Help me make a goddess
The real kicker is Praxis should, theoretically speaking, not need anything. As I mentioned before, she is a higher being that exists beyond the bounds and limits of our entire reality, and was powerful enough to damn near overwhelm the entire race of creatures which made everything. She doesn't need anything but to be free, and any people she corrupts along the way are just obstacles removed.
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I'd do Electric/Willpower/Pyre. The vitures of electric already spelled out. Fire is just destructive and chaotic. The powerset combo is a hodgepode of basically cosmic forces which is what you seem to be describing.
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I have to confess - my first idea was a Dark/Dark Brute. I know I don't have one, Dark powers are abstract enough to be godlike (but colour terribly) and they have a corrupting nature to them, with the various drains, debuffs and the fear effect. Sadly, I don't think Brutes have a Dark Epic, plus I don't like Dark Armour very much. It's a mixed bag of mostly single-target damage with relatively "weak" visual and audio effects. The new Dark Blast is kind of awesome, but that didn't carry over to old Dark Melee/Armour/Miasma/etc., which is unfortunate.
Then again, perhaps I should go with something less evil and more "abstract" as an incomprehensible cosmic being. I don't know... |
The important thing for me is that they cannot be omnipotent deities, and must be given actual goals, ambitions, and limitations to avoid being Mary Sues.
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That said, I really don't want to use existing deities. I generally don't like to use stories from myth or popular culture, but in this case that's twice as true because Praxis really isn't a "god" in the traditional sense. I treat her in those terms just because this is the closest concept to what I have in mind, but this thing is no god of legend. This is something else entirely that simply has, potentially, considerably above godlike power.
Besides, traditional gods come with a lot of baggage - worshippers, ritual, politics and suchforth. Praxis really isn't like that. If anything, she's more like a Lovcraftean horror, only prettier and SERIOUSLY limited in how much of her full power she can use. It pays to be "mysterious" to achieve that effect, and going off a known god - even if it's an obscure one - works against this.
Based on your earlier comment on using the "fireplace hat," I assume you have the Fire & Ice costume set? If so, I'd suggest a TW/regeneration brute using the elemental sword...nothing screams "power" like an unkillable avatar wielding a six foot tall pillar of seething, divine energy
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One would think this makes a good case for Masterminds, but thinking about it, most of those are weapon-based. Demons, as has been suggested numerous times, have that fire whip. Yeah, it's pretty cool and yeah, it's made of fire... But it's still a whip. I need something bare-handed at the very least. What this all makes a good case FOR, really, is Controllers and Dominators, but I want a character I actually want to PLAY, not just see looking pretty at character selection
It's already been mentioned, but Electric Melee with the colors tinted black may be exactly the sort of "Dark melee" you want, with the forks of the electric bolts resembling tiny tentacles. Electric Armor colored black may work for the same reason. You don't have to use both, of course, but either may actually be closer to what you're picturing than actual Dark powers.
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I know you "ruled it out" but, I think willpower might be a best secondary with electric melee. It is essentially her will keeping her avatar alive not needing anything or anybody else. Rise to the Challenge reflects the corrupting aspect (even if it is a minor aspect); Strength of Will reflects that extra push of power she can draw as you described upthread; Resurgence for that can't kill her aspect.
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Mind you, I see them as much the same thing CONCEPTUALLY, they don't play the same at all. And I don't see them as LITERALLY the same thing, but more so as two sets I can spin to the same ends, though in different ways.
Brutes should have the same dark APP has scrappers and tanks imo the Soul PPP for Tanks, Brutes and SOA is superior to the one scrappers get and the Dark APP for melee
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Technicalities aside, you're absolutely right - who gives a crap about Dark Mastery when I have Soul Mastery? That's better, and it has Soul Storm! I really like that, actually.
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As for the look, I once made a "revived" costume for my magic character for use when rezzed or using an Awaken. The costume was all white, and I used the white glow aura. It had a very god-like feel and was almost painful to look at, especially on dark maps. But it allows for a very simple costume with stunning impact.
