Think you pretty much said it all..Sr or Ea. As you say, EA is less slot and power pick intensive, and the tier 9 is actually worth it, capping your hp with out slotting.
I also find SR to be rather boring...it just sits there. Not even any pretty colors like EA. Oh, and the click mez prot can be annoying too. Oh, but EA is cloaked..which ALSO can annoy some people.
Pretty much, the only difference is SR can get some psi proc, from positional defences, and theres a few new attacks going around in DA that have no type.
I think my EA scrapper is about 56ish mostly all round, WITHOUT manuvers and a +def alpha. Its a great set.
What MisterD said.
I think SD might be able to get up there, built right, but it would be an expensive build.
I think my shield scrappers at about 47 to all..to hit 56 I (you'd) would need to replace my hecta, aproc and posi set with ones that give a +def bonus, + stealth.
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Originally Posted by MisterD
Think you pretty much said it all..Sr or Ea. As you say, EA is less slot and power pick intensive, and the tier 9 is actually worth it, capping your hp with out slotting.
I also find SR to be rather boring...it just sits there. Not even any pretty colors like EA. Oh, and the click mez prot can be annoying too. Oh, but EA is cloaked..which ALSO can annoy some people. Pretty much, the only difference is SR can get some psi proc, from positional defences, and theres a few new attacks going around in DA that have no type. I think my EA scrapper is about 56ish mostly all round, WITHOUT manuvers and a +def alpha. Its a great set. |
My own Claws/SR sits around 47%, Nerve or I suspect Agility would push that to about 50%, Barrier adds at least another 5%. So 55% with only the Steadfast and Glad +3% procs (and 1.56% ranged from Eradicate) used to get to that original 47%. Would need to move stuff around/enhance slots different to use my attacks and maybe toggles/passives to gain about another 5% +def instead of the current +max health/+regen and maybe Red Fortunes/Serendipity instead of 3 or 4 LotG in my the toggles and 3 Serendipity in passives. No boosters used in the build either.
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Positional defense is much better than typed for incarnate content. EA honestly isn't all that good for incarnate content as having minimal resistance and a psi hole really hurts the set's performance in incarnate content. If you really want a pure defense based build Shield or SR will both be better than EA for incarnate content.
However for top performance in incarnate content you ideally want a resistance based set with a 45% softcap. The prevalancy of defense buffs will easily get you the last 14% you need for incarnate softcap and bump up the positions/types that you did not softcap. Actually having resistance for incarnate content is invaluable.
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You'd probably have to sacrifice Aid Self on an SR if you don't want to compromise on damage. Which is fine, because Destiny Rebirth is all the heal you need. SR's defense numbers won't really budge because of the super-high DDR but on EA, I had to take Destiny Ageless for the DDR.
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Originally Posted by Motley_Cruel
Also, I mean, which set has to sacrifice less to get there? So for example if SR has to give up more recharge or Aid Self, that would be worse
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SR will be easier to softcap but it won't be cheap. Currently my kat/SR only have weave from third pools to hit normal content softcap (I have 1 eradication set, 1 gaussian set, scapper ATO, glad armor proc and steadfast proc). My alpha is muscularate so it doesn't have effect on defense. If we account in combat jumping, maneuvre, alpha and a little more sets it will be easy to reach incarnate softcap for last %5 you can even use T4 barrier destiny since it also gives resist.
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That won't work in DA solo content though and I think DA mobs are far more dangerous than preatorians. Also I see rebirth: +regen works better than any resist you can get in incarnate trials and for DA content.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
However for top performance in incarnate content you ideally want a resistance based set with a 45% softcap. The prevalancy of defense buffs will easily get you the last 14% you need for incarnate softcap and bump up the positions/types that you did not softcap. Actually having resistance for incarnate content is invaluable.
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It works just fine. My SS/Elec brute has only 33-34% Defense to S/L and between Energize only having a 10 second downtime and Powersink to suck spawns dry, he can regularly solo through +1/x6 content. I'm going to try bumping it up to x7 or +2 this afternoon.
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Originally Posted by Kangstor
That won't work in DA solo content though and I think DA mobs are far more dangerous than preatorians. Also I see rebirth: +regen works better than any resist you can get in incarnate trials and for DA content.
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sr is easy as hell
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I do +4x8 on both DA and in both normal content with kat/SR scrapper.
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Originally Posted by Kazz
It works just fine. My SS/Elec brute has only 33-34% Defense to S/L and between Energize only having a 10 second downtime and Powersink to suck spawns dry, he can regularly solo through +1/x6 content. I'm going to try bumping it up to x7 or +2 this afternoon.
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I do +4x8 on both DA and in both normal content with kat/SR scrapper.
