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fixing droners

Antigonus

By Antigonus,
Posted on: 2012-06-24 09:47 in Everything about PvP

 

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Originally Posted by Jaso View Post
Why would you make the assumption that a droner has no pvp skill or ability. I get droned all the tme when I am on the side that is overpowering the other side. It's my own fault I am too close. I get droned once I will switch sides..if I am teamed with friends and there is a large number camping once side, we will switch sides. I know people who build droners and are pretty good at pvp. They build them for the exact reason to combat base camping. I never actually got why people lose thier shixit over getting droned or why they think it ruins pvp.
most of the droners ive seen in pvp zones never leave their base and refuse to 1v1, yet they will drone anyone they can see regardless if that person is with a team or just alone, and once that droner teleports you to the drone, that person will laugh and brag about it on broadcast. as for why people get upset, the answer should be obvious, because its a cheap and low way to kill off someone, they refuse to use actual pvp fighting and just use the cowards way out.

 

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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart View Post
yes base campers can be annoying at times but not as annoying as droners, campers is a mild problem that is in pretty much every online game out there, tp droning isnt.
Again, unless you have a good idea on how to fix the problem of base campers, I seriously doubt that the devs are going to remove a legitimate means of discouraging this tactic.

Does this mean that the practice may have a use that is less legitimate? Maybe. But, if you're close enough to a base to be droned, you deserve to be droned. Flat out.

Or are you going to try to ban dihydrogen monoxide instead of strychnine because more people die of causes involving dihydrogen monoxide than they do of strychnine poisoning?

You're bringing a qualitative "I feel, I dislike, etc" argument. But you're not making a quantitative one.

I have no problem with you expressing your opinion, but unless you have a solution that fixes the issue droning already ameliorates, you're basically ranting.


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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart View Post
most of the droners ive seen in pvp zones never leave their base and refuse to 1v1, yet they will drone anyone they can see regardless if that person is with a team or just alone, and once that droner teleports you to the drone, that person will laugh and brag about it on broadcast. as for why people get upset, the answer should be obvious, because its a cheap and low way to kill off someone, they refuse to use actual pvp fighting and just use the cowards way out.

Let's see. A heavily tweaked FOTM build with a couple billion invested vs an SO'ed to the gills MM.

In zone PVP.

And you expect them to...what? Go toe to toe?

They can contribute more to their side by ensuring the base area is clear for departure.


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Originally Posted by fur_nes View Post

p.s. Twixt was never banned despite people saying he was no one has ever been banned for droning unless it involved a maphole/exploit.
He said he left cause he was bored of PvP too and is actually a friend of mine on Facebook


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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
Again, unless you have a good idea on how to fix the problem of base campers, I seriously doubt that the devs are going to remove a legitimate means of discouraging this tactic.

Does this mean that the practice may have a use that is less legitimate? Maybe. But, if you're close enough to a base to be droned, you deserve to be droned. Flat out.

Or are you going to try to ban dihydrogen monoxide instead of strychnine because more people die of causes involving dihydrogen monoxide than they do of strychnine poisoning?

You're bringing a qualitative "I feel, I dislike, etc" argument. But you're not making a quantitative one.

I have no problem with you expressing your opinion, but unless you have a solution that fixes the issue droning already ameliorates, you're basically ranting.
there are alternatives to fixing campers, if the devs. did make this perimiter idea happen so there is no more tp droning, that does not mean that campers will be forever stuck on 1 side forever, you can grab more members from your sg, friends, etc. to help you combat any campers that may be in your base, and the opposing team will get bored just standing there and either leave on their own or switch sides. so there is your solution to fixing campers.

i said this before, this isnt just my own feelings, this is for everyone who hates tp droning, i was just the one who made a thread about it.

 

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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
Let's see. A heavily tweaked FOTM build with a couple billion invested vs an SO'ed to the gills MM.

In zone PVP.

And you expect them to...what? Go toe to toe?

They can contribute more to their side by ensuring the base area is clear for departure.
if your toon is not built for pvp or is not ready then that person should not even be in the pvp zone, thats common knowledge.

 

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The toon has about as much to do with the ability to pvp as the person who uses it. If you choose to view people who want to contribute to pvp even with an so'd toon that way, you should probably reflect on the simple solution to your problem.

Stop getting close to the base. It's really not hard to get an idea of where their droning distance is. Also as someone mentioned, you can always switch sides. That's probably the simplest solution.

You may be asking for this change on behalf of "everyone", but those people are probably about 10% of the zone pvpers; which, pvpers are probably 1% of the total game population. That's like wall street execs lobbying for better trading laws. Sure, that .1% population would love such a thing to happen, but it wouldn't effect the other 99.9%, and there's about a million other things that need to be addressed besides a side issue.

I highly recommend spending your time lobbying for a global pvp zone or a system of pvp that doesn't require billions of influence and hours of grinding and learning a completely different system to be viable. I'm assuming that the system itself has made infinitely more people quit than droners have. If we can get those changes, maybe we can actually cultivate a population that deserves attention. Only then will you get the change you want. Once again good luck.

 

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After 03 pages of back and forth with other PvPers, I just wanted to follow up by asking what the devs have told you at this point?
The dudes and dudettes here cant correct the issue you see as an issue or implement the changes youve suggested.

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I dig this concept:
"I highly recommend spending your time lobbying for a global pvp zone or a system of pvp that doesn't require billions of influence and hours of grinding and learning a completely different system to be viable. I'm assuming that the system itself has made infinitely more people quit than droners have. If we can get those changes, maybe we can actually cultivate a population that deserves attention."