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Sorry I put you through this, NT As I said, I need to have something workable for Praxis before I can even long in to chat in-game. But your costume idea isn't bad at all. I'll get on that when I have some spare time.
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Alright, looks like you have a more specific idea than just "god". I'd say it sounds something more like "deity." If that is the case, I guess there are differences between what you are looking for and what I've done before.
However, what are Praxis's motivations? Just to be a badass? Amusement?
On the gameplay side, I would go Electric/Willpower/Soul Brute. (electric has a "dark" setting that should look good if I remember right).
TW/Elec Optimization
However, what are Praxis's motivations? Just to be a badass? Amusement?
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The only thing that matters is Praxis wants to be free. WHY she wants to be free and WHAT she wants to do with this freedom, I don't know. I can't know - it's unknowable. And, really, it doesn't matter. If she gets free, we're screwed and nothing matters. As long as she stays imprisoned, then what she wants doesn't matter. It's the unknowable evil that's scary, and I like to be scared by my own characters occasionally
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I generally don't like to do this, but for Praxis, I'll make an exception. What are her motivations? We don't know. We can't know. I don't know, and I'm writing for her. I've found that when you start dealing with matters of above-cosmic levels of significance, trying to explain the rules or explain the motivations just serves to undermine the grandeur of it all. We're afraid of that which we don't understand and we respect that which simply works. To explain Praxis' motivations would be the equivalent of humanising her, and I don't want to do that.
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Not hating on Tenchi and I remember watching the series years back but...it's probably not the series I totally got into mainly because everything seemed so randomly resolved. The overall plot transcended everything, even itself and when it all came back to the characters it amounted to not actually doing anything. Whatever happened happened and the cast (besides Tsunami and Washu) couldn't do anything to the outcome...but then the outcome doesn't matter (remember?) and basically just rewinds to something else and we're back to just enjoying the cast. So why is that plot there?
I dunno...never finished all the Tenchis. Someone want to spoil it for me?
All in all, not being able to write for cosmic or transdimensional beings is partially the fault of the writer (because how can you expect someone who's lived for less than a century think like someone who's lived for eons?) but mainly the fault of the character. I mean, how dare you interfere with lowly mortals without a reason? And that reason should have a consequence even if the character doesn't suffer for it...someone else does. If not, then why does the story matter at all? With their amount of power, they can just rewind things and do them again or not.
It really gets hairy in my head trying to think of stories for such characters. That's probably why I leave those types to characters as NPCs and leave their influence in the hands of special empowered individuals under them or everything is their influence...they don't have to be shown lifting a finger to end or begin civilizations or galaxies. Lol, in my universe, the 'god(s)' are actually playing cards, wagering fates and outcomes on an impossibly complex game of chance...yeah, earth was created because someone screwed a bluff with a pair of threes or something I'm sure there's a trope for writing mundane tasks that have significant effects on the environment around them...
But anyway, off that tangent, I always think it best to figure *something* out soon as you're developing your universe...some sort of end or goal or problem to resolve. For mine, it's the very end that is ultimately being resolved...should the 'end' be utter destruction? A utopia or heaven? Throw your hand in and start it all again? Should there be good and bad, light and dark? In heaven, would you have free will/thought? Could you think freely in a utopia free of conflict, negative emotions and opposing extremes? Should karma enter the equation when starting over? Ultimately players that know of the end are attempting to write it in respect to their wishes, and even the god(s) are setting up the pieces to make this determination. That's the purpose of the story, to get to a conclusion and keep you entertained on the ride there. Not having the address to the destination isn't a problem but not having a destination is. You have to wonder why you're driving in the first place.
D_D,
You would be thirding demons/time.
Sam,
Since we are now getting to the point where you knew you were going to make a brute all along let me switch gears to mechanics. Lightning rod on a brute is a pseudopet with brute modifiers and no fury: translation is "low damage". The single target attacks are also low damage. I am not even a player who normally minds low damage. Ive played my share of low damage ice and earth controllers. But I shelved my elec/wp brute around level 40. Madenning.