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I'm not trying to get into a "I can solo better than you!" contest. I'm just pointing out that your assertion about adding defense to Resistance-based sets "not working" is false. It works fine.
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Originally Posted by DreadShinobi
Positional defense is much better than typed for incarnate content. EA honestly isn't all that good for incarnate content as having minimal resistance and a psi hole really hurts the set's performance in incarnate content. If you really want a pure defense based build Shield or SR will both be better than EA for incarnate content.
However for top performance in incarnate content you ideally want a resistance based set with a 45% softcap. The prevalancy of defense buffs will easily get you the last 14% you need for incarnate softcap and bump up the positions/types that you did not softcap. Actually having resistance for incarnate content is invaluable. |
Though I will point out that while SR is a "purely defense set" it does have the scaling resistance of the passives against anything not toxic or psi. That scaling resistance is significant (especially in conjunction with Tough against S/L). It is also a bit like /Regen in that it is less effective against a large spike of damage (when relatively unhurt) but works very well against a constant 'chip chip' of small amounts of damage (as you get damaged). And if you are fighting large spawns either solo or in a team/league that small amount of damage is constantly occurring even on a soft cap character of any sort much less SR. It's also why I tend to burn through a steady stream of orange inspires particularly solo.
I really think these days with the prevalence of +def set bonuses and buffs SR's hallmark isn't so much defense as its DDR. Whatever defense I do have is pretty much immutable.
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I think DA mobs don't have the +14% to hit that the incarnate trial mobs have, so 45% is the soft cap for DA.
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Originally Posted by Kangstor
That won't work in DA solo content though and I think DA mobs are far more dangerous than preatorians. Also I see rebirth: +regen works better than any resist you can get in incarnate trials and for DA content.
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Quoted for truth. It's the one thing, outside of using Ageless, that SR can truly call its own, especially now after the Hami-O nerf prevents Shield from encroaching on its DDR territory (although it does get somewhat close).
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Originally Posted by Doomguide
I really think these days with the prevalence of +def set bonuses and buffs SR's hallmark isn't so much defense as its DDR. Whatever defense I do have is pretty much immutable.
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Actually they do. Check it out with the power analyzer. Although I should clarify that I only used the power analyzer on an in-mission mob, not a zone mob. I'd be surprised if there was a difference though.
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Originally Posted by Blasted_Man
I think DA mobs don't have the +14% to hit that the incarnate trial mobs have, so 45% is the soft cap for DA.
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Pretty sure the DO have it. This was a big issue on the i22 beta boards that the devs pretty much ignored.
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Originally Posted by Blasted_Man
I think DA mobs don't have the +14% to hit that the incarnate trial mobs have, so 45% is the soft cap for DA.
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For those that say its not cheap I'm running on soft cap which my Kat/sr and I'm very sure I didn't spend more than 100 million it was probably between 50-90 no purples ...I haven't been online in about 200 days though...so not sur ehow the market is but I made it with very easy to get enhancements and I'm running quite smoothly... Now onto incarnate for me
--Captain Myotis
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I didn't said softcapping SR is not cheap. I said softcapping SR for Incarnate softcap is not cheap since thread is all about incarnate softcap I didn't realise i need to point that out as well. You can softcap SR with only SO's for normal content.
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Originally Posted by Captain_Myotis
For those that say its not cheap I'm running on soft cap which my Kat/sr and I'm very sure I didn't spend more than 100 million it was probably between 50-90 no purples ...I haven't been online in about 200 days though...so not sur ehow the market is but I made it with very easy to get enhancements and I'm running quite smoothly... Now onto incarnate for me
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I have a Icapped Energy Aura stalker, I haven't had any problems whatsoever.
When something good happens to me, I can never enjoy it....
I am always too busy looking for the inevitable punchline...
BEHOLD THE POWER OF CHEESE!
If we're talking about being consistently softcapped (IE not relying on SATURATED energy drain or invincibility, etc.) which set is easiest to get Incarnate Softcapped?
I assume it comes down to SR and EA. My gut reaction is that EA is much less slot intensive to get to the ISC, due to sets like aegis, eradication, kinetic combat, and scrappers strike requiring only 3-4 slots while ToD, Mako, etc. take 5-6 generally. I also remember hearing people talking about SR being the easiest set to ISC, so I just would love to hear some arguments for both.
Also, how necessary is it to be FULLY softcapped? I.E. could SR get away with 59 Melee/Ranged, 45 AoE, and could EA get away with 59 Smashing/Lethal/Energy, 45 Fire/Cold/Neg?
Also, I mean, which set has to sacrifice less to get there? So for example if SR has to give up more recharge or Aid Self, that would be worse