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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
The term has been around for awhile...griefing.
Why? - emotional immaturity and/or instability - a desire to push the limits and attempt to disrupt - cociopathic behavior - boredom - amusement derived from other people's reactions Good luck in the quest to fix droning. Im not a fan of it either but if you have people here giving you easy fixes, then it seems that you could really spend the time contacting devs about a host of other serious PvP related issues. |
thats human nature, people will get upset over anything that they do not like, and in this case if a vase majority of people dont like something then it is the devs. job to fix it. the devs. have done things like this many times in the past, just because this is a really old issue doesnt mean it should never be changed. they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the players, like buffing stalkers, technicly there was no problem, but a high amount of people wanted it changed, it took them years to finally do this but they did it.
im not asking they fix pvp pre.i13, but just make this change so there can be more fun in the small pvp community and less arguements.
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i understand the devs dont care that much about pvp, but they have made small changes and tweaks to it despite the small pvp community. this is different from any person saying "hay fix pvp and make it balanced" becaue we all know its messed up and we all know the devs. wount be doing that, but what im ask is for a smaller change to pvp system, a minor change that will only make it better and less aggravating to everyone.
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Originally Posted by MrHassenpheffer
"Fixing" droners...
By "Fixing" you mean "Nerfing" The given attitude the devs have towards pvp and pvpers in general you would probably see changes made somewhere in between base updates and never. What might be more satisfying, however, Is just to give a typical pvp response to the situation at ever given turn. That will happen regardless. At every costume contest, grandiose public display of back patting, Cross media "advertisement" campaign, Gaming site, Etc... you and the collective of your alt accounts could just as easily flame the hell out of them with that ever so sharp pvp tongue and keen wit. You could say something elegant like, "Go foul up a pvp mechanic you base neglecting hybrid destroying over fed backwards walking donut eating hack" <--- I'm happy now? That would be more satisfying than spending months if not years of beating your head against a "brick wall" <also see: unified front> and just about as effective as asking nicely. ...just sayin' also: "and a buddy of mine" |
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
thats human nature, people will get upset over anything that they do not like, and in this case if a vase majority of people dont like something then it is the devs. job to fix it. the devs. have done things like this many times in the past, just because this is a really old issue doesnt mean it should never be changed. they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the players, like buffing stalkers, technicly there was no problem, but a high amount of people wanted it changed, it took them years to finally do this but they did it.
im not asking they fix pvp pre.i13, but just make this change so there can be more fun in the small pvp community and less arguements. |
"they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the **PvE** players"
All other points aside, whats so hard to understand that devs dont really give a **** about PvP? Why should they? Are you going to stop playing the game if the TP/droning tactic isnt "fixed"?
I dont know any devs personally, but it seems obvious enough.
If something like 1% (?) of the playerbase PvPs, why would the devs be motivated to work on an issue that "annoys" PvPers.
Just saying.
Good luck man.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
i understand the devs dont care that much about pvp, but they have made small changes and tweaks to it despite the small pvp community. this is different from any person saying "hay fix pvp and make it balanced" becaue we all know its messed up and we all know the devs. wount be doing that, but what im ask is for a smaller change to pvp system, a minor change that will only make it better and less aggravating to everyone.
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correction everyone you know...not everyone.
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did they not change hybrid holds today in pvp? if they truely didnt care about pvp they would have ignored everyones complaints about it and leave it as it is, so like i said before, even though the pvp community is small and even though the devs. dont put that much interest into pvp, doesnt mean that asking for this will automaticly be a flat out no, there is a chance if people stop saying "oh just give up, they wount do it" and ask for this minor change.
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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan
fixing one of your statements:
"they are always trying to improve the game to make it more enjoyable to the **PvE** players" All other points aside, whats so hard to understand that devs dont really give a **** about PvP? Why should they? Are you going to stop playing the game if the TP/droning tactic isnt "fixed"? I dont know any devs personally, but it seems obvious enough. If something like 1% (?) of the playerbase PvPs, why would the devs be motivated to work on an issue that "annoys" PvPers. Just saying. Good luck man. |
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correction, everyone except the troll droners
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Originally Posted by fur_nes
correction everyone you know...not everyone.
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The devs have said several times that they consider droning a valid tactic, just like they consider TP'ing into NPC's a valid tactic. They've said this not once, but many times, because people have complained about droning since day 1. So in this case, yes, the answer will most definitely be a flat out no.|
Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
doesnt mean that asking for this will automaticly be a flat out no
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The PvP system is so ridiculously broken, just about everything can be considered a problem. But this really isn't one. I'd much rather have them actually make PvP playable, instead of "fixing" droning.
