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The Battallion should be a red herring.

cursedsorcerer

By cursedsorcerer,
Posted on: 2012-06-04 16:46 in CoH and CoV General Discussions

 

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So I was thinking. The real "coming storm"? It's the inevitable Incarnate war that breaks out between the Dream Doctor and Prometheus fighting over who gets to stop the coming storm. That'd be great. Much more personal investment than a bunch of nameless aliens we've never seen before.

Just sayin'

 

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Not when they've been foreshadowed since i11. Although I hope they gut any and all references to 'the Well' that may or may not have been made since the original incarnation last seen in 2006.

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Not when they've been foreshadowed since i11.
Well, that's sort of my point. The Battallion themselves weren't mentioned until, like, what, i21? All we got back in i11 is that there was a "Coming Storm". It almost seems kind of anti-climactic to have a bunch of guys that haven't done much of anything suddenly show up and be the biggest threat ever. At the very least, there's no personal investment.

Praetoria was similarly kind of boring because we were up against C-Listers that we'd already beaten. Mot, on the other hand, kind of works, because it's been known that there are much bigger, much meaner nasties behind all the tiki idols the Banished Pantheon carry around. That's really the way to do a "bigger threat" villain, I think. Have them working behind the scenes, but definitely present. That's why the Promehenator and Doc work. We've had touches of rivalry going on considerably longer, and they're presences we've come to know, making them work better as villains.

And the next time around, we can have the next villains shadow over the current conflict, so there's less of a "okay, the old threat's over, here's a new one now". It makes the story much more engaging.

 

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Not when they've been foreshadowed since i11. Although I hope they gut any and all references to 'the Well' that may or may not have been made since the original incarnation last seen in 2006.

We still have at least four more incarnate powers to open and slot so I hate to tell you but I doubt the Well references are a thing of the past.

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I thought it already been conform that Mender Silos and Dream Doctor is going to fight it out and if Mender Silos use Rularuu to fight the The Battallion, he be the real storm.

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They could have the Battalion turn out to be green with horns and muscles. Yes, it turns out all along they were Trolls. Spacefaring Trolls.

And that would be the most epic troll in this game's history.



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Well, that's sort of my point. The Battallion themselves weren't mentioned until, like, what, i21?
The Batallion were mentioned by name long, long before then. At one point, it was suggested that we'd *need* IOs to be able to deal with them.

The Rikti have fought them, as well.

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Mot, on the other hand, kind of works, because it's been known that there are much bigger, much meaner nasties behind all the tiki idols the Banished Pantheon carry around. That's really the way to do a "bigger threat" villain, I think. Have them working behind the scenes, but definitely present. That's why the Promehenator and Doc work. We've had touches of rivalry going on considerably longer, and they're presences we've come to know, making them work better as villains.
Honestly, that's the progression I was hoping for for DA - dealing with the here and now pre-Incarnate, and post-incarnate dealing with the Pantheon themselves. God-level power for fighting... gods.

 

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Well, that's sort of my point. The Battallion themselves weren't mentioned until, like, what, i21? All we got back in i11 is that there was a "Coming Storm".
The first time I saw anything about The Battalion was back in a PC Gamer article where they were talking about how ED would let them add in crafting. I think it was a CoV preview article to be honest. They've been kicking around in the background of the game for quite a while.

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The first time I saw anything about The Battalion was back in a PC Gamer article where they were talking about how ED would let them add in crafting. I think it was a CoV preview article to be honest. They've been kicking around in the background of the game for quite a while.
They've never been more of a name, though, even then. Even if the Devs name-dropped the idea, that's not the same as being mentioned in game. I admit, that's on me for not being clear. But it doesn't change the fact that they effectively seem to have nothing to do with anything in the game's current form.

 

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The first time I saw anything about The Battalion was back in a PC Gamer article where they were talking about how ED would let them add in crafting. I think it was a CoV preview article to be honest. They've been kicking around in the background of the game for quite a while.
yeah, the original idea is you would need things/items provided by the (as it was then called) SSOoCSS (Super Secret Out of Combat Skills System). Note that was a incarnation of "crafting" that included things like investigation Inspirations.

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We're dealing with Rularuu as well if I recall correctly.

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The first time I saw anything about The Battalion was back in a PC Gamer article where they were talking about how ED would let them add in crafting. I think it was a CoV preview article to be honest. They've been kicking around in the background of the game for quite a while.
And now they've just bumped them up from neededing IOs to take them on to needing Incarnate powers to take them on.

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Why can it not be all 3? When Prometheus showed up it opened a can of worms to the possibility of a "War of the Ancients". Prometheus sees the Incarnates a repeat of ancient times to which he has seen and fell victim to the end results before, thus realizes humans with great power as that threat to which he hoped to avoid, but realizing that they are needed to battle the Well consuming Battalion he relents for now til the war with the aliens is over and will no doubt take steps to reclaim his flame and initiate his end game on the Incarnates if not humanity and avoid repercussions from Archangel Michael if not every Angel who is watching. Dream Doctor sees what will happen puts his plans in motion to stop both forces before in consumes all of reality. Desperate measures will be taken by him to make allies even with even the most feared ancient of em all, Ralaruu.

This all sets up to THE one big finale fight. Hey I can dream.

 

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Of course if we go through the entire incarnate arc without EVER talking to the one blatantly obvious ascended I'm gonna be disappointed.

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Interesting random thought: The Shivans are said to be the scouts for the Battalion, right? And according to Paragon Wiki, the Shivans destroyed two alien races known as the Arcosians and the Maaxigada'arzildilo. Now I wonder if... maybe they were ACTUALLY destroyed by the Battalion and I wonder if these lore bits are going to be fleshed out over the course of our war against the Battalion.

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http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Shivans

http://paragonwiki.com/wiki/Dillo

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They've never been more of a name, though, even then. Even if the Devs name-dropped the idea, that's not the same as being mentioned in game. I admit, that's on me for not being clear. But it doesn't change the fact that they effectively seem to have nothing to do with anything in the game's current form.
They're "in-game" in some files (souvenir) about the Rikti that you get during Serpent Drummer's missions. The last war the Rikti fought prior to attacking Earth, about a hundred years ago, was with the Battalion.

Which makes me think that the Rikti aren't from an alternate dimension, but are actually from an alternate future.

 

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Which makes me think that the Rikti aren't from an alternate dimension, but are actually from an alternate future.
It always seemed to be more an alternate dimension where the Battalion just got to Earth much sooner to me. Especially since, to the best of my knowledge, the Portal Corp. tech is strictly cross-dimensional travel.

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