I suggest either an electric melee stalker for the better damage, OR as someone else suggested, titan weapons/willpower brute with that cool 9 foot beam of quasi-flame energy.
Either way, enjoy!
Lewis
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Since we are now getting to the point where you knew you werd going to make a brute all along |
Besides being late to the thread, I doubt I'd have suggested an AT for that reason. Let him pick then we can tell him the good points of it.
As for the Elec brute being weak, that's what Gloom is for. It does wonders on lethal resistant foes on my Claws/EA/Soul brute but the redraw does kind of make it a 'only if the foe is resistant or you have nothing recharged' attack.
I haven't read the entire thread, but I think I caught the highlights of Sam's posts.
I keep coming back to Dark/Invuln on this character. I think it might be in retaliation to the high maintenance aspects of the /Regen inkling. This entity does not seem like it should need to actively monitor it's survivability, only occasionally augment it with yet more power. That's /Invuln to me.
The Dark Melee just feels right. It's the least "melee" of the melee to me (Elec is a very strong second).
But yeah. Invulnerable.
With their amount of power, they can just rewind things and do them again or not.
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I know what introducing an all-powerful being does to a story, because that's one of my favourite types of stories to both tell and hear. That means I know a lot of the pitfalls and trust me - I won't fall into them. At the end of the day, I still need someone I can tell a good story about, and that means the story can't be broken. Trust me, I can spot a broken story
Since we are now getting to the point where you knew you were going to make a brute all along
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Thinking about it now, I might have balked at a Stalker, as well, just because I'm still living in the past and feel like Stalkers are weaker than they really are. Kim proves just how awesome Stalkers can be, so my initial reaction might have been to resist, but I could have been convinced. I never gave Scrapper and Brute any real thought, and the reason I cited a Brute over a Scrapper is because I already have a Dark/Dark Scrapper in the 40s and because Inna - my previous god-powered alien - is a Brute.
I know you get the impression that I wanted to make a Brute and was just looking for an excuse, but the truth of the matter is I simply didn't want to make a Mastermind and that's all everyone suggested. That's why it came off like I'm going with my own thing. No-one that I recall suggested a Stalker or a Scrapper. I would have argued for those, because that's actually the big question - if I decide to go with melee, WHICH melee class? My breakdown of the ATs is still the same: Brutes are hard to kill first, Scrappers are dangerous first, Stalkers play dirty. You can make an argument for all three ATs, and there's nothing saying I won't change my mind and go with an Electric/Willpower Scrapper, instead. I don't have one of those. I have an Electric/Regen, though, but if I'm not making a Brute, then the need to use Regeneration is much less pronounced.
As I said, I most often work by a process of elimination. If I reject an offer, that's not a bad thing. Unless I say "yeah, I considered that already" - and I WILL if I have - then you're giving me a new idea I hadn't considered and me rejecting it is a GOOD thing. It narrows down the options and makes the choice easier. I don't know what I want to make, that's why I brought it to the forums in the first place. When I first came in here, what I had in the original post is quite literally the extent of what I had planned ahead of time. Yes, seriously.
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I keep coming back to Dark/Invuln on this character. I think it might be in retaliation to the high maintenance aspects of the /Regen inkling. This entity does not seem like it should need to actively monitor it's survivability, only occasionally augment it with yet more power. That's /Invuln to me.
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Hold the phone, that's something I want to think about. If this thing is godlike and so powerful, wouldn't it make sense it would be protected from everything? Granted, literally "everything" is impossible, but... How close CAN I get? That, ironically, is a very strong argument for Willpower - it protects from practically everything, including psychic attacks. Stone Armour notwithstanding, is there another set that's as comprehensive?
The Dark Melee just feels right. It's the least "melee" of the melee to me (Elec is a very strong second).
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That's not to say it's a bad set, of course. My Dark/Dark Scrapper just has a really crappy costume. Curse you, Enforcer! I thought you were so cool when you came out! Ahem... That's not to say Dark Melee is bad. Far from it. It's a solid set, and it doesn't look bad. I just really wish the effects coloured better and could be made denser and darker. If Dark Melee looked like Darkness Control, I'd make the set without a second thought, but I guess I'll have to armwrestle Tunnel Rat and Dink over it. Possibly at the same time.
