SuperSpeedester build

_Arda_ · 07-15-2012 11:33 AM

Hi all,

I have been meaning to build a superspeedester toon, conceptually close to Flash/Quicksilver, since I started to play the game... around 7 years ago! So I think it is about time! I have tried some builds in Mids, that I will post next, but I would be very grateful if I could get some feedback from my fellow players.

Those are the rules I am following:

1) For flavour, I would like to have all the Super Speed pool powers. Yep, including Flurry... but Burnout can be skipped.

2) Does not need to be a meleer, but before someone suggests it, I already have 2 kinetecists. Moreover, while I love kinetics, it does not have the comics superspeedester feeling I am looking for. Therefore, no Kinetecists please. Otherwise, anything is welcome.

3) As much unsuppressed running speed as possible, I think this is the main challenge for this build. That probably means going for Super Reflexes or Electric Armor; or maybe VEAT, but I already got the 4 VEAT combos and the primaries dont feel very superspeedy. I think it will be mandatory to use 3 slots in all Swift, Sprint and Quickness/Lightning Reflexes. Cram as much SpeedRun bonuses as possible from IOs without gimping powers utility, then going for other useful bonuses.

4) Related to the former 2, all ATs are possible. I was thinking Stalker would be cool, as Hide and Placate could simulate the I am soooo fast that you cant see me; but anything works. For SR, scrappers get Quickness it at lvl 20 while the others usually get it much later. For ElA, everybody gets Lightning Reflexes at lvl 20, so this is a point in favour for ElA.

5) For primaries, the obvious choice for flavour would be Dark Melee, for the lovely combo of Shadow Maul + Flurry + Sands of Mu. Figure it out, 10 seconds rooted in the floor while going mental on moving your fists. Yeah, I know, maybe not very superspeedy... anyway, I have around 5 different toons with Dark Melee powers for all the ATs that have them available but Tanks, so I am avoiding Dark Melee. Other options are more than welcome, and if possible, they should make thematical sense: Kinetic Melee because of accumulating kinetic energy at superspeed, similar concept for Electric Melee and static electricity (plus Lightning Rod TP can be seen as a burst of Super Speed), Martial Arts, Street Justice...

I am posting next 2 builds worked around these previous rules. Both, improvements on those builds or new builds/suggestions are welcome!

Thanks in advance!

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_Arda_ · 07-15-2012 11:37 AM

The Stalker build, with 67,5 mph run speed:

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Level 50 Magic Stalker
Primary Power Set: Martial Arts
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Thunder Kick -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(3), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(9), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(21), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 1: Hide -- RedFtn-Def/EndRdx(A)
Level 2: Storm Kick -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(3), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(11), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(23), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37)
Level 4: Crippling Axe Kick -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(5), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(13), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(23), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39)
Level 6: Assassin's Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(7), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(15), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(31), KntkC'bat-Knock%(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(46)
Level 8: Focus Chi -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(45), RechRdx-I(45)
Level 10: Focused Fighting -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(11), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(17), GftotA-Run+(31)
Level 12: Placate -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 14: Focused Senses -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(19), GftotA-Run+(31)
Level 16: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 18: Cobra Strike -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(21), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 20: Agile -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Run+(40), DefBuff-I(42)
Level 22: Dodge -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Run+(42), DefBuff-I(43)
Level 24: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(25), RechRdx-I(25)
Level 26: Crane Kick -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(27), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(27), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Knock%(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 28: Quickness -- Run-I(A), Run-I(29), Run-I(29)
Level 30: Super Speed -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(43), Winter-ResSlow(43)
Level 32: Eagles Claw -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 35: Evasion -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), GftotA-Run+(36)
Level 38: Flurry -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(45), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(46), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(50), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 41: Whirlwind -- FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(A), FrcFbk-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(42)
Level 44: Superior Conditioning -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 49: Elude -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Assassination
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd(A), Run-I(34), Run-I(37)
Level 2: Rest -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(46), Run-I(50)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(5), EndMod-I(7)
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_Arda_ · 07-15-2012 11:38 AM