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Originally Posted by CrazyJerseyan View Post
After 03 pages of back and forth with other PvPers, I just wanted to follow up by asking what the devs have told you at this point?
The dudes and dudettes here cant correct the issue you see as an issue or implement the changes youve suggested.

**Edit**
I dig this concept:
"I highly recommend spending your time lobbying for a global pvp zone or a system of pvp that doesn't require billions of influence and hours of grinding and learning a completely different system to be viable. I'm assuming that the system itself has made infinitely more people quit than droners have. If we can get those changes, maybe we can actually cultivate a population that deserves attention."
Oh that one is really easy - they revert all zones to no HD, no TS, remove all set bonuses and incarnate powers - make zone play pure standard ios and Hos, only with the exception of pvpios but make them bound to an account so they cannout be bought or sold so you can only win them by pvping.

 

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That's kind of what i was alluding to, but we already know thatll most likely never happen. Besides, its going to take a lot more than just those few things to balance zones. Those suggestions would go a long way towards gaining players from the pve croud. I honestly have nothing to say on the matter that hasn't already been said, pvp is something the devs dont want to touch

 

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Why is this thread even a thing? Everyone with a brain knows droning is the easiest tactic in the game to avoid.

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Originally Posted by macskull View Post
Why is this thread even a thing? Everyone with a brain knows droning is the easiest tactic in the game to avoid.
Probably because not everyone has a brain (or if they do, aren't using it).


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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart View Post
there are alternatives to fixing campers, if the devs. did make this perimiter idea happen so there is no more tp droning, that does not mean that campers will be forever stuck on 1 side forever, you can grab more members from your sg, friends, etc. to help you combat any campers that may be in your base, and the opposing team will get bored just standing there and either leave on their own or switch sides. so there is your solution to fixing campers.
It's really frickin' hard to attack someone who's killing you the second you spawn in, before your controls start responding. Inviting MORE people to try and spawn in achieves nothing.

The drones were put in there SPECIFICALLY because that sort of situation is untenable and less than ZERO fun.

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i said this before, this isnt just my own feelings, this is for everyone who hates tp droning, i was just the one who made a thread about it.
Speak for YOURSELF. Trying to ad populum gets you nowhere. Since you can't prove that it's more than just you who feels this way about it unless someone else comes in and agrees.

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if your toon is not built for pvp or is not ready then that person should not even be in the pvp zone, thats common knowledge.
Ah. Smells Like Teen Elitism.

So nobody should PVP unless they're willing to invest all their time and every last spare Inf to it and play YOUR way?

Nah. Not a big fan of the Fun Police Brigade.

Try again.


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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
It's really frickin' hard to attack someone who's killing you the second you spawn in, before your controls start responding. Inviting MORE people to try and spawn in achieves nothing.
actually it does, more people mean more targets and more people attack you thus causes the campers to move back

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=The drones were put in there SPECIFICALLY because that sort of situation is untenable and less than ZERO fun.
wrong, it was made there so that the opposing faction would not kill you the absolute moment you respawned and so opposing factions wount run around in each others base.


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=Speak for YOURSELF. Trying to ad populum gets you nowhere. Since you can't prove that it's more than just you who feels this way about it unless someone else comes in and agrees.
you can go to recluse victory and see the people get mad at the droners, dont take my word for it then, look for yourself. you can also see the very first person to reply to this thread agreed with me, you can also see in this thread other people saying they hate it as well but just dont believe a change will ever happen.

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=Ah. Smells Like Teen Elitism.

So nobody should PVP unless they're willing to invest all their time and every last spare Inf to it and play YOUR way?

Nah. Not a big fan of the Fun Police Brigade.

Try again.
thats not my way, its the games way, if you want to be slotted with SOs and no incarnated then dont expect to win any battles in pvp, thats just how the game is.

 

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Originally Posted by macskull View Post
Why is this thread even a thing? Everyone with a brain knows droning is the easiest tactic in the game to avoid.
no its not otherwise it wouldnt be a issue, but it is, its not so cut and dry to "pop a orange and get away from the base" when the opposing team will never leave their base, regardless to if tp droning got removed or not there will still be campers on both sides.

 

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Originally Posted by Hyperstrike View Post
Probably because not everyone has a brain (or if they do, aren't using it).
you want to play the troll card now? belittling what so many people have complained about in the past because you dont think this is a problem?

 

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so...question. If "they" don't leave the base how exactly are you pvping? Seems to me it is a tactic to get you droned. Sure pushing them back to the base I can see it, but really if the other side does not come out, why stand at their door? Is it no fun to be droned? YES! Is it no fun to be camped? YES!

Solution - don't camp base, won't get droned.

 

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Originally Posted by PoisonHeart View Post
you want to play the troll card now? belittling what so many people have complained about in the past because you dont think this is a problem?
He doesn't think it's a problem because it's not a problem. The methods to avoid it are numerous and simple. If your complaint with being droned is "the other team won't leave their base!" my retort is just as simple - back away from their base so they'll come out. If one side is droning the other side, it's probably a sign that the gameplay is so imbalanced that the side in their own base feels they have no other option. Better yet, if you're getting droned, switch sides and try to push them out of the base area. I have no issue with droning because it's a completely legitimate tactic that's incredibly easy to counter, yet it somehow manages to make people angry.

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Doctor it hurts when I raise my arm like this...don't raise your arm like that.

Your "need" for a fix to droning is so an American way of thinking. Please protect me from myself. Don't camp bases, don't be dumb enough to get baited into chasing droners.

 

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Isn't droning fixed in SC? you can't tp out or in...why can't that be applied to all the zones?

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