Statesman/Sister Psyche still under Game Info

So I noticed that under Game Info on the official site the Signature Heroes still list Statesman and Sister Psyche. I wondered if this was intended as portraying the status quo before their ... unfortunate demise, or if these pages would be updated? Perhaps they might background that oft overlooked hero of the Phalanx Citadel or Penny Yin who's image is splashed all over the forum now.

Does anyone know? If nobody does, what would you want?

I see no reason to remove the Statesman and Sister Psyche from history. The developers tried this with the 5th Column way back when and it backfired on them. Take 'em out of the here and now, sure. They're dead. But leave their history, backstory and impact alone.

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Originally Posted by Arcanaville Samuel_Tow is the only poster that makes me want to punch him in the head more often when I'm agreeing with him than when I'm disagreeing with him.

It's easy to agree with you Sam. The issue then would be the need for a rewrite of the text because as it stands it's written as if they are still alive and well. For example straight from line one of Statesman's bio, "Statesman is one of the first heroes of Paragon City." That 'is' should be a 'was', past tense.

Normally I'd be all for it because what you say makes sense. However, having seen the writing in the game, I worry what the "updates" might do to the character descriptions. Seriously, I touched two NPCs from I23 and ran into two redundancies back to back. Check out the Tunnel tech and that magician woman who sends you to Night Ward and read it word for word. You'll run into the department of redundancy department type stuff pretty soon.

And I honestly don't know if that's just the writers dropping the ball or the company's chronic editor deficiency talking, but I get cold chills every time old text is touched.

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Personally, I don't think Sister Psyche will stay dead.

If we were to have to predict the most likely outcome of this based on past behaviour then I think you'd be on the right track Sam with expecting it to remain as is, and inconsistent.

Of course as Vanden points out, there is the whole comic-book 'they were never really dead dead' angle. I believe this has kinda been denied by the developers (maybe), but even so Marvel and DC give us plenty of examples of denial followed by resurrection.

So if Statesman and Sister Psyche are both really dead dead then the unchanged Game Info bio's would be an example of the need for stronger editing and meshing of the in-game and out of game background info. If Vanden is onto something and the two Freedom Phalanx members will be back then there would be no need to change the Game Info in the relatively short interim period.

Plenty of room for theorising. Would there be any characters you'd want to see listed in their place if they are gone for good?

I don't think Statesman will come back. However, his are powers that have been passed from one individual to another, and Back Alley Brawler IS pretty severely outclassed by all the other signature heroes...

Sister Psyche returning makes sense. If her mind jumped to someone else's body when she died, she could return at any point and it could be plausible.

Statesman would be harder to not make it look like a Superman attention grab.

Wiping Statesman and Sister Psyche from Game Info would sound WAY too much like outright WIPING THEM FROM THE GAME LORE as in THEY NEVER EXISTED, which would be a BAD idea.

That said, there should be an update indicating that they are deceased and maybe information about Penelope Yin and BAB should be added.

(As an aside, who else thinks there really should be visible memorials to Statesman and/or Sister Psyche in the game?)

If i had to gues i'd say psyche mind jumped into your own character, and will later be brought back maybe in another SSA. I think the only two people around when she got axed was manticore and your character, unless she could mind jump across the whole city. I do hope they bring her back, would be a nice spin for an SSA.

But to the topic, it would be nice if the game info read in the past tense, but i imagine it's not on the top of the dev's list of things to do.

There seems to be some consensus that Statesman is dead-for-good with the return of Sister Psyche more plausible and acceptable if it did happen. As for the bio's, a few of us, myself included, see the need to have them at least rewritten and possibly replaced. Potentials for replacements include BaB's, Citadel, Penny Yin and Statesman II.

I like the idea of in-game statues of the fallen to commemorate them. There are plenty of places where a nondescript building could be replaced with a mighty memorial to Statesman or Sister Psyche. Atlas Park seems like it already has it's fair share of giant statues, where would we have our fitting reminder of States erected?

The problem with Sister Psyche returning with mind-riding again is that when she died, Wade took her powers, so she shouldn't have been able to do that.

Malaise shows back up...

and Sister Psyche is now one of the voices in his head!

I am coming back to COH due to my standard MMO flip-flopping, and I am trying to find the best way to actually learn about the death of Statesman, ie, how it actually happened and what not.

I can't find a strait up spoiler, so I was looking to find out in game, but I can't seem to find a place where it says "this here, this is the exact arc you do to see how his death went down".

I assume its the its the signature arc, but I can only see references to him disappearing.

Which exact mission/tf is it?