And the Brute, a bit slower, 64 mph:

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.958
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Level 50 Magic Brute
Primary Power Set: Kinetic Melee
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Speed
Ancillary Pool: Energy Mastery
Villain Profile:
Level 1: Quick Strike -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(9), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(27), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(37), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(45)
Level 1: Charged Armor -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(9), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(29), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(39)
Level 2: Body Blow -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(11), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(31), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(39), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(45)
Level 4: Smashing Blow -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(31), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), KntkC'bat-Knock%(46), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 6: Power Siphon -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(13), RechRdx-I(13)
Level 8: Repulsing Torrent -- Posi-Acc/Dmg(A), Posi-Dmg/EndRdx(15), Posi-Dmg/Rchg(33), Posi-Dmg/Rng(40), Posi-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(46)
Level 10: Conductive Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(15), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(33), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(40)
Level 12: Static Shield -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(17), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx(34), ImpArm-ResDam/EndRdx/Rchg(42)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(19)
Level 16: Grounded -- Aegis-ResDam/EndRdx(A), Aegis-ResDam(19)
Level 18: Burst -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(23), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(34), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(46)
Level 20: Lightning Reflexes -- Run-I(A), Run-I(21), Run-I(21)
Level 22: Flurry -- F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(23), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(34), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(42), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 24: Super Speed -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(25), Winter-ResSlow(25)
Level 26: Focused Burst -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(36), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(48)
Level 28: Energize -- RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(A), RgnTis-Heal/Rchg(29), Mrcl-Heal/EndRdx/Rchg(36), Mrcl-Heal/Rchg(43)
Level 30: Lightning Field -- C'ngBlow-Acc/Dmg(A), C'ngBlow-Dmg/EndRdx(31), Sciroc-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(37), Sciroc-Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 32: Concentrated Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), KntkC'bat-Knock%(50), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Power Sink -- P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(36), RechRdx-I(50)
Level 38: Whirlwind -- FrcFbk-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(A), FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(39)
Level 41: Superior Conditioning -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 44: Physical Perfection -- EndMod-I(A)
Level 47: Burnout -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 49: Power Surge -- Aegis-ResDam/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Fury
Level 1: Sprint -- QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd(A), Run-I(5), Run-I(5)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(7), Run-I(7)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(3), EndMod-I(3)
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Botzo · 07-15-2012 09:02 PM

I know no one has replied with a build other than you but it is interesting to see what you did. I kinda of took the same approach to my brute who is a Stone armor brute because I wanted to try to be self sufficient as far as run speed and not requiring a Kin for a speed boost.

Anyways, keep in mind that the alpha slot can be alpha'ed in particular ways to increase your movement speed as well, with agility giving 33% general movement, musculature 33% run speed,nerve 33% flight speed, and spiritual gives 33% to jumping, If you build for their Radials

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_Arda_ · 07-16-2012 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Botzo

I know no one has replied with a build other than you but it is interesting to see what you did. I kinda of took the same approach to my brute who is a Stone armor brute because I wanted to try to be self sufficient as far as run speed and not requiring a Kin for a speed boost.

Anyways, keep in mind that the alpha slot can be alpha'ed in particular ways to increase your movement speed as well, with agility giving 33% general movement, musculature 33% run speed,nerve 33% flight speed, and spiritual gives 33% to jumping, If you build for their Radials

Hhehehe funny that you say that, the resurrection of the Speedester concept started with a Stoner build where I wanted to overcome -speed from Rooted/Granite with speed bonuses from IOs.

Thanks a lot for the Incarnate advice, I was completely ignorant of the speed buffs in some branches. For example, Agility Partial Radial Revamp (I rarely go for Tier 4) puts the Stalker build speed shy of 71 mph!

EDIT: plus Agility is very yummy for SR characters...

