do to appease any ruffled feathers as it were since there will be SOME people that want compensation.
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Originally Posted by Tenjoy
Why would you expect ANY sort of compensation at all? You already received some bonus (a veteran reward and a costume slot) back when you earned yours during pre-Freedom. Removing just the badges from your characters doesn't undo that.
And since Freedom launched, there are no rewards associated with the yearly badges any longer. It's the same for all players, so why should anybody be compensated? Are you talking about losing a few badges from your badge collector, reducing him from, say, 1402 to 1395 badges? Does that really matter if all other players also lose theirs? (Also, if you just want to show the age of a character, there's still the anniversary badges for that.) Or are you complaining that you won't be able to gain the ones that other people already had? Yes, they might have received one more character slot for each YEAR the played longer than you, but they actually paid their subscription for that long time. Buying a character slot now is much cheaper than subscribing for a full year. Again, it's the same for all players, so nobody's put at a disadvantage. 10joy |
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I never said they should, I posting alternative ideas for inevitable outcries that will occur if they DO remove the badges.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Compensation for having 8 badges removed? Why would they need to compensate anyone anything?
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Handing out the equivalent of $400 to each player is not a reasonable idea. Not even close.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
I never said that I personally was expecting compensation, I was posting examples of what they COULD do to appease any ruffled feathers as it were since there will be SOME people that want compensation.
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Before Freedom, the monthly subscription fees were basically the only income available to pay for the servers and the game development. They were calculated very differently from now.
If you actually earned the eight years badge, you are asking for a refund of more than $4 per month for those full eight years, from a time where your monthly payments weren't calculated to include a stipend. If you had less than eight years in your account before Freedom, the numbers get even worse.
Just removing a couple of badges from all the players that have them without removing anything else the players actually paid for does not justify any compensation, let alone in the order of hundreds of dollars.
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Never said it was reasonable either, just said it was an idea. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth and lets keep things civil, shall we?
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Originally Posted by Tenjoy
Handing out the equivalent of $400 to each player is not a reasonable idea. Not even close.
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I'm sorry, I never intended my response to not sound civil; I apologize for any wording that could be understood that way.|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Never said it was reasonable either, just said it was an idea. Please refrain from putting words in my mouth and lets keep things civil, shall we?
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May I ask why you made the effort to post an idea that you never seriously considered?
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I'll answer your questions from my point of view, if I may.
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Nothing. (My question for you was why this would come up at all.)|
Originally Posted by Nericus
Now comes the question: what should players get as an apology/compensation for having all 8 vet badges removed?
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Originally Posted by Nericus
So would 38,400 paragon points being awarded to you make you smile and want to spend them? Would you still feel upset or dare I say "violated" at the removal of the yearly vet badges?
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And no, I wouldn't feel upset about the removal of the yearly badges, regardless of any compensation. (On the contrary, this would help level the playing field for badge collectors.)
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No, not according to support. The stipend is the replacement, which you can use on slots.
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Originally Posted by Aggelakis
Character slots are apparently supposed to still award according to some posts, but I didn't get one with my anniversary.
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I was under the impression that the conversion to Freedom was essentially the End of Annual badges because of the way they are now handed out (IE: use token, get badge). There was talk about how to solve the transition period, but I don't remember hearing anything beyond that.
Going by the same line of thought, the stipend is in place to compensate for the slots giving you the Choice to have one or not. This being helpful for those who've maxed out their home server and have no need for more. Now if they would just give us a way to convert that free transfer slot...
Considering all the changes, I honestly think that they aught to just finish off the Annual badges with a one time Anniversary script (or whatever works like perhaps a new token slot that activates the badge) that would serve to represent the end of Annual badges. Considering the varied sub'd state of thousands of accounts, there's some obvious complexity here and likely a good bit of preparation and time involved (with the obvious resource issue). It's too bad we're passed the game's anniversary this year or they could align it with that.
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No, you have a basic misunderstanding there. The badges that are now handed out as you buy your way up the rewards tree were given out EVERY THREE MONTHS as the 'Vet Badges'.|
Originally Posted by WanderingAries
I was under the impression that the conversion to Freedom was essentially the End of Annual badges because of the way they are now handed out (IE: use token, get badge). There was talk about how to solve the transition period, but I don't remember hearing anything beyond that.
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The ANNUAL badges were introduced with Issue 21 and relate to length of time subscribed ONLY. Unfortunately, the changes in the billing system for Freedom broke them.
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Eh, atleast I got the Freedom broke things part right. :-p
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Originally Posted by Ironblade
No, you have a basic misunderstanding there. The badges that are now handed out as you buy your way up the rewards tree were given out EVERY THREE MONTHS as the 'Vet Badges'.
The ANNUAL badges were introduced with Issue 21 and relate to length of time subscribed ONLY. Unfortunately, the changes in the billing system for Freedom broke them. |
In account management page is lists with exact specificity how long I've played starting from 2004.
What is the problem with using the information they obviously have to just continue with certain Veteran badges?
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Because it's not measuring "how long it's been since you registered your account", it's measuring "how many months of subscription/VIP time you've had". And Freedom screwed the pooch on that one.
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Originally Posted by Dispari
I don't know why Dink thinks she's not as sexy as Jay was. In 5 posts she's already upstaged his entire career.
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Wasn't sure where to ask this but since technically the yearly vet badges are having issues awarding, I'll drop it here.
Other than the yearly vet badge (8 year in my case), is anything else supposed to be awarded at that milestone? Before "Freedom" we received a badge, a character slot, and the number of reward merits equal to the year anniversary.
I tried pm'ing zomeone for official confirmation before I started complaining about a problem that may not exist, but have yet to get a response. So here I am.
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