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They didn't change control hybrids because people complained that its OP (even though it clearly was) People pointed out that it was not working as intended and therefore bugged. Therefore it clearly warranted a fix, the devs HAVE to fix bugs otherwise they will eventually not have much control of their own game. There is nothing wrong with droning if you're stupid enough to get droned as often as you clearly do then you have slightly bigger fish to fry.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
did they not change hybrid holds today in pvp? if they truely didnt care about pvp they would have ignored everyones complaints about it and leave it as it is, so like i said before, even though the pvp community is small and even though the devs. dont put that much interest into pvp, doesnt mean that asking for this will automaticly be a flat out no, there is a chance if people stop saying "oh just give up, they wount do it" and ask for this minor change.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
correction, everyone except the troll droners
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correction again - not everyone. Just your straw poll. Seem like myself and others have pointed out time and time again how it is a valid tactic, the devs have said it is a valid tatic but you resort to calling me a troll droner. Fine.
Oh P.S. if you stand still long enough a stalker will AS you. Me and my friends hate that, it ruins PVP, so we are petitioning to get the devs to change it so when you stand still a 50 foot destealth aura appears around you and interrupts any AS. It is an easy fix and would make PVP so much more fun.
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no, i understand were everyone else in this thread is coming from, you however tend to just be a dick about this, i try to give a valid explination on were im coming from and you simply insult my intelligence with the tone you continue to leave here, give a more grown up reply insted of a childish remark and i wount call you a troll.
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Originally Posted by fur_nes
correction again - not everyone. Just your straw poll. Seem like myself and others have pointed out time and time again how it is a valid tactic, the devs have said it is a valid tatic but you resort to calling me a troll droner. Fine.
Oh P.S. if you stand still long enough a stalker will AS you. Me and my friends hate that, it ruins PVP, so we are petitioning to get the devs to change it so when you stand still a 50 foot destealth aura appears around you and interrupts any AS. It is an easy fix and would make PVP so much more fun. |
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i said in this thread earlier that even though the devs. say one thing, in time they change their minds, with water blast the devs said there was no way they would ever be able to make water powers due to graphics, they also said that there would never be any power color customization because of how long it would take, but they are both here now, the devs. may say droning is a valid tactic, but it doesnt make it right and it is possible that in time and with enough responces that they could change there minds and remove tp droning from the game.
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Originally Posted by Supermax
The devs have said several times that they consider droning a valid tactic, just like they consider TP'ing into NPC's a valid tactic. They've said this not once, but many times, because people have complained about droning since day 1. So in this case, yes, the answer will most definitely be a flat out no.
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i play a dark melee/electric armor scrapper in pvp, i can never be teleported, infact droning was one of the main reasons i chose to have electric armor, but for everyone else who choose somthing else, they are stuck to be droned unless they choose 1 of the 2 other powers to protect them from it. the players arnt stupid for getting droned but just got close to the opposing factions base, this happenes constantly and more times then often i see the enemy team grow in numbers and push us back to our side without using a droner.|
Originally Posted by SoulTouch
They didn't change control hybrids because people complained that its OP (even though it clearly was) People pointed out that it was not working as intended and therefore bugged. Therefore it clearly warranted a fix, the devs HAVE to fix bugs otherwise they will eventually not have much control of their own game. There is nothing wrong with droning if you're stupid enough to get droned as often as you clearly do then you have slightly bigger fish to fry.
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even the +3 def/res tp protection IOs do not work well, even if they didnt want to make the changes that im suggesting then they could try working on those two IOs so it would work at all times, by doing that it can reduce tp droning drasticly.
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you start a thread crying about a valid pvp tactic and want it nefed, resort to calling people who disagree with you names and use foul language and I am the immature one....got it.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
no, i understand were everyone else in this thread is coming from, you however tend to just be a dick about this, i try to give a valid explination on were im coming from and you simply insult my intelligence with the tone you continue to leave here, give a more grown up reply insted of a childish remark and i wount call you a troll.
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i wasnt crying, i explained why it not good in pvp and how it can be changed for the better, you however simplified it as "oh cry moar plz" which is typical amungst trolls like youself, you can read the more mature responces i got from the other posters and how we handle our differences without getting on each others nerves, you just want to be rude because this thread goes against what you stand for in pvp which is troll droning.