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StupidlySmart · 07-16-2012 09:01 AM

Have you thought about Dual Blades? They are pretty quick attacks and can show the "speediness" and didnt daredevil always seem to use some sort of weapon to club people? My two cents!

_Arda_ · 07-16-2012 10:59 AM

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Have you thought about Dual Blades? They are pretty quick attacks and can show the "speediness" and didnt daredevil always seem to use some sort of weapon to club people? My two cents!

DB are very cool and feel really fast, good idea! I still think the best "speedester" feeling comes from Dark Melee, not just because of Shadow Maul, but also the first 2 attacks have very quick punchy animations. I love the sounds FX too. But for me Dark Melee is very magical, no matter what explanation you give to walk around it, and I have a cool tech concept in mind. Moreover I already got 5 toons with dark melee attacks (scrapper, brute, stalker, blaster and dominator).

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_Arda_ · 07-16-2012 11:06 AM

Just for completeness, after the MA/SR Stalker and the Kinetic/Electric Brute, next I am posting an Elec/SR Scrapper at 70 mph (with Agility Partial Radial Revamp)

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Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Electrical Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Charged Brawl -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(9), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(25), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Knock%(34), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), GftotA-Run+(36)
Level 2: Havoc Punch -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(37), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 4: Jacobs Ladder -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(11), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(29), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(42), Erad-%Dam(48)
Level 6: Build Up -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(13), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 8: Thunder Strike -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(13), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(31), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(37), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Oblit-%Dam(45)
Level 10: Focused Senses -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), GftotA-Run+(39)
Level 12: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 16: Flurry -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), KntkC'bat-Knock%(40), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 18: Chain Induction -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(19), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(39), KntkC'bat-Knock%(43), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 20: Quickness -- Run-I(A), Run-I(21), Run-I(21)
Level 22: Super Speed -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(23), Winter-ResSlow(23)
Level 24: Whirlwind -- FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(A), FrcFbk-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(25)
Level 26: Lightning Clap -- Stgr-Acc/Rchg(A), Stgr-Acc/Stun/Rchg(27)
Level 28: Agile -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(45)
Level 30: Dodge -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Run+(46), DefBuff-I(46)
Level 32: Lightning Rod -- Erad-Dmg(A), Erad-Acc/Rchg(33), Erad-Dmg/Rchg(34), Erad-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Erad-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(45), Erad-%Dam(50)
Level 35: Evasion -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), GftotA-Run+(40)
Level 38: Lucky -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Run+(46), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 41: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(48)
Level 49: Elude -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd(A), Run-I(5), Run-I(5)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(7), Run-I(7)
Level 2: Health -- Heal-I(A)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- EndMod-I(A), EndMod-I(3), EndMod-I(3)
Level 50: Agility Partial Radial Revamp
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_Arda_ · 07-16-2012 11:16 AM

Finally, I think this is my favourite, a Kinetic/SR Scrapper. It gets all the "Speedy" powers very soon (last one at lvl 24, not counting sloting), Kinetic Melee it is said to work better in Scrappers, Kinetic Combat IOs were selected first for their SpeedRun bonuses but they also provide nice MeleeDef, and finally the FX sounds from Kinetic Melee would make some sense in an speedester ;-P

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Level 50 Technology Scrapper
Primary Power Set: Kinetic Melee
Secondary Power Set: Super Reflexes
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Body Mastery
Hero Profile:
Level 1: Quick Strike -- F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(A), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(9), F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(25), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(34), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 1: Focused Fighting -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(9), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(27), GftotA-Run+(36)
Level 2: Body Blow -- KntkC'bat-Knock%(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(7), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(37), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(42)
Level 4: Smashing Blow -- KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(A), KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(11), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(29), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(37), KntkC'bat-Knock%(42), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(48)
Level 6: Power Siphon -- GSFC-ToHit/Rchg(A), GSFC-ToHit/Rchg/EndRdx(13), RechRdx-I(31)
Level 8: Repulsing Torrent -- Det'tn-Acc/Dmg(A), Det'tn-Dmg/EndRdx/Rng(13), Det'tn-Dmg/Rchg(31), Det'tn-Dmg/Rng(37), Det'tn-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(43)
Level 10: Focused Senses -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(15), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(31), GftotA-Run+(39)
Level 12: Practiced Brawler -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(15)
Level 14: Hasten -- RechRdx-I(A), RechRdx-I(17), RechRdx-I(17)
Level 16: Flurry -- F'dSmite-Acc/EndRdx/Rchg(A), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg(19), F'dSmite-Dmg/EndRdx(33), F'dSmite-Dmg/Rchg(39), F'dSmite-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(43)
Level 18: Burst -- Oblit-Dmg(A), Oblit-Acc/Rchg(19), Oblit-Dmg/Rchg(33), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(39), Oblit-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(43), Oblit-%Dam(50)
Level 20: Quickness -- Run-I(A), Run-I(21)
Level 22: Super Speed -- Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng(A), Winter-RunSpd/Jump/Fly/Rng/EndRdx(23), Winter-ResSlow(23)
Level 24: Whirlwind -- FrcFbk-Rchg/EndRdx(A), FrcFbk-Dmg/EndRdx/KB(25)
Level 26: Focused Burst -- Thundr-Acc/Dmg(A), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx(27), Thundr-Dmg/Rchg(34), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(40), Thundr-Acc/Dmg/EndRdx(45), Thundr-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(48)
Level 28: Agile -- DefBuff-I(A), DefBuff-I(45)
Level 30: Dodge -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), GftotA-Run+(46), DefBuff-I(46)
Level 32: Concentrated Strike -- KntkC'bat-Acc/Dmg(A), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx(33), KntkC'bat-Dmg/Rchg(34), KntkC'bat-Dmg/EndRdx/Rchg(40), KntkC'bat-Knock%(45), C'ngImp-Acc/Dmg/Rchg(50)
Level 35: Evasion -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx(36), LkGmblr-Def/EndRdx/Rchg(36), GftotA-Run+(40)
Level 38: Lucky -- GftotA-Def(A), GftotA-Run+(46), DefBuff-I(48)
Level 41: Combat Jumping -- GftotA-Def/EndRdx(A)
Level 44: Conserve Power -- RechRdx-I(A)
Level 47: Physical Perfection -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(50)
Level 49: Elude -- LkGmblr-Def/Rchg(A)
Level 1: Brawl -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Critical Hit
Level 1: Prestige Power Dash -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Slide -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Quick -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Rush -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Prestige Power Surge -- Empty(A)
Level 1: Sprint -- QckFt-EndRdx/RunSpd(A), Run-I(5)
Level 2: Rest -- Empty(A)
Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift -- Run-I(A), Run-I(7)
Level 2: Health -- RgnTis-Heal/EndRdx(A), RgnTis-Regen+(5)
Level 2: Hurdle -- Jump-I(A)
Level 2: Stamina -- P'Shift-EndMod(A), P'Shift-EndMod/Rchg(3), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc/Rchg(3), P'Shift-EndMod/Acc(21)
Level 50: Agility Partial Radial Revamp
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4c3Player · 07-16-2012 12:37 PM

i say either MA/SR or MA/WP, both of those combos seem very "speedsterish"
thats my input

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deadboy_champion · 07-16-2012 01:15 PM

Quote:

3 slots in all Swift, Sprint and Quickness/Lightning Reflexes.

What about using enhancement boosters so you can two slot Swift/LR/Quickness?

@Deadboy

_Arda_ · 07-17-2012 12:36 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by deadboy_champion

What about using enhancement boosters so you can two slot Swift/LR/Quickness?

Now that you say that, I realized after my 3rd build that putting 3 lvl 50s IOs in Swift/Sprint/Quickness is a waste, they are capped with just 2. My 4th build, the Kinetic/SR scrapper, already takes that into account.

