Any Blasters with **/fire/fire tried this yet?
Wanting to try it in Bonfire on some of my doms. Ill give it a shot and report back
HOLY utter crap. Just did it..perma kb. Of course, the damage seems to be less..because most of teh time they are in mid air. But this is super crazy good. Much better than earthquake. I wonder if they will leave it.
Testing on bigger mobs..this is way OP.
how i view the kb proc in bonfire is basically ice slick + rain of fire lol
although it does better mitigation for slightly less dmg lol
very true. I was using a fire/earth/ice dom. So bonfire + sleet. i was just stacking BF and alt tabbing while mobs of 10 died
A lot less damage. Keep in mind how long Bonfire needs to do it's full salvo of damage. Will it be changed, though? Hard to say. Bonfire APP has such a long base cooldown.
Would I be surprised if it was? Not entirely.
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A lot less damage. Keep in mind how long Bonfire needs to do it's full salvo of damage. Will it be changed, though? Hard to say. Bonfire APP has such a long base cooldown.
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I think it should. Sure, bonfire was some decent damage...assuming you slot it for full damage, AND have a way to keep the target in the patch. Not so hard with some combos or sets but..Also, the damage was not that amazing.
I found it better as mitigation, mostly. Now though..compare it to the closest power..Earthquake. You get damage and perma kb.
i think ice slick is better kb than earthquake, but im finally glad they made a mostly niche power useful
im actually excited to roll a fire control/nature affinity when we get the set out
before bonfire was always that skippable power now its gonna be and almost must take, which means smoke is the one that is gonna be the skippable one
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A while back on controllers, bonfire was perma knockdown once you were fighting purples, due to the scaling kb-->kd. They changed it because with a Fire controller, your best control became bonfire. And the fad of those times was Fire/Kin. Do the math on that. I think they said it can only be slotted in powers that don't do damage, probably to rule out powers like bonfire.|
Originally Posted by Necrotech_Master
i think ice slick is better kb than earthquake, but im finally glad they made a mostly niche power useful
im actually excited to roll a fire control/nature affinity when we get the set out before bonfire was always that skippable power now its gonna be and almost must take, which means smoke is the one that is gonna be the skippable one |
EDIT: I guess it is only powers that do damage, not the other way around. I guess the bonfire thing may stay, but I still wouldn't count on that one.
I... can only think of very few powers that do KB and no Damage, and it would arguably be more absurd on some of those. And a lot less, you know, fun.
A CHANCE to change KB to KD would have been a less silly idea, but oh well.
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Yeah, I saw people posting about putting it in tornado and hurricane and stuff, that's where I figured I was wrong. In bonfire is just as absurd, It's how I leveled my fire/kin back in the day. I was on teams fighting +6 the entire time from almost 30 something to 50. I was the go-to guy and all I had to do was throw bonfire, speed boost, and fulcrum shift(when I got it).
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Originally Posted by Reppu
I... can only think of very few powers that do KB and no Damage, and it would arguably be more absurd on some of those. And a lot less, you know, fun.
A CHANCE to change KB to KD would have been a less silly idea, but oh well. |
Yeah I agree Reppu. If bonfire with the proc was say..50%? less? to do kd..then maybe. Or perhaps 50% kd, 50% kb..so it STILL can do what it used to do.
It seems like the bonfire/burn combo would also be a nice place to lay down rains and other aoes while they are ticking away....
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i think its possible they are gonna leave as is cause these enhancements are gonna become very scarce once the event is over because of how awesome they are
Yes but..since the event goes for..6 weeks? Can earn one IO (random) per day, per toon?? No way they are going to be THAT rare. I also heard the set is being released with teh 22nd ATO set..which would make it even less rare.
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A CHANCE to change KB to KD would have been a less silly idea, but oh well.
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Making it a random chance would probably be worse than nothing at all because you then can't rely on the power in any situation.
My first thought was to put it in Bonfire but when I looked at the damage I didn't think it was all that great anyway. I don't think it will be changed personally.
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I... can only think of very few powers that do KB and no Damage, and it would arguably be more absurd on some of those. And a lot less, you know, fun.
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Did take one of these and drop it into Bonfire on my Fire/Fire/Pyre. It's not really slotted out, it was just holding a recharge IO. So I dropped it in and voilà! 30 seconds of KD.
Now I actually have a reason to put the power in my power tray.
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I was curious if any Blasters have used the new KB>KD IO in APP Bonfire and dropped a Burn patch on top of it. Is it as amazing as I think it is?
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I'm torn. I want to put the summer event proc in Bonfire. But I also want to put it in Rise of the Phoenix.
Decisions, decisions.
Its gonna get nerfed I think..
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Its gonna get nerfed I think..
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But I think it is more likely that some of the powers it is overpowered in will be tweaked.
It's not a big deal in, say, Claws Shockwave. Entirely different story in Controller Bonfire.
I suspect they will tweak Bonfire before they nerf the IO, because it is the way Bonfire works that makes the IO overpowered, rather than the reverse.
A 50% chance for KB instead of the current 100% chance would be the most likely change I think.
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But I think it is more likely that some of the powers it is overpowered in will be tweaked.
... I suspect they will tweak Bonfire before they nerf the IO, because it is the way Bonfire works that makes the IO overpowered, rather than the reverse. A 50% chance for KB instead of the current 100% chance would be the most likely change I think. |
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I'd consider putting the proc in Bonfire, but there's no way I can scrape up enough enhancement slots on my Fire/Energy/Fire blaster to six-slot Bonfire for the full enhancement set.
Subtle disadvantages like this make me think the devs are way ahead of us all.
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I was curious if any Blasters have used the new KB>KD IO in APP Bonfire and dropped a Burn patch on top of it. Is it as amazing as I think it is?
Would love to hear any feedback on this...
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