Dark Melee is one of those sets that, while my logical brain says it's good, it works, it's appropriate, my irrational brain just says "But remember how much you hated it last time!" and I just wind up playing something else. "Last time" was also my first run of Admiral Stutter, so that might have something to do with it.
Holy tangent, Batman!
Long story short: Dark's not a bad idea, but I'd have to think about it.
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Willpower works almost synonymously with Invulnerability. I think Invulnerability can ultimately made a tad tougher, but I also know your reticence to dive to deeply into the IO set meta-game. Really that boils down to a matter of preference, and I could well have been projecting a personal desire to explore a DM/Invuln combination.
You do have a point about shadow maul, and to be honest I forgot about it. I never take it.
After that, for me, the in-your-face-ness of smite or shadow punch are completely overshadowed by the considerably more dramatic look and feel of siphon life, midnight grasp, and (if taken) gloom or dark blast. And there's still touch of fear, dark consumption, and soul drain.
Once you omit shadow maul, there's really only the first two punches that aren't pretty much completely mystical in nature as well as animation.
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I'm trying for a hard sell, just explaining why it doesn't feel very "melee" to me.
After that, for me, the in-your-face-ness of smite or shadow punch are completely overshadowed by the considerably more dramatic look and feel of siphon life, midnight grasp, and (if taken) gloom or dark blast. And there's still touch of fear, dark consumption, and soul drain.
Once you omit shadow maul, there's really only the first two punches that aren't pretty much completely mystical in nature as well as animation. |
Of course, that might also mean I'll want a secondary which doesn't require so many slots, and Willpower... Isn't one such secondary, regrettably. Regen is, though, from what I remember. Technicality may be in favour of it, though it does lack the psychic protection Willpower does... Even if healing should theoretically cover all damage types.
Again, I'm not sure which way to go, but I think Regeneration of Willpower is a good choice... Or Energy Aura? How about that? I haven't seen it brought up, but would that work, do you think? It certainly has the look down pat, though it lacks a "no pulse or fade" option for Energy Cloak. And it is kind of specific to energy more so than physical protection or elemental protection. And it does kind of have "psychic hole." I hadn't thought about it, though.
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I've always been comfortable picking cosmetically agnostic power sets and then using costume auras to "set a tone". Soul Mastery would just serve to augment such an effort in my opinion.
I know I should probably take this to the Costume Re-Design thread, and I probably will, but I still wanted to show you guys what I had in mind for appearance:
I couldn't quite go with NT's pure white look because I didn't want to go for white, and the Glow aura becomes too transparent in other colours. I must admit I'm not entirely happy, especially with the lack of AA in the costume editor. I wanted to have sort of a look of a celestial creature masquerading as a physical being, hence the mask and ornaments and the different body, but I fear the purple might be a tad tacky. I wanted actual, darker purple but if I do that, Fire and Ice doesn't glow, so hot pink is pretty much the only colour I could use that's not either very blue or very red.
I'm also not entirely happy with the skirt, but it was the only one that didn't really look like a skirt, and it was also the only way to add detail to the lower body. I'm quite happy with the yellow-and-white colour scheme, even if I've used it a tad much recently, but the purple still bugs me. I keep wondering if I can't go with just basic sleek tights instead of Fire and Ice and go with a pure black base. I kind of like the larger boots and gloves just because I like that kind of body shape, but I don't know...
Anyway, yeah, that's an initial ballpark of where I'm aiming. Not necessarily good, mind you, just where I got it today. I can conceivably get rid of the mask entirely and just use the Fire and Ice face, which is awesome, but I don't know.
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Yeah, how about a little something like this:
To me, this look a bit less pretentious and more like just... Darkness wearing ornaments.