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Originally Posted by fur_nes
you start a thread crying about a valid pvp tactic and want it nefed, resort to calling people who disagree with you names and use foul language and I am the immature one....got it.
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There is a fix to drones.. get out of range of them .. douuuuhhhhhh!!!
I remmember when vills frist enter zones in bb right after the zones droped.. we were waiting near the arachnos hospital and just killing people..
And stalkers use to just sit in the hero hospital and kill you when you respawn.
The drones are there for a reason.. just get out of range simple
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Lemme guess you were droned earlier and raged in broadcast about it. Got mad and came to vent on the forums? :P Just get the tp protection procs man and deal with it like everyone else. It's never going to get changed just don't stand so close to the base..it can be avoided.
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no its not the drones i have a problem with, its the people with no pvp skill or ability using a teleport power to exploit the drone and have the drone instantly kill someone. i agree that the drone should be in pvp zones to ensure no spawn killing, but not to be there to have a player teleport a foe to it.
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Originally Posted by IronAlex
There is a fix to drones.. get out of range of them .. douuuuhhhhhh!!!
I remmember when vills frist enter zones in bb right after the zones droped.. we were waiting near the arachnos hospital and just killing people.. And stalkers use to just sit in the hero hospital and kill you when you respawn. The drones are there for a reason.. just get out of range simple |
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once again, like i said in the very first post, my toon uses electric armor and is immune to any form of teleporting, this thread isnt me "raging" or "crying" its me seeing a ongoing problem in pvp zones and asking for a quick and easy fix that is infact possible to do if enough people will agree and ask for this change isnted of saying "oh give up its hopeless, its never going to happen."
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Originally Posted by Fatal_Mind
Lemme guess you were droned earlier and raged in broadcast about it. Got mad and came to vent on the forums? :P Just get the tp protection procs man and deal with it like everyone else. It's never going to get changed just don't stand so close to the base..it can be avoided.
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Threads like this are the only reason I keep checking in on the PvP forums. This thread is hilarious.
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Why would you make the assumption that a droner has no pvp skill or ability. I get droned all the tme when I am on the side that is overpowering the other side. It's my own fault I am too close. I get droned once I will switch sides..if I am teamed with friends and there is a large number camping once side, we will switch sides. I know people who build droners and are pretty good at pvp. They build them for the exact reason to combat base camping. I never actually got why people lose thier shixit over getting droned or why they think it ruins pvp.
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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart
no its not the drones i have a problem with, its the people with no pvp skill or ability using a teleport power to exploit the drone and have the drone instantly kill someone. i agree that the drone should be in pvp zones to ensure no spawn killing, but not to be there to have a player teleport a foe to it.
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Threads like this are the only reason I keep checking in on the PvP forums. This thread is hilarious.
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Although I've had to find a "Forum Troll to English" translator website to decipher some of what's being said. I suppose everyone should learn a foreign language in their spare time
PoisonHeart,
As soon as you can come up with a way to fix the issue of talentless gankers camping bases, THEN maybe we can talk about droning.
You're attempting to treat a symptom, not the disease.
This seldom, if ever, works. And worse, can exacerbate the problem.
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why? what is it about this thread that humors you? or are you just trying to be a jerk?
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Originally Posted by Antigonus
Threads like this are the only reason I keep checking in on the PvP forums. This thread is hilarious.
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yes base campers can be annoying at times but not as annoying as droners, campers is a mild problem that is in pretty much every online game out there, tp droning isnt.
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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike
PoisonHeart,
As soon as you can come up with a way to fix the issue of talentless gankers camping bases, THEN maybe we can talk about droning. You're attempting to treat a symptom, not the disease. This seldom, if ever, works. And worse, can exacerbate the problem. |
"Fixing" droners...
By "Fixing" you mean "Nerfing"
The given attitude the devs have towards pvp and pvpers in general you would probably see changes made somewhere in between base updates and never.
What might be more satisfying, however, Is just to give a typical pvp response to the situation at every given turn.
That will happen regardless.
At every costume contest, grandiose public display of back patting, Cross media "advertisement" campaign, Gaming site, Etc... you and the collective of your alt accounts could just as easily flame the hell out of them with that ever so sharp pvp tongue and keen wit.
You could say something elegant like, "Go foul up a pvp mechanic you base neglecting hybrid destroying over fed backwards walking donut eating hack" <--- I'm happy now?
That would be more satisfying than spending months if not years of beating your head against a "brick wall" <also see: unified front> and just about as effective as asking nicely.
...just sayin'
also: "and a buddy of mine"
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