Also, I discovered another 2 sources of +MovementSpeed: SG base buffs and the Day Job "Frequent Commuter". Both give a +15% speed buff, or in the case of the last scrapper build, they add 3 mph each, for a total of 76 mph.

For comparison, if Mid's is right, a regular toon with no movement boosts of any kind (i.e. Quickness), and 1 slotting with lvl 50 IOs each travel power as well as Swift/Hurdle and Sprint, would show those speeds:

Run: 92,5 mph (capped)
Jump: 78 mph (capped)
Fly: 58,6 mph (capped)

So the last build posted (Kin/SR Scrapper) at 70 mph (or 76 mph while the SG base buff and the day job bonus are working) would be way faster than a flyer and almost as fast as a superjumper. All while fighting with movement supression in effect... not bad!

Out of combat, with Ninja Run or similar powers it would hit the running speed cap (92,5 mph) without SuperSpeed. For combat, I guess I would need to slave a Kinetics Defender/Corruptor/Controller, hehehe!

Thanks all for the nice feedback!

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Electric-Knight · 07-17-2012 01:56 AM

I don't really seem to have any helpful advice for you, but I just wanted to say that I like this idea a lot and may shoot for making one some time.
I never thought about trying to get as much unsuppressed speed as possible as you have and I find that very intriguing.

For whatever it is worth, I feel like MA/SR is the right fit (for me, at least).
I would think that the Kinetic Melee animations might seem too slow. I could be wrong about that... they could work as sort of a pause before blasting into speed again, but I don't know. The major flak that set gets is people thinking it is too slow, mostly because the animations make it appear to be a bit slower than it really is. Still... it could work for you.

Oh... hmmm... what about Staff Fighting? I hadn't thought of that one for this until just now...

Best of luck!

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Thirty-Seven · 07-17-2012 11:59 PM

Very cool idea... I just have one comment:

It's "speedster" not "speedester." After all, the word isn't "speede."

Redd Rumm · 07-18-2012 12:09 AM

my " Speedster " toon is a elec / kin troller
i have been trying to make a speedster guy as well , if you want a mele speedster you might wanna consider claws , my claws / sr brute is a flying buzzsaw of speedy death . hopefully one day we will get a speed mele / speed secondary because no set really makes you feel like the flash
super sonic punch FTW

_Arda_ · 07-18-2012 01:56 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Thirty-Seven

Very cool idea... I just have one comment:

It's "speedster" not "speedester." After all, the word isn't "speede."

My bad! I am not an English native speaker, I wrote it as I would pronounce it. I corrected the title in this post, can I change it for the whole thread or a Mod is needed for that?

Cheers

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_Arda_ · 07-18-2012 02:29 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Redd Rumm

my " Speedster " toon is a elec / kin troller
i have been trying to make a speedster guy as well , if you want a mele speedster you might wanna consider claws , my claws / sr brute is a flying buzzsaw of speedy death . hopefully one day we will get a speed mele / speed secondary because no set really makes you feel like the flash
super sonic punch FTW

I think that for a "speedster meleer", the attack set is really down to personal preference. I personally think that Dark Melee feels fast and Shadow Maul fills the bill for a flurry attack; I am not picking it up just because I already have too many and feels to "magic" for my concept. But anything works if it feels speedy to you.

After all the experimenting in this thread, what I think it is key is +movement in the form of: 1) armor (SR/Elec/VEAT), 2) two or three slotting Swift/Sprint/Quickness/Lightning Reflexes, 3) IOs bonuses (Kinetic Kombat, which provides also nice melee defence for SR/VEAT; the +7,5% speed proc in Gift of the Ancients, many bonuses from 2 slotting sets like Aegis, Gaussian, Regenerative Tissue, Performance Shifter, Force Feedback,...), 4) Incarnate powers with +movement (Agility, Musculature,...), and 5) optionally use the short-lived buffs from SG base and Day Job Commuter (+15% each). And finally, pick up SuperSpeed powers at leisure just for flavour...