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Again, I'm not sure which way to go, but I think Regeneration of Willpower is a good choice... Or Energy Aura? How about that? I haven't seen it brought up, but would that work, do you think? It certainly has the look down pat, though it lacks a "no pulse or fade" option for Energy Cloak. And it is kind of specific to energy more so than physical protection or elemental protection. And it does kind of have "psychic hole." I hadn't thought about it, though. |
When I first pulled out my old Claws/EA brute and started doing missions again, I thought they EFF'ed it up and took away my unsuppressed stealth, but as it turns out, it's just the translucence that suppresses...foes still don't notice me...which kind of feels dumb having a red and black wolf-guy slashing your buddies up right in front of you completely visible but not doing anything.
...in short, Energy Cloak makes you practically unseen when it's unsuppressed but completely seen when suppressed and it suppresses the instant a foe is caught in Entropic Aura.
Dunno if this helps, but I have two "goddess" characters, a street justice/shield brute and a titan weapons/willpower brute:
And I actually just created a third, a staff/invul scrapper named Divine Wish. Still working on that one though. (I'm more taken my my staff/ninjitsu stalker at the moment, the Eternal Sweeper, who I think is more like a maid to the dark gods than an actual goddess ^_^ ).
Anyway, for what it's worth, I don't think Street Justice per se is godlike but the character is very powerful and fun to play... just about any character that's really well built can be kind of godlike. Titan Weapons and Staff Fighting work a little better for the god concept to my mind though.
my lil RWZ Challenge vid
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Sam,
No worries man. Emotion is hard to convey and hard to read sometimes, in text. I wasnt put out, and I do the same thing when soliciting help. I was just trying to be funny / joke-y. Its all good, for sure.
Lewis
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I've got a Kinetic Melee/Energy Aura Stalker that I named Golden Blond whose powers are catalyzed by ... Gold. Amazingly enough, I had to do basically nothing to the power customizations to make everything about her "golden" in appearance. If you want to go Stalker, for the real "I don't need friends!" approach, I'd recommend KM/EA.
If you want to go with Electric Melee/Willpower/Soul Mastery (which sounds like a wicked combination) you can go either Scrapper or Stalker ... although I'd point out that Willpower won't "work" quite as well on a Stalker as it does on a Scrapper, due to the lower HP impacting Regeneration yield. Still, with EM/WP/Soul as a Stalker, you'd be able to open with Spring Attack, Lightning Rod and then use Assassin Strike from Hidden (which is just plain RUDE as an opening move chain). Taking Storm Elementals as your Lore Pet would then just play into all of that.
I think you should pick a set that actually makes a coherent string of words...like Robotic Storm Charge...or Kinetic Energy Soul...or Dark Psychic Mace...Why? Just because.
But also wanted to add, maybe you should just stick with Kim for now and patiently wait for news on the upcoming sets. One of those might be something that fits the character better. In the meantime, you can keep thinking about this new character!
I never feel rushed when it comes to creating character concepts. Eventually it will come and I'll feel all the more stoked when the character's realized thanks to more game additions like powers, costume pieces or content.
Hold the phone, that's something I want to think about. If this thing is godlike and so powerful, wouldn't it make sense it would be protected from everything? Granted, literally "everything" is impossible, but... How close CAN I get? That, ironically, is a very strong argument for Willpower - it protects from practically everything, including psychic attacks. Stone Armour notwithstanding, is there another set that's as comprehensive?
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Electric Armor is a possibility, but it also has a hole: toxic. But it does have some interesting advantages: it has a heal and practically unlimited endurance, and its not very slot heavy.
Another interesting possibility is Ninjitsu: it has positional defenses *and* toxic and psionic resistances, plus a heal. Its potentially a very strong set.
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The demons could be her bound versions of the gods she owns, and time gives you "reach around the walls" effects.
Bonus: if you're willing to get the Call to Arms, Expedient Reinforcement, Sovereign Right, Edict of the Master, and Command of the Mastermind unique Auras and stuff them in Hell on Earth you'll get a huge portion of the power given to an MM by an IO build for five slots worth of work (note also that the first four of these are available on the paragon market if you're into that).
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