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Thirty-Seven · 07-18-2012 02:40 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Arda_

My bad! I am not an English native speaker, I wrote it as I would pronounce it. I corrected the title in this post, can I change it for the whole thread or a Mod is needed for that?

Unfortunately, you can't fix the whole thread yourself.

I think a Mod could change it though. Honestly it's a very small thing, so nothing to worry about... but I just happen to really notice little things like that.

Also, if that is the biggest mistake you make as a non-native speaker... well, you are doing a stellar job!

It is super hard to spell well in English, nothing really makes much sense. And a good deal of the rules contradict one another, unlike other languages I know.

Sorry to derail a bit there. I now return you to this Speedster Thread, already in progress.

_Arda_ · 07-18-2012 11:29 AM

Hehhehe no worries Thirty-Seven, I like corrections ;-)

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Sentry4 · 07-18-2012 11:43 AM

If it's worth anything, I've heard the Perma-Elude builds are popular because the person feels fast with capped run speed unsuppressed (and impressive jump).

It also somewhat fits the concept, of being able to go as fast as possible for 3 minutes (6 with burnout) but have a small crash after from all the energy used.

The crash can be annoying, and I understand if that's not what you'd like, but seeing a Perma-Elude build beside any of these, the Perma-Elude build will always be faster and more impressive.

All preferences aside, that's my suggestion for the closest possible character creation for concept. Primary wouldn't matter, although I'd probably pick something with a lot of AoE, like Spines (like Murdok's Perma-Elude Spine/SR) or SS on a brute (Triple rage anyone?), in order to kill everything fast as well, keeping intact with the speedster.

I might make one again actually, with all the new incarnate helping.

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Beelzy · 07-19-2012 05:34 AM

I was looking at this challenge and this is what I came up with:

Villain Plan by Mids' Villain Designer 1.959
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Level 50 Magic Stalker
Primary Power Set: Martial Arts
Secondary Power Set: Electric Armor
Power Pool: Speed
Power Pool: Fighting
Power Pool: Leadership
Power Pool: Leaping
Ancillary Pool: Weapon Mastery

Villain Profile:
Level 1: Storm Kick

(A) Superior Stalker's Guile - Accuracy/Damage
(9) Superior Stalker's Guile - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(11) Superior Stalker's Guile - Recharge/Chance to Hide
(11) Superior Stalker's Guile - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(13) Superior Stalker's Guile - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge

Level 1: Hide

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(3) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 2: Charged Armor

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(3) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(5) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(5) Reactive Armor - Endurance
(27) Steadfast Protection - Resistance/+Def 3%

Level 4: Conductive Shield

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(7) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(7) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(9) Reactive Armor - Endurance
(33) Gladiator's Armor - TP Protection +3% Def (All)

Level 6: Assassin's Blow

(A) Hecatomb - Damage/Recharge
(13) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Damage/Recharge
(15) Hecatomb - Accuracy/Recharge
(15) Hecatomb - Damage/Endurance
(17) Hecatomb - Chance of Damage(Negative)

Level 8: Focus Chi

(A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
(40) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff/Recharge

Level 10: Static Shield

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(17) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(19) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(19) Reactive Armor - Endurance

Level 12: Crippling Axe Kick

(A) Overwhelming Force - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(21) Overwhelming Force - Endurance/Recharge
(21) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(23) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage
(23) Overwhelming Force - Accuracy/Damage/Endurance

Level 14: Super Speed

(A) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 16: Grounded

(A) Aegis - Resistance
(25) Aegis - Resistance/Recharge
(25) Aegis - Psionic/Status Resistance

Level 18: Boxing

(A) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance
(40) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Recharge
(40) Kinetic Combat - Damage/Endurance/Recharge
(42) Kinetic Combat - Knockdown Bonus

Level 20: Lightning Reflexes

(A) Run Speed IO
(27) Run Speed IO

Level 22: Tough

(A) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance
(34) Reactive Armor - Resistance/Endurance/Recharge
(34) Reactive Armor - Resistance
(37) Reactive Armor - Endurance

Level 24: Weave

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge
(39) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 26: Maneuvers

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(31) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance
(33) Luck of the Gambler - Defense/Endurance/Recharge

Level 28: Energize

(A) Doctored Wounds - Endurance/Recharge
(29) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Recharge
(29) Doctored Wounds - Heal/Endurance/Recharge
(31) Doctored Wounds - Heal
(31) Doctored Wounds - Recharge

Level 30: Hasten

(A) Recharge Reduction IO
(34) Recharge Reduction IO

Level 32: Assault

(A) Endurance Reduction IO
(33) Endurance Reduction IO

Level 35: Power Sink

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(36) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(43) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
(50) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 38: Physical Perfection

(A) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod
(42) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Recharge
(42) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy/Recharge
(43) Efficacy Adaptor - Accuracy/Recharge
(43) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Accuracy
(45) Efficacy Adaptor - EndMod/Endurance

Level 41: Targeting Drone

(A) Rectified Reticle - To Hit Buff
(45) Rectified Reticle - Increased Perception

Level 44: Web Grenade

(A) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Recharge
(45) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Immobilize/Recharge
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Accuracy/Recharge
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Immobilize/Endurance
(46) Gravitational Anchor - Chance for Hold

Level 47: Power Surge

(A) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Recharge
(48) Basilisk's Gaze - Recharge/Hold
(48) Basilisk's Gaze - Endurance/Recharge/Hold
(50) Basilisk's Gaze - Accuracy/Endurance/Recharge/Hold

Level 49: Combat Jumping

(A) Luck of the Gambler - Recharge Speed
(50) Luck of the Gambler - Defense

Level 1: Assassination
Level 1: Brawl

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Dash

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Slide

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Quick

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Rush

(A) Empty

Level 1: Prestige Power Surge

(A) Empty

Level 1: Sprint

(A) Empty

Level 2: Rest

(A) Empty

Level 4: Ninja Run
Level 2: Swift

(A) Run Speed IO
(36) Run Speed IO

Level 2: Health

(A) Numina's Convalescence - +Regeneration/+Recovery
(37) Numina's Convalescence - Heal

Level 2: Hurdle

(A) Jumping IO

Level 2: Stamina

(A) Performance Shifter - Chance for +End
(37) Performance Shifter - EndMod

Level 50: Spiritual Core Paragon
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I don't know if it's what you're after, but I had fun making it.

_Arda_ · 07-20-2012 12:23 AM

Hey Beelzy,

It is a really nice build with good Defense values. I changed the Alpha slot to Agility, and turned Sprint on, the build gives 56 mph of in combat movement.

Thanks for your contribution!

@Arda

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_Arda_ · 07-20-2012 12:24 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Sentry4

If it's worth anything, I've heard the Perma-Elude builds are popular because the person feels fast with capped run speed unsuppressed (and impressive jump).

It also somewhat fits the concept, of being able to go as fast as possible for 3 minutes (6 with burnout) but have a small crash after from all the energy used.

I like this, mechanically and as a concept... one point more in favour of SR. All the SR builds posted earlier reach the Speed cap (92,5 mph) when Elude is active.

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Sentry4 · 07-20-2012 01:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by _Arda_

I like this, mechanically and as a concept... one point more in favour of SR. All the SR builds posted earlier reach the Speed cap (92,5 mph) when Elude is active.

Here's an older thread of mine, based off of Murdok's Spine/SR.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=267662

Here is his original thread.

http://boards.cityofheroes.com/showthread.php?t=256867

Here's a NW perma elude he posted as well

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That should give you a good idea of how to start on Perma Elude Builds.

They are honestly the most fun I've had in